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The GOP Tax Plan Would Make It Harder for Workers to Get New Skills

Rogue Valley

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The GOP Tax Plan Would Make It Harder for Workers to Get New Skills

How can workers adapt to a constantly changing labor market and the oncoming threat of automation? One of the suggestions researchers and policymakers have is to go back to school and acquire new skills. But the latest Republican tax plan, which passed in the House, would make it more difficult for many of these workers to tap into precisely the types of education and training they have been told they need.

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True to form, the GOP didn't take the time to think their tax reform bills through very well.
 
Rogue Valley said:
True to form, the GOP didn't take the time to think their tax reform bills through very well.
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Oh they thought it out.

Anyone who's been paying attention can see the GOP has declared war on the Middle Class and the Working man for DECADES now. And what's worse is the clueless Republican voter didn't see it when it 1st started and they still don't see it. They think Trump is a 'populist', and an 'anti-elitist', and 'anti-establishment', and he's draining the swamp? lol

He's in lock-step with the establishment Republican agenda of kissing up to the Corps and donor class. Hell, he may even be worse.
 
Rogue Valley said:
The GOP Tax Plan Would Make It Harder for Workers to Get New Skills



True to form, the GOP didn't take the time to think their tax reform bills through very well.
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Why should the federal government be in the business of providing tax incentives for skill training?

If workers find it advantageous to retrain, they should pony up the cost of that retraining. After all, it's to their own personal benefit. If employers find it advantageous to retrain their employees, they should pony up the cost of that retraining. After all, it's to their benefit.

I think it's time for the government to get out of the business of being a sugar daddy and get into the business of getting out of people's way. Removing government spending, removing targeted loopholes and reducing taxes across the board it preferable to more spending, more controlling and more taxes.
 
Are they still trying to gut the Appalachian something something that is directed to creating new businesses development and education in coal country? I remember the WH was going to cut it and McConnell said no freakin way.
 
Mycroft said:
Why should the federal government be in the business of providing tax incentives for skill training?

If workers find it advantageous to retrain, they should pony up the cost of that retraining. After all, it's to their own personal benefit. If employers find it advantageous to retrain their employees, they should pony up the cost of that retraining. After all, it's to their benefit.

I think it's time for the government to get out of the business of being a sugar daddy and get into the business of getting out of people's way. Removing government spending, removing targeted loopholes and reducing taxes across the board it preferable to more spending, more controlling and more taxes.
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Or they could just move the factory overseas or to Mexico for a cheaper and/or higher skilled workforce. Whichever is easier.
 
trblmkr said:
Or they could just move the factory overseas or to Mexico for a cheaper and/or higher skilled workforce. Whichever is easier.
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Regardless what the Congressional Elites end up doing, the tax policy that Trump wants would discourage that from happening.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
Oh they thought it out.

Anyone who's been paying attention can see the GOP has declared war on the Middle Class and the Working man for DECADES now. And what's worse is the clueless Republican voter didn't see it when it 1st started and they still don't see it. They think Trump is a 'populist', and an 'anti-elitist', and 'anti-establishment', and he's draining the swamp? lol

He's in lock-step with the establishment Republican agenda of kissing up to the Corps and donor class. Hell, he may even be worse.
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Trump is in the process, with the GOP, of cutting the biggest deal of his lifetime: Tax Reform (sic)

The moment he signs his signature to the deal, he walks away with a little over $1B! (estimated)
 
Mycroft said:
Why should the federal government be in the business of providing tax incentives for skill training?

If workers find it advantageous to retrain, they should pony up the cost of that retraining. After all, it's to their own personal benefit. If employers find it advantageous to retrain their employees, they should pony up the cost of that retraining. After all, it's to their benefit.

I think it's time for the government to get out of the business of being a sugar daddy and get into the business of getting out of people's way. Removing government spending, removing targeted loopholes and reducing taxes across the board it preferable to more spending, more controlling and more taxes.
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Once you have government "out of the way", no one will stand between you and monopolistic predation.

Free markets only work when highly regulated, and they don't fulfill societal goals without further regulation.
 
Mycroft said:
If workers find it advantageous to retrain, they should pony up the cost of that retraining.
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And how exactly can blue collar workers afford such tuition's when they are unemployed?

Replaced by a robot purchased by Trumps corporate-welfare tax-cuts.
 
Chomsky said:
Once you have government "out of the way", no one will stand between you and monopolistic predation.

Free markets only work when highly regulated, and they don't fulfill societal goals without further regulation.
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It is not up to the government to decide "societal goals".
 
Mycroft said:
It is not up to the government to decide "societal goals".
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Of course not. It doesn't. Where'd you get that idea?

That's for those citizens making up the society, to decide.

But society does use government to do many of the things that individuals can't do on their own individually. That is the point.
 
Mycroft said:
Why should the federal government be in the business of providing tax incentives for skill training?

If workers find it advantageous to retrain, they should pony up the cost of that retraining. After all, it's to their own personal benefit. If employers find it advantageous to retrain their employees, they should pony up the cost of that retraining. After all, it's to their benefit.

