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What kind of country have we become?

D_NATURED said:
Talk about projection, you've mastered it. The left's agenda is supported, in principle, by a vast majority. Furthermore, it is the right that have gerrymandered and corrupted democracy for their own vile purposes, by any means necessary. Get your story straight.
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Hmm.

U.S. Conservatives Outnumber Liberals by Narrowing Margin - Gallup
STORY HIGHLIGHTS
36% of Americans now conservative, 25% liberal
Liberal figure has inched up from 17% in 1990s
Conservatives mainly steady, while moderates decline
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Democrats Shifting Further Left; GOP Remains Conservative

Most of the long-term change in Americans' political views occurred after 2000 and can be explained by one overarching factor -- an increasing likelihood of Democrats (including independents who lean Democratic) to self-identify as liberal. Democratic liberal identification has increased by about one percentage point each year, from 30% in 2001 to 44% in 2016. As a result, liberalism now ranks as the top ideological group among Democrats.

Meanwhile, there has been an eight-point decline since 2001 in the percentage of Democrats identifying as conservative and a six-point decline in the percentage of Democrats who are moderate.

Republicans Maintain Strong Conservative Orientation

In contrast to the leftward shift in how Democrats describe their views, Republicans (including independents who lean Republican) have maintained a strong tendency to identify as conservative. However, the extent of this has varied slightly. At 63%, the percentage conservative today is higher than in 2001, but below the peak of 67% in 2009 and 2010.
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Doesn't look like it to me, but you are free to interpret reality however you see fit, whatever your narratives and ideology demands.
 
D_NATURED said:
No, you have no control over others. You have the option, however, not to let the silly Christian death cult become your own. Every Christian in the US does. Yet, too many still subscribe to this end-times fantasy that they feed with every miserable morsel of bad news they can muster. They crawl around like crack heads searching through the carpet for a lost rock, trying to find in the news the necessary evidence to support their habit of paranoia and pessimism and their perpetual dire judgements about humanity's inadequacy in god's eyes.

That's the thing about god, though. He doesn't have to be real to inspire bloodshed or, in this case, the careless abandonment of any potential future. With every fiber of their being, those resolved to their darkest fears create them for us all, projecting evil on a human society that has, by any rational measure, only improved since Jesus' time. What a crock of **** they sell us, as they prove only that THEY can't reconcile their faith against reality, so they just re-imagine reality.
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Your post testifies to the fact you haven't a clue what I believe...fearful? Hardly...you should feel so free and joyful of the future...
 
RetiredUSN said:
I don't buy the morality nonsense.......sorry. The democrats have had plenty of time in the place of power to make these so called changes that you are chiming in on.
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Morality "nonsense"? I think you just proved my point.
 
Elvira said:
Your post testifies to the fact you haven't a clue what I believe...fearful? Hardly...you should feel so free and joyful of the future...
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To be perfectly clear, you mean you're joyful of the future when all of the good people go missing, Jesus flies down from the sky like superman and the rest of us who don't believe in Him suffer untold punishment from god, right?
 
D_NATURED said:
To be perfectly clear, you mean you're joyful of the future when all of the good people go missing, Jesus flies down from the sky like superman and the rest of us who don't believe in Him suffer untold punishment from god, right?
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Thank you...just keep proving my point even further...the good people won't go anywhere...they'll be right here on the earth...the only people who will be leaving are the wicked and defiant...
 
eohrnberger said:
Hmm.



Doesn't look like it to me, but you are free to interpret reality however you see fit, whatever your narratives and ideology demands.
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In your same Gallup poll source you posted it also says that Liberals are growing while conservatives have seen a decline. The increase in numbers of Democrats has risen far more significant rate than Republicans...Probably why the Democrat nominee has won the popular vote 6 of the last 7 presidential elections...

If you think Liberals are done growing you would be mistaken....

Millennials and Gen Xers increasingly identify as liberal Democrats;

As a young adult that is a progressive, time is on my side...Baby boomers will fade.
 
eohrnberger said:
Hmm.



Doesn't look like it to me, but you are free to interpret reality however you see fit, whatever your narratives and ideology demands.
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I admit that the conservatives have done a superior job of branding. Clearly, they have vilified liberalism and polished up the turd that is the conservative name. That doesn't mean they have a more popular agenda, though, when applied to American lives, it means they've effectively confused the issues until most people don't even realize where their misery is coming from. There is no doubt that selling bubble and bust economies or the subjugation of women or perpetual war requires a better PR strategy than offering stability and investment in the future of Americans.

