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If Moore wins in Alabama does that mean that the women lied?

Manc Skipper said:
What it means is that Alabama voters will vote for a sex deviant who votes the way they want rather than elect a decent man.
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You liberals need zero proof for anything. I hope y’all are never on a jury!


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akyron said:
You did know that Moore was actually a democrat that changed to republican right?

History is your friend. Pay attention to it.
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I did know that. Now why would he do such a thing?
 
ObamacareFail said:
There you go again with that knee jerk reflex that you just cannot control. :funny:lamo
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Aping your betters never impresses them - it only exposes your weakness that you would desperately attempt to do so.
 
independentusa said:
I have heard Huckabee say in other words that Trump won last November which means that the public decided on who was telling the truth. So does that mean that if Moore wins the public decided that the women who have come out are lying, or that Republicans in Alabama will vote for a GOP candidate no matter what he has done?
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I need to see that Huckabee quote, but it’s pretty disturbing if accurate.
 
independentusa said:
I have heard Huckabee say in other words that Trump won last November which means that the public decided on who was telling the truth. So does that mean that if Moore wins the public decided that the women who have come out are lying, or that Republicans in Alabama will vote for a GOP candidate no matter what he has done?
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I don't think it would necessarily mean either.

Voters may be bothered by the accusations, but not prepared to reverse their votes without more evidence. Because it's a pretty big leap from an accusation (that the person being accused denies) and a decision not to vote based on a he said/she said scenario.

There are reasons to doubt the accusers and there are reasons to doubt Moore's story -- but to actually punish Moore based on the questionable evidence we've heard thus far might not be in the cards. It won't harm the women if Moore is elected, but if he loses the election based on their accusations, he has been harmed.

Some will likely view it that way.
 
ObamacareFail said:
Most Alabama voters will choose Moore or skip the vote. Jones is a space cadet.
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Jones is an experienced US Attorney that successfully picked up a cold case and obtained a conviction of 2 KKK bombers that killed little girls in a church fire. Jones' qualifications are impressive and he's not a hypocritical child predator nutjob.
 
MrShangles said:
You liberals need zero proof for anything. I hope y’all are never on a jury!


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LOL :) Tell that to all the conservatives that are 100% convinced Barack Obama is a Kenyan born Muslim still bent on imposing Sharia law in the USA :)

You are adorable!
 
MaggieD said:
First, Moore isn’t going to win. Finally, if by some fluke he does? I think tens of millions will be very disappointed because it will mean we truly do have a bunch of partisan idiots going to the polls.
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I hope you are correct. I currently live in Alabama and participate in an Alabama political forum that is about 60% alt-right, Bannonite folks, perhaps 30% moderates and independents most of who vote Republican, and about 10% Democrats and liberals. This isn't the voter mix for Alabama, as about 35% of the voters voted for Clinton in the last election. Of the 65% or so that voted for Trump, many are Republicans who just held their nose and voted Republican, and quite a few were independents who just didn't like Clinton. There's a lot of stupid people in Alabama too, and they mostly voted for Trump under the delusion that he was going to improve their lives.

The alt-right, Bannon followers on the Alabama forum are all-in for Roy Moore. They deny that Roy Moore has done anything wrong and label Doug Jones a baby-killer. These guys are going to vote, and vote for Moore. A lot of the independents and moderate Republicans are just going to stay home and not vote. The white Democrats are energized. I'm a volunteer for Doug Moore and have been making those pesky political phone calls on his behalf. The majority of Democrats I talk to are going to vote but I'm getting a good bit of apathy from African-Americans. The African-American vote is extremely important in this race (to the Democrats). I'm concerned that they may not be energized to get out and vote. Doug Jones did prosecute KKK members for killing 4 young girls in a Birmingham church and most of the African-Americans I have talked to know that. I'm hoping that this, plus the sexual molestation press coverage will be enough to get the African-Americans out to vote.

I think it's going to be close. Interestingly, I'm seeing more Doug Jones signs than Roy Moore signs in my area. I think this may be because people are ashamed to show they support Roy Moore.
 
independentusa said:
First, these women all told someone back when, but they all knew that they would be the ones to suffer if they came out back then. And Moore's wife was just sixteen when he first hit on her and she is the same age as the woman who said he hit on her when she was 14. Finally it seems that Trump has told us that Moore is innocent because like Trump he absolutely denies having done any of the things that the women in both Moore's and Trump's cases said they did. I mean denying it makes it true, you do believe that don't you?
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Witnesses have come forward debunking the Nelson allegations.

