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Africans are being sold at Libyan slave markets. Thanks, Hillary Clinton.

ReverendHellh0und said:
Just another day of the results of wars of choices. [/FONT][/COLOR]
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So now it's happening on Trump's watch. What's he doing about it? I thought he was going to make America great again.
 
Praxas said:
. Or do you think Gadhafi was a benevolent ruler?
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sadly they do. Conservatives have shown the ability to believe anything their conservative masters tell them. Just look at my sig. LoP seems to be confusing Gadhafi with Gandi.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
So then is hillary/obama to blame for the rise of the lybian slave trade?
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Until it can be shown that 'white' people are doing the selling we MUST NOT talk about a 'Lybian slave trade'. As we all by now have learnt ALL slavery is and has been perpetrated by 'white', people who are all equally guilty, not a bunch of Ayrabs. They (the 'white' sc ... er people, not the Ayrabs) must each pay at least $10,000,000 in reparations - of course not including Mrs Clinton and her spouse, who, in his day, was often called "the first black President" remember?
 
ataraxia said:
So now it's happening on Trump's watch. What's he doing about it? I thought he was going to make America great again.
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Did you think he had undertaken to make Lybia great again? (I think it may once have been great bout 3,000 years ago - or at least greatish).
 
Lursa said:
Obama didnt cause the destabilization of the ME...GWB did invading Iraq. There was no 'fixing' Iraq after that and no stopping that runaway train.
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What are you talking about? Obama was trying to overthrow the Government of Syria as planned out by whatever rulers gave GWB and Obama their same marching orders. Furthermore, ISIS grew significantly in size and power under the Obama's administration.



General Wesley Clark: Wars Were Planned - Seven Countries In Five Years
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So I came back to see him a few weeks later, and by that time we were bombing in Afghanistan. I said, "Are we still going to war with Iraq?" And he said, "Oh, it's worse than that." He reached over on his desk. He picked up a piece of paper. And he said, "I just got this down from upstairs" -- meaning the Secretary of Defense's office -- "today." And he said, "This is a memo that describes how we're going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran." I said, "Is it classified?" He said, "Yes, sir." I said, "Well, don't show it to me." And I saw him a year or so ago, and I said, "You remember that?" He said, "Sir, I didn't show you that memo! I didn't show it to you!"
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Iraq, Syria, and Libya were in the same plan. Complaining about Iraq but not complaining about Syria and Libya is hypocrisy.




And Obama is a thespian that learned how to stage act the ethnic Black-American role. That's right, an actor playing a Hollywood role. He was not reared around ethnic Black-Americans he spoke like a white guy. You can still hear it in his voice if one listens to him when he talks.

This is where he went to school.


Punahou School
Published on Dec 1, 2016
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That's year 2016. Last year. My white Catholic high school in Milwaukee had more Black-Americans in the mid 1980s (they had far more in 2016).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honolulu#Demographics
Honolulu (/ˌhɒnəˈluːluː/;[6] Hawaiian pronunciation: [honoˈlulu]) is the capital and largest city of the U.S. state of Hawaii.
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In terms of race and ethnicity, 54.8% were Asian, 17.9% were White, 1.5% were Black or African American
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With a population in year 2010 of 337,256 people, 1.5% of the population (ethnic Black-Americans)) would equal 5,058 ethnic Black-Americans. That is 5,000 probably dispersed over much of the city. In the the 1970s there likely even far fewer Black-Americans on Honolulu than that. My guess at least.

The difference between Obama (and Bush) and me is that I'll wage war if the righteous light of God calls for it. Say, on Equatorial Guinea, to oust the ruling family and corrupt leaders if the refuse to walk away. I'll bring in the Cubans to set up hospitals, I'll contract the Chinese to develop the infrastructure, I'll have the number of grade school children as advised by my mathematicians to be educated on some compound by Catholic nuns or Coptic Christians, then sent to college when of age, then handed keys to the Government after their education and whatever mentoring is needed. We'll run their oil business and under contract hand it fully over to the country, the people, in x number of years (approximately when those kids become adults and take over the Government). God help any man or country that gets in my way.

"If you're afraid of getting a rotten apple, don't go to the barrel, get it off the tree."