I think it's time for the government to get out of the business of being a sugar daddy and get into the business of getting out of people's way. Removing government spending, removing targeted loopholes and reducing taxes across the board it preferable to more spending, more controlling and more taxes.
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Because your competitors are?

How do you think China eclipsed the US in productivity in under two decades?

As it stands now, the US is suffering a "brain drain", those highly paid "bright collar workers", a story out of Seattle last month documented the IT workers who have left for other pastures. Applications for Canadian Visas from the US have more than doubled, and the vast majority are "ethnic" and/or Muslim. In our much American-damned intake of Syrian refugees, Canada accepted a load of technicians, doctors, etc.

Instead of opening your borders to higher educated immigrants, you are closing them, or just enough for anyone not pure white to think twice.
So, if you want to fill the growing void of high tech workers you either have to import them, train them, or both. Which is what your neighbors are doing. Both. And yes, you want to upgrade technical skills here you will find both the federal and provincial governments VERY generous.
While you think of us as "foreign" we are actually head to head competitors. That's why your, failing aerospace industry has to concoct a 300% tariff on an airplane whose technology you don't even have, let alone be competitive.
That's fine, China places an order for a bunch of them.
Having said that, I support your attitude 150%. No, the US government should NOT pay anyone $ to educate themselves to stay competitive in a rapidly changing market.
 
Chomsky said:
Of course not. It doesn't. Where'd you get that idea?

That's for those citizens making up the society, to decide.

But society does use government to do many of the things that individuals can't do on their own individually. That is the point.
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Well, of course SOME people in society are inclined to use government to do things that individuals don't WANT to do. That seems to be the kind of thing you want.
 
Chomsky said:
Of course not. It doesn't. Where'd you get that idea?

That's for those citizens making up the society, to decide.

But society does use government to do many of the things that individuals can't do on their own individually. That is the point.
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Like bailing out Wall Street while thousands lost their homes. If you're poor, there's a hand out, if you're rich there's tax loop holes, so who's left to pay the bills?
 
Mycroft said:
Well, of course SOME people in society are inclined to use government to do things that individuals don't WANT to do. That seems to be the kind of thing you want.
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You don't want interstate highways?

Regulated securities markets?

A national aviation system?

USDA or FDA?

Yeah I suspect I want more than you, but you should think harder before committing to paper - electronic or otherwise.
 
Fearandloathing said:
Like bailing out Wall Street while thousands lost their homes. If you're poor, there's a hand out, if you're rich there's tax loop holes, so who's left to pay the bills?
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That's an example of government going directly against society's wishes. And yes, there's many more. But that doesn't mean you throw the baby out with the bathwater, as I suspect the other poster would like to do.
 
Rogue Valley said:
And how exactly can blue collar workers afford such tuition's when they are unemployed?

Replaced by a robot purchased by Trumps corporate-welfare tax-cuts.
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They take an overseas job in China or Japan!
 
Chomsky said:
You don't want interstate highways?

Regulated securities markets?

A national aviation system?

USDA or FDA?

Yeah I suspect I want more than you, but you should think harder before committing to paper - electronic or otherwise.
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I don't mind most of those things, but how they are used can be affected by the agenda behind the users. Take the EPA, for example. Environmental protection is a good thing, but we saw the damage that can be done by an administration that won't hesitate to destroy an industry because of their agenda. THAT is the "societal goals" kind of thing that I don't want the government to engage in.
 
Chomsky said:
That's an example of government going directly against society's wishes. And yes, there's many more. But that doesn't mean you throw the baby out with the bathwater, as I suspect the other poster would like to do.
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I suggest that "throwing the baby out with the bathwater" is the primary platform of Trump and his cronies. 150 years of peaceful relations and a shared economy is being thrown to the dogs; they are convinced that despite 100% DIS-agreement of the world's best economists that tearing up NAFTA will bring jobs in the here and now.

Negotiators from both Mexico and Canada have accused the Trump administration of negotiating in "bad faith", happening before your very eyes and doubtless your much maligned media has not seen fit to cover the issue in detail. Trump and company have played this like a typically shady real estate deal with "bait and switch" as if we wouldn't notice.

So when Mexico and Canada apply 300% tariffs on your goods, like the US did to Bombadier, don't come whining to anyone. We're Canadian, we're used not not having everything we want and stubborn enough to get even. People always forget our national past time is hockey, the only professional sport in the world that allows bare knuckle fighting -- because the larger Canadian market demands it. Hockey is also the sport that invented and perfected the concept of "payback". Just ask Todd Bertuzzi.
 
Chomsky said:
They take an overseas job in China or Japan!
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..and more and more in Canada.

They have termed the "bright collar" in-migration "a nano track" as there is a negative waiting list; our colleges and tech companies get federal $ to recruit high end talent around the globe.

Imagine a dark-skinned Mediteranian graduating with a degree in aerospace engineering and amid the turmoil of banning people who look like him, up pops a recruiter offering a fast track and immediate employment.
 
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