A sheriff now retired stated he often ate at the Olde Hickory before starting his shift and he never saw Moore in the place. He said he knew Moore as he would often see him at the courthouse.
Two waitresses from Olde Hickory during that time period have come forward when they found inaccuracies in her story.
Ms. Nelson said she was 15. They stated you had to be 16 to work there.
Ms. Nelson said the restaurant closed at 10:00. They stated it stayed open past 11:00 because the Goodyear plant was right next door and their second shift ended at 10:00 and a lot of them came to the Olde Hickory for dinner.
Ms. Nelson stated the Moore was a regular and sat at the counter. The waitress stated no waitress was allowed to work the counter. That was where the bartender worked and if a customer ordered a plate of food it was delivered by the short order cook. Neither waitress ever recalled Moore coming into the place. One stated suits were not our clientele.
Ms. Nelson stated the parking lot was dark. One waitress stated that the restaurant had a wrap around porch on it like Cracker Barrel and it was well lit.
Ms. Nelson claimed that Moore drove his vehicle behind the restaurant next to the dumpsters where the alleged assault took place. Both waitresses stated the dumpsters were on the side of the restaurant visible to a four lane highway in front. The kitchen help took the trash out a side door. There was no room to the rear of the restaurant for a dumpster let alone enough room to turn around a car. The property backed up to residential property.
Both waitresses don't recall Ms. Nelson ever working there.

A man that worked at the mall refuted the allegations that Moore had been banned.
"Mall Operations Manager Johnny Adams said, “In my 26 years working at Gadsden Mall, I never heard anything about Roy Moore being banned from the mall or any other mention of issues concerning him. As the Operations Manager overseeing Mall Security, I would have been aware of something like that.”

Moore campaign refutes allegations of being banned from the mall - Alabama Political Reporter

There is also a youtube video made by Ms. Nelson's stepson where he says his stepmom is lying. I don't think he will be getting together with his family this Thanksgiving.

So are all these people lying?
 
RedFishBlueFish said:
I hope you are correct. I currently live in Alabama and participate in an Alabama political forum that is about 60% alt-right, Bannonite folks, perhaps 30% moderates and independents most of who vote Republican, and about 10% Democrats and liberals. This isn't the voter mix for Alabama, as about 35% of the voters voted for Clinton in the last election. Of the 65% or so that voted for Trump, many are Republicans who just held their nose and voted Republican, and quite a few were independents who just didn't like Clinton. There's a lot of stupid people in Alabama too, and they mostly voted for Trump under the delusion that he was going to improve their lives.

The alt-right, Bannon followers on the forum are all-in for Roy Moore. They deny that Roy Moore has done anything wrong and label Doug Jones a baby-killer. These guys are going to vote, and vote for Moore. A lot of the independents and moderate Republicans are just going to stay home and not vote. The Democrats are energized. I'm a volunteer for Doug Moore and have been making those pesky political phone calls on his behalf. The majority of Democrats I talk to are going to vote but I'm getting a good bit of apathy from African-Americans. The African-American vote is extremely important in this race (to the Democrats). I'm concerned that they may not be energized to get out and vote. Doug Jones did prosecute KKK members for killing 4 young girls in a Birmingham church and most of the African-Americans I have talked to know that. I'm hoping that this, plus the sexual molestation press coverage will be enough to get the African-Americans out to vote.

I think it's going to be close. Interestingly, I'm seeing more Doug Jones signs than Roy Moore signs in my area. I think this may be because people are ashamed to show they support Roy Moore.
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This is great information, thanks! During those pesky phone calls, don't forget to encourage people to vote for Doug Jones!

Happy Thanksgiving!

:rock
 
ObamacareFail said:
What it will mean if Moore wins is that the voters in Alabama know a hit political hit job when they see one. They are highly suspicious of these women all coming out nearly all at one time nearly 40 years later. Moore has been involved in high profile campaigns many times before. This is about the Washington Post setting up shop in Alabama and trolling for dirt and in all likelyhood paying for it.
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Yes, I can see it now...

Editor to reporter: go to Alabama... Here's $50 thou to bribe people living in various parts of the state to come up with a scandal involving Judge Moore.

Reporter: what am I supposed to set him up with?

Editor: Try sex, that always works, especially kid sex. Get some middle aged women to remember him flirting with them when they were underage.

Reporter: You realize sir, that if this unethical activity comes out, if one of these women takes our money and squeals, we will lose all credibility as an institution, could be sued and go under? And he might still win.