What your chart shows is the progress of the conservative name, not how it manifests in people's lives. Nobody, but NOBODY, has done a better job than conservatives of consistently giving **** sandwiches to the people and calling them pop tarts.
 
LunaRose said:
In your same Gallup poll source you posted it also says that Liberals are growing while conservatives have seen a decline. The increase in numbers of Democrats has risen far more significant rate than Republicans...Probably why the Democrat nominee has won the popular vote 6 of the last 7 presidential elections...

If you think Liberals are done growing you would be mistaken....

Millennials and Gen Xers increasingly identify as liberal Democrats;

As a young adult that is a progressive, time is on my side...Baby boomers will fade.
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I made no such assertion, that "Liberals are done growing".
I mad an assertion where the country was at this moment in time, and backed it up with a citation.

As to what lies in the future, well, the future is not written, we we'll all have to see how it unfolds.
 
D_NATURED said:
I admit that the conservatives have done a superior job of branding. Clearly, they have vilified liberalism and polished up the turd that is the conservative name. That doesn't mean they have a more popular agenda, though, when applied to American lives, it means they've effectively confused the issues until most people don't even realize where their misery is coming from. There is no doubt that selling bubble and bust economies or the subjugation of women or perpetual war requires a better PR strategy than offering stability and investment in the future of Americans.

What your chart shows is the progress of the conservative name, not how it manifests in people's lives. Nobody, but NOBODY, has done a better job than conservatives of consistently giving **** sandwiches to the people and calling them pop tarts.
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'vilified liberalism and polished up the turd that is conservative'

I get it.
liberalism = everything good.
conservatism = everything bad

I think liberalism is its own worst enemy, in some of the completely ridiculous positions and public policies they purport.

While I don't think that conservatism = everything good, there are far fewer completely ridiculous positions and public policies being purported.
 
eohrnberger said:
'vilified liberalism and polished up the turd that is conservative'

I get it.
liberalism = everything good.
conservatism = everything bad

I think liberalism is its own worst enemy, in some of the completely ridiculous positions and public policies they purport.

While I don't think that conservatism = everything good, there are far fewer completely ridiculous positions and public policies being purported.
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Please expound on the liberal positions that are so much more ridiculous than cutting taxes on the rich at the expense of the national debt? What liberal policy rises to that level of recklessness?
 
D_NATURED said:
Please expound on the liberal positions that are so much more ridiculous than cutting taxes on the rich at the expense of the national debt? What liberal policy rises to that level of recklessness?
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How many poor people hire other people?
Additionally, the proposed tax legislation would hike taxes on earners of $1M or more in high tax states.

If you want ridiculous, there's this:

New California law allows jail time for using wrong gender pronoun ...

www.foxnews.com/.../new-california-law-allows-jail-time-for-using-wrong-gender-pron...
Oct 9, 2017 - Democratic California Gov. Jerry Brown signed legislation on October 4, 2017 that would punish health care workers with fine, and potential jail ...
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Perhaps a bit over stated, but still, even PolitiFact acknowledges the kernel of truth about this particular bill.

Violations of the bill could, under limited circumstances, be treated as a misdemeanor with punishment of up to one year in jail and/or a $1,000 fine.
Claims mislead about California forcing jail time for using wrong transgender pronoun | PolitiFact California - PolitiFact
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Further ridiculousness is the idea that gender is 'fluid' and can be 'chosen', when the science of biology clearly states different. And this from the end of the political spectrum that trumpets its the 'party of science'?

Err, from my observation, perhaps only if it furthers their political agenda and is in alignment with their political ideology, otherwise, not so much.
 
independentusa said:
It seems that we have a country with no morals at all. We would elect a man who has molested children, yes children just because he can vote for a bill we think we want. We don't care if he did it or not, really, that is what this is all about. Party before country has become the theme of the day. I read an article about there being no statesmen left in politics, well it is obvious there aren't even any decent people left on either side of the aisle when it comes to our politics. And the idea that Alabama would elect this man, well it is just plain evil. There is no person who is a true Christian that would vote for a man who has molested children, and yet there are so called Christians that admit they believe the women but will still vote for Moore. We have lost our moral compass and it makes us look like a country that can't be trusted to do the right thing in the eyes of the world, and for once, the world is right. So you tell me what kind of country have we become?
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I'm not sure we've ever had a moral compass to lose. To thunderous applause about 15 years ago, POTUS institutionalized torture, and even most churches were absolutely silent. The applause came from people on the street and on the internet. POTUS Trump wants to do it again, only harder and more frequently.

What moral compass?
 