 
FastPace said:
What are you talking about? Obama was trying to overthrow the Government of Syria as planned out by whatever rulers gave GWB and Obama their same marching orders. Furthermore, ISIS grew significantly in size and power under the Obama's administration.
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That doesnt mean my post was wrong. GWB destabilized the region invading Iraq. You do know that Syria is in the ME, right? And that new terrorist cells grew in Iraq? And that, as I wrote, you cant stop a moving train quickly....Obama had no way to just stop terrorism in it's tracks. Good lord :roll:
 
Vern said:
well RH, real proof would start with why you blame Hillary. the fact you blame her for President Obama's decision only shows your obedient partisan agenda. I give President Obama all the credit. and sure Libya isn't perfect but its fairly stable. And its a f****g vacation resort compared to Iraq. Someday I'll find a conservative who can explain why he supported invading Iraq 100% and supports our helping the rebels in Libya 0%. You could be the first but I just don't think an honest and intelligent discussion of the facts is in your future.
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Maybe you are just ignorant of what the role of th SecState is.

https://www.state.gov/secretary/115194.htm


I don't support either wars, nor am I a conservative.


You fail on so many levels here.
 
Vern said:
wow, you must really be upset with Bush invading Iraq. Anyhoo, the good news is that we didn't break Libya. We helped an organized and well funded rebel army overthrow a murderous dictator. We learned after bush I encouraged people to "rise up" in Iraq that murderous dictators tend to try to prevent future rebellions. Why do you feel an emotional need to whine about doing the right thing?
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the iraq war was wrong. Keep trying....


We "helped and funded" radical islamic savages. you should all me the partisan again. wow.
 
ataraxia said:
So now it's happening on Trump's watch. What's he doing about it? I thought he was going to make America great again.
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Nothing. We need to disengage in all foreign conflicts and affairs of other nations unless attacked. I thought you guys were against military interventionism.
 
Vern said:
sadly they do. Conservatives have shown the ability to believe anything their conservative masters tell them. Just look at my sig. LoP seems to be confusing Gadhafi with Gandi.
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Gadhafi gave up his wmd and was in full compliance with all UN resolutions. Lybia while just another muslim ****hole, was far less a threat than almost every country in the ME.


in fact, it was a liberal's paradise:

"There was no electricity bills in Libya; electricity is free … for all its citizens.
• There was no interest on loans, banks in Libya are state-owned and loans given to all its citizens at 0% interest by law.
• If a Libyan is unable to find employment after graduation, the state would pay the average salary of the profession as if he or she is employed until employment is found.
• Should Libyans want to take up a farming career, they receive farm land, a house, equipment, seed and livestock to kick start their farms –this was all for free.
• Gaddafi carried out the world’s largest irrigation project, known as the Great Man-Made River project, to make water readily available throughout the desert country.
• A home was considered a human right in Libya. (In Qaddafi’s Green Book it states: “The house is a basic need of both the individual and the family, therefore it should not be owned by others.”)
• All newlyweds in Libya would receive 60,000 Dinar (US$ 50,000 ) by the government to buy their first apartment so to help start a family.
• A portion of Libyan oil sales is or was credited directly to the bank accounts of all Libyan citizens.
• A mother who gives birth to a child would receive US $5,000.
• When a Libyan buys a car, the government would subsidizes 50% of the price.
• The price of petrol in Libya was $0.14 per liter.
• For $ 0.15, a Libyan local could purchase 40 loaves of bread.
• Education and medical treatments was all free in Libya. Libya can boast one of the finest health care systems in the Arab and African World. All people have access to doctors, hospitals, clinics and medicines, completely free of charge.
• If Libyans cannot find the education or medical facilities they need in Libya, the government would fund them to go abroad for it – not only free but they get US $2,300/month accommodation and car allowance.
• 25% of Libyans have a university degree. Before Gaddafi only 25% of Libyans were literate. Today the figure is 87%.
• Libya had no external debt and its reserves amount to $150 billion – though much of this is now frozen globally."

Facts about Libya under Gaddafi that you probably did not know about ! - CNN iReport


Tell me again, what was the secstate and president at the time thinking would improve by diposing qadaffi?


as far as muslim savage dictators, he should have been very very low on our list in wars of choice.
 
Lursa said:
That doesnt mean my post was wrong. GWB destabilized the region invading Iraq. You do know that Syria is in the ME, right? And that new terrorist cells grew in Iraq? And that, as I wrote, you cant stop a moving train quickly....Obama had no way to just stop terrorism in it's tracks. Good lord :roll:
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Well, no. Syria is actually in the Near East. That is what it is and what it was always called until the permanently geographically challenged Yanks arrived on the scene and fawning Europeans copied them.

Moreover - a moving train can be stopped very quickly indeed by blowing up the rails immediately in front of the engine. This theory was tested to destruction by, inter alia, Lawrence of Arabia in - where else? - the Near East.
 
Sweden said:
Well, no. Syria is actually in the Near East. That is what it is and what it was always called until the permanently geographically challenged Yanks arrived on the scene and fawning Europeans copied them.

Moreover - a moving train can be stopped very quickly indeed by blowing up the rails immediately in front of the engine. This theory was tested to destruction by, inter alia, Lawrence of Arabia in - where else? - the Near East.
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Great....what would you have suggested Obama do to fix Iraq and the ME and NE immediately?

I was also using the phrase (I had used 'region') previously in a more ideological sense.
 
Video: testimony given on video by a high ranking General about decisions made before Obama was ever President: Syria and Libya were planned before Obama was elected. Ergo, Obama did not come up with this plan, rather he took marching orders from whoever ruled over him and Bush.




Lursa said:
That doesnt mean my post was wrong. GWB destabilized the region invading Iraq. You do know that Syria is in the ME, right? And that new terrorist cells grew in Iraq? And that, as I wrote, you cant stop a moving train quickly....Obama had no way to just stop terrorism in it's tracks. Good lord :roll:
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GWB did not destabilize the region no more than Obama did, in so far as both of them were puppets for whoever ruled the USA. The same ones now ruling over Trump.


As for ISIS... they were diminished in Iraq until Obama took office. That is not my opinion but comes from other sources. If one wishes to believe those sources. But more importantly, ISIS took over 1/2 of Syria at one point, Obama's administration was attempting to overthrow the Syrian Government of Assad. GWB invading Iraq did not "destabilize" Assad's Government per se nor the Government of Gaddafi. Trying to justify Obamas's administrations attacks on Syria and Libya as a result of GWB destabalizing the Middle East is just a political talking point that is nonsensical. I voted for Obama and GWB. I'm not going to dismiss the wrongs they committed and hold them less accountable than a 12 year-old shop lifting in a corner store. In fact, I will hold them to a higher standard of accountability. If you want to enjoy the prestige, privileges, and money of the office of the Presidency then accept the accountability too.

I ended up regretting voting for both of them. I stopped voting for awhile I got so fed up with American politics. I don't ask any leader to be a saint or to never make an error. But I do ask they just don't be corrupt, self interested, liars or pure puppets for American and European oligarchs.



 
Lursa said:
Great....what would you have suggested Obama do to fix Iraq and the ME and NE immediately?

I was also using the phrase (I had used 'region') previously in a more ideological sense.
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If President Obama had had the good sense to ask for my advice I would have told him that the Near East in general and Syria in particular was unfixable. And that he should confine his fixing activities to solvable problems such as that squeaky hinge on the door to the Rose Garden.
 
FastPace said:
GWB did not destabilize the region no more than Obama did, in so far as both of them were puppets for whoever ruled the USA. The same ones now ruling over Trump.
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:roll: This is why I dont read your ridiculously long and amazingly imaginative posts in general.
 
Sweden said:
If President Obama had had the good sense to ask for my advice I would have told him that the Near East in general and Syria in particular was unfixable. And that he should confine his fixing activities to solvable problems such as that squeaky hinge on the door to the Rose Garden.
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Well I'd have to agree, at least by the US in general. However the fact remains that Iraq inflamed things further and enabled the growth of ISIS which then was able to move into Syria. So we have accountability there IMO, even if, as you say, we really couldnt fix the damage done.
 
Lursa said:
Great....what would you have suggested Obama do to fix Iraq and the ME and NE immediately?

I was also using the phrase (I had used 'region') previously in a more ideological sense.
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It is not that he started the fire or could have fixed any of those things immediately. It is more that his referring to all the options on the table and the firmness of US lines in the sand paired witg some very poor calls cost losts of Syrian lives, close to lost us the Turks, gave Russia a foothold on Nato's South flank ect, while blowing lots of credibility. He did this job on us world wide.
Bur hey. Like with Trump, we put a populist neophyte in charge of something big he had no training for, reflexes poorly attuned to the requirements and no grasp of how international security. And we paid the price along with for example the Syrians. But that was our fault.
 
Lursa said:
:roll: This is why I dont read your ridiculously long and amazingly imaginative posts in general.
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No, it's because I speak like Jesus and you prefer liars. And spare me the BS Jesus should have had a better personality or he just didn't speak in a nice, loving, Democratic Party way in which all humans would have embraced him. He didn't stage act like Obama or GWB and spoke blatant truth and therefore he enraged the American Democrats and Republicans of his time. Period.

It was not I but a Democrat, a US military General retired, who is on video stating Libya (which this thread is about) was already planned to be toppled by the US Government before Iraq was ever invaded by GWB or Obama ever ran for the US Presidency. That was not my "imagination." That begs the question who runs the country?