Thoreau72 said:
I'm not sure we've ever had a moral compass to lose. To thunderous applause about 15 years ago, POTUS institutionalized torture, and even most churches were absolutely silent. The applause came from people on the street and on the internet. POTUS Trump wants to do it again, only harder and more frequently.

What moral compass?
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We're a country who makes stars of Kardashian sisters but pokes fun at someone who studies hard and gets straight A's.
 
calamity said:
60% obese; 80% with more debt than assets; 99.999% think they are the best in the world. They have a clinical name for people like that. And, it ain't "great."
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:lol:

Just make up stats... LOL
 
calamity said:
60% obese; 80% with more debt than assets; 99.999% think they are the best in the world. They have a clinical name for people like that. And, it ain't "great."
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pull those numbers out of you ass?

I will debunk your first number

"The age-adjusted prevalence of obesity in 2013-2014 was 35 percent among men and 40.4 percent among women,

https://www.cnbc.com/2016/06/07/americas-obesity-epidemic-hits-a-new-high.html

The truth is around 38%


Oh and your second

About Half of America Has More Debt Than Savings: Survey

The 52 percent of people who have more savings than debt is the exact same percentage as five years earlier, even though most measures of the country’s economic health have improved since then.

https://www.nbcnews.com/business/bu...america-has-more-debts-savings-survey-n523671

The truth is 48%
 
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calamity said:
lazy country full of idiots who think they are the brightest and hardest working people on earth. Next question.
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U just described the current day Dem Party!
 
Mustachio said:
Louis Theroux is one of the greatest documentarians of all time. He's not like anybody in the United States. He interviews people from all walks of life, from the scum (Westboro Church) to the outrageous (Master P) and tries to connect with them and show their humanity, even in Nazis - some of whom threaten him because they suspect he's Jewish (he's not).

His brother is Justin Theroux, an actor who is married to Jennifer Aniston. Although he is British, he's lived in LA for long periods of time and has been everywhere.

On this topic, I think there's some validity to it. Politics has become a reality television show. What happens on reality television? People are pitted against each other and egged on, so that over the course of time they become angrier and more violent towards each other for ratings. Now in politics, people are being pitted against each other and egged on for votes. The same ending. There's really only one thing that can stop it, and that's us learning how to be kind to one another and doing exactly what Louis Theroux does. Find the good in everybody, even your worst enemy, and realize that - as Werner Herzog said - respect them because they are a human being.
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I don't know much about Louis Theroux and I have not seen a single documentary of his 3 part "Dark States" mini-series. I didn't even know about it until yesterday.


He may or may not be the ex-pat Brit living in LA (a nice part of LA) who made the documentary about the LA serial killer that targeted Black-American women in LA hooked on crack cocaine. The one the LAPD regarded as a hero (the serial killer) cleaning up the streets of LA.

What is interesting is that like it took a Frenchman to write the biography (the first 2 or 3 in fact I think) of Jack Johnson the black heavy weight, until like the 21st century, it has taken some white Brits to apparently do very intriguing documentaries into certain aspect of black (or white) lives.



I watched this documentary years ago. One of the Brits from the UK helping this expat Brit make the doc got so frightened by the Black LA gang-bangers and LA hood life and people in general, that he had to resign and fly back to the UK.

Trailer:





Full documentary movie: https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3i4h27
 
calamity said:
We're a country who makes stars of Kardashian sisters but pokes fun at someone who studies hard and gets straight A's.
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Have we been conditioned to be that way?
 
calamity said:
IMO, we chose to be this way.
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I think we are fairly well conditioned to behave as we do. Not totally and completely, but to some degree. Our perceptions are very much controlled, and our behavior stems from our perceptions.
 
Thoreau72 said:
I think we are fairly well conditioned to behave as we do. Not totally and completely, but to some degree. Our perceptions are very much controlled, and our behavior stems from our perceptions.
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Meh...maybe for stupid people this is true. But, anyone who actually thinks is not going to fall for the things being sold to them. Now, are we a country full of stupid people? Yes. I agree that we are. Proof of that is Survivor.

A show that bored the hell out of me after Season 1 is going on Season 20. Now, that is stupid.
 
eohrnberger said:
Hmm.



Doesn't look like it to me, but you are free to interpret reality however you see fit, whatever your narratives and ideology demands.
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While most of the states tend clearly conservative, the liberal states are decidedly liberal. While most of rural America is conservative, the big population centers tend strongly liberal...

While most of the prosperous states are liberal, the dregs are conservative. The dregs are poor conservative crap holes filled with poverty, guns, religious dogma and dogmatic servitude to the written word of long dead culture heroes. Liberal areas are the sites of education, science, societal progress and a desire to reach for the stars. They make things happen.
 
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