General Wesley Clark: Wars Were Planned - Seven Countries In Five Years


So I came back to see him a few weeks later, and by that time we were bombing in Afghanistan. I said, "Are we still going to war with Iraq?" And he said, "Oh, it's worse than that." He reached over on his desk. He picked up a piece of paper. And he said, "I just got this down from upstairs" -- meaning the Secretary of Defense's office -- "today." And he said, "This is a memo that describes how we're going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran." I said, "Is it classified?" He said, "Yes, sir." I said, "Well, don't show it to me." And I saw him a year or so ago, and I said, "You remember that?" He said, "Sir, I didn't show you that memo! I didn't show it to you!"
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This thread is about Libya.

Iraq, Libya, Syria were all in the same plan. If it was GWB's plan... then how did Obama attack Libya and try to topple Assad? Damn Assad had nothing to do with Iraq being in disorder.

If you can't accept that then you're as bad as GWB. Period.





Obama was a stage actor playing a Hollywood role as someone reared Black-American... but in reality he was raised speaking like a white kid and never grew up ethnically Black-American.

I never heard Obama challenge French de facto colonial rule of Africa. A white Republican did. It's damn pathetic when a black President (in reality he was mulatto and not even ethnically Black-American) won't rise to be like a Wilberforce but a white Republican will. Obama was a Wilberforce for LGBTQ and feminist, if we cut through all the BS, he is a homo-feminist who likely was on the Down Low with his black gay friend in Chicago who was murdered.



French Colonialism Must End

Senator Jim Inhofe
Published on Apr 12, 2011

Quotes:

"I am thankful that both the President and First Lady are still alive but brutally mutilated. I condemn, however, the use of so-called "peacekeeping" forces made up of UN and French forces in the attacks on Abidjan and the presidential palace. It is these forces that have caused countless deaths in this densely populated city of four million people."
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ReverendHellh0und said:
Gadhafi gave up his wmd and was in full compliance with all UN resolutions. Lybia while just another muslim ****hole, was far less a threat than almost every country in the ME.

in fact, it was a liberal's paradise:

"There was no electricity bills in Libya; electricity is free … for all its citizens.
• There was no interest on loans, banks in Libya are state-owned and loans given to all its citizens at 0% interest by law.
• If a Libyan is unable to find employment after graduation, the state would pay the average salary of the profession as if he or she is employed until employment is found.
• Should Libyans want to take up a farming career, they receive farm land, a house, equipment, seed and livestock to kick start their farms –this was all for free.
• Gaddafi carried out the world’s largest irrigation project, known as the Great Man-Made River project, to make water readily available throughout the desert country.
• A home was considered a human right in Libya. (In Qaddafi’s Green Book it states: “The house is a basic need of both the individual and the family, therefore it should not be owned by others.”)
• All newlyweds in Libya would receive 60,000 Dinar (US$ 50,000 ) by the government to buy their first apartment so to help start a family.
• A portion of Libyan oil sales is or was credited directly to the bank accounts of all Libyan citizens.
• A mother who gives birth to a child would receive US $5,000.
• When a Libyan buys a car, the government would subsidizes 50% of the price.
• The price of petrol in Libya was $0.14 per liter.
• For $ 0.15, a Libyan local could purchase 40 loaves of bread.
• Education and medical treatments was all free in Libya. Libya can boast one of the finest health care systems in the Arab and African World. All people have access to doctors, hospitals, clinics and medicines, completely free of charge.
• If Libyans cannot find the education or medical facilities they need in Libya, the government would fund them to go abroad for it – not only free but they get US $2,300/month accommodation and car allowance.
• 25% of Libyans have a university degree. Before Gaddafi only 25% of Libyans were literate. Today the figure is 87%.
• Libya had no external debt and its reserves amount to $150 billion – though much of this is now frozen globally."

Facts about Libya under Gaddafi that you probably did not know about ! - CNN iReport


Tell me again, what was the secstate and president at the time thinking would improve by diposing qadaffi?


as far as muslim savage dictators, he should have been very very low on our list in wars of choice.
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I see you're upset that a murderous dictator was overthrown. You must have been really upset when we invaded Iraq. He too met your level of acceptable murderous dictator. Did castro make your list? He too seems to have provided for his people. And he didn't seem to need to kill thousands of people. Anyhoo, we broke Iraq. We didn't break Libya. We helped an organized and well funded rebellion overthrow a murderous dictator. We also saved lives in Libya. We learned after Bush I encouraged a rebellion in Iraq that murderous dictators try to "encourage" people to not try it again.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
the iraq war was wrong. Keep trying....

We "helped and funded" radical islamic savages. you should all me the partisan again. wow.
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well you are here pushing two conservative narratives so its doesn't seem like a stretch to call you a conservative. I'm sorry we helped an organized and well funded rebellion overthrow your favorite murderous dictator.
 
Lursa said:
Oh, and this:
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Thank you for admitting the reason you don't like me pointing out Obama and Hillary were culpable in the evil of having an African leader lynched is because I speak like Jesus (which by I mean I don't play politics nor protect and defend and justify powerful people carrying out evil, but then hammer the teenage transsexual prostitute on the street with jail and morally preaching to her.)


I believe you are a homo-feminist, hell bent on positioning females (like Hillary) and homosexuals in power, even if it means maintaining blacks at the bottom. Ergo, I told black liberals not to get suckered into the COINTELPRO divide and conquer, to worry about their own people and Africa, and not the damned white Ukraine or every homo-feminist battle on a hill. But no... white supremacy has so total a grip on their brains they run around singing every hillbilly song Democrats and Republicans have.






I speak like Jesus, so, I'm stating flatly Hillary and Obama were complicit in French White Supremacy in Libya. Point blank. And they bear some responsibility for vulnerable blacks now being auctioned off in slavery. You homo-feminist won't die on hills for Black-Americans or Africa but you want Black-Americans to die the battle ground hills you all have decided to fight on--including a corrupt a__ white Ukraine.

So, how does COINTELPRO work on Black-Americans? It's not rocket science. In large part they target some blacks to become hardcore anti-Christians and pro-homo-feminists. They target others to reject black Muslims. Others to reject black Catholics. And so on and so on. I mean... with all the problems in the Black-American community, or in black Africa, why the hell would you bicker and then divide over someone being faithful to their Protestant Black Church orthodox teachings on sexuality? Ridiculous.

I'm mulatto. Family lines from Germany. My Germanic side I can hazard a guess would always put Europe before Africa. Then why the hell are black people so stupid to keep putting Europe before Africa? More a disgrace is we have to have a damn white Republican speaking like a Wilberforce on behalf of black Africa being exploited by the white French. If he knew it was going on did Obama? Where were you speaking up Obama? Yeah, I know, rehearsing your stage character role too much.





https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/12659

CONFIDENTIAL

April 2, 2011

For: Hillary

From: Sid

Re: France's client & Qaddafi's gold

Sarkozy's decision to commit France to the attack on Libya. According to these individuals Sarkozy's plans are driven by the following issues:

a.A desire to gain a greater share of Libya oil production,

b. Increase French influence in North Africa,

c.Improve his internal political situation in France,

d. Provide the French military with an opportunity to reassert its position in the world,

e.Address the concern of his advisors over Qaddafi's long term plans to supplant France as the dominant power in,Francophone Africa. )
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Senator Jim Inhofe
Published on Apr 12, 2011

Quotes:

"I am thankful that both the President and First Lady are still alive but brutally mutilated. I condemn, however, the use of so-called "peacekeeping" forces made up of UN and French forces in the attacks on Abidjan and the presidential palace. It is these forces that have caused countless deaths in this densely populated city of four million people."
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Vern said:
The decision was President Obama's and I give him all the credit. Please show me the posts where you complained about Bush lying us into Iraq. thanks in advance.
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there is a search feature. godspeed!
 
Vern said:
I see you're upset that a murderous dictator was overthrown. You must have been really upset when we invaded Iraq. He too met your level of acceptable murderous dictator. Did castro make your list? He too seems to have provided for his people. And he didn't seem to need to kill thousands of people. Anyhoo, we broke Iraq. We didn't break Libya. We helped an organized and well funded rebellion overthrow a murderous dictator. We also saved lives in Libya. We learned after Bush I encouraged a rebellion in Iraq that murderous dictators try to "encourage" people to not try it again.
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you chicken hawks are all the same.


1. the murderous dictator was far less brutal than what's there now.

2. castro was a scumbag like qadaffi, I don't support going to war in either place.

3. you alt-left types are funny, you praise cuba's healthcare, etc, who are you fooling?

4. how can you say "we did not break lybia"?

5. Help organize and fund? So we just discount the missiles and drones, bombings we did there? those don't count?

6. the rebels also known by names such as "muslim brotherhood", and "isis"?



I've never claimed qadaffi was a good guy. What I am arguing is your propagandist view of the war of choice you supported because the "D" next to the chickenhawks.
 
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