Editor: Doesn't matter. Just the possibility of depriving the republicans of one vote in the Senate is worth the risk. And who do you think you are going all Woodward/Bernstein on me?
 
haymarket said:
Aping your betters never impresses them - it only exposes your weakness that you would desperately attempt to do so.
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Let me know when one of my betters comes along. You do not qualify.:lamo
 
RedFishBlueFish said:
I hope you are correct. I currently live in Alabama and participate in an Alabama political forum that is about 60% alt-right, Bannonite folks, perhaps 30% moderates and independents most of who vote Republican, and about 10% Democrats and liberals. This isn't the voter mix for Alabama, as about 35% of the voters voted for Clinton in the last election. Of the 65% or so that voted for Trump, many are Republicans who just held their nose and voted Republican, and quite a few were independents who just didn't like Clinton. There's a lot of stupid people in Alabama too, and they mostly voted for Trump under the delusion that he was going to improve their lives.

The alt-right, Bannon followers on the Alabama forum are all-in for Roy Moore. They deny that Roy Moore has done anything wrong and label Doug Jones a baby-killer. These guys are going to vote, and vote for Moore. A lot of the independents and moderate Republicans are just going to stay home and not vote. The white Democrats are energized. I'm a volunteer for Doug Moore and have been making those pesky political phone calls on his behalf. The majority of Democrats I talk to are going to vote but I'm getting a good bit of apathy from African-Americans. The African-American vote is extremely important in this race (to the Democrats). I'm concerned that they may not be energized to get out and vote. Doug Jones did prosecute KKK members for killing 4 young girls in a Birmingham church and most of the African-Americans I have talked to know that. I'm hoping that this, plus the sexual molestation press coverage will be enough to get the African-Americans out to vote.

I think it's going to be close. Interestingly, I'm seeing more Doug Jones signs than Roy Moore signs in my area. I think this may be because people are ashamed to show they support Roy Moore.
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Your last paragraph is probably right. The first time we put out a Trump sign, it was stolen. The second time we found it smashed to absolute smithereens. No third time. Point taken.
 
lurchadams said:
Jones is an experienced US Attorney that successfully picked up a cold case and obtained a conviction of 2 KKK bombers that killed little girls in a church fire. Jones' qualifications are impressive and he's not a hypocritical child predator nutjob.
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I hate to break it to you, however the case was handed to Doug Jones on a silver platter. It was two investigators that did the ground work, interviews, and came up with the evidence that allowed Jones to prosecute the four bastards. any US Attorney could have handled the prosecution. Those two investigators pulled picked up a cold case and worked on it. And once again, where is your evidence that Moore is a child molester? He said-she said" is not enough.....especially considering that the some of the accusers stories have already been debunked.
 
MaggieD said:
Your last paragraph is probably right. The first time we put out a Trump sign, it was stolen. The second time we found it smashed to absolute smithereens. No third time. Point taken.
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That happened to my cousin. My dad bought a Trump sign, but he never put it on the front lawn; it just hangs in the garage now.
 
ObamacareFail said:
I hate to break it to you, however the case was handed to Doug Jones on a silver platter. It was two investigators that did the ground work, interviews, and came up with the evidence that allowed Jones to prosecute the four bastards. any US Attorney could have handled the prosecution. Those two investigators pulled picked up a cold case and worked on it. And once again, where is your evidence that Moore is a child molester? He said-she said" is not enough.....especially considering that the some of the accusers stories have already been debunked.
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Yeah, we're not going to agree on any of this. Moore's accusers stories have not been debunked. On the contrary, none of the women know each other and all their stories have been independantly corroborated.

We're also not going to agree on who is more qualified. Jones is an experienced U.S. Attorney and a moderate Democrat who many agree will serve Alabama well.

Moore was kicked off the bench twice for being an extremist nutjob, has stated that homosexualtiy should be criminalized, is a birther, and claims that 911 was punishment for rejecting the teachings of the bible.

To me it's a clear choice. I respect that you and many Alabamians disagree and don't envy your predicament.
 
lurchadams said:
Yeah, we're not going to agree on any of this. Moore's accusers stories have not been debunked. On the contrary, none of the women know each other and all their stories have been independantly corroborated.
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Some of them have absolutely been debunked or at least look very doubtful. The year book story is now extremely doubtful as is the restaurant story.

We're also not going to agree on who is more qualified. Jones is an experienced U.S. Attorney and a moderate Democrat who many agree will serve Alabama well.
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So what? Moore is an experianced And we will let the Ak state supreme court justice. and we will let the Alabama voters decide who will serve Alabama well.

Moore was kicked off the bench twice for being an extremist nutjob, has stated that homosexualtiy should be criminalized, is a birther, and claims that 911 was punishment for rejecting the teachings of the bible.
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Moore was kicked off the bench the first time for simply refusing to remove a 10 commandments plaque from the court house. You may not like that stance, however it does not make him a nut job....nor do his other stands. Keep in mind that Alabama is in the Bible Belt. As "birther", that nonsense started in the Hillary camp in 2008. And I give Obama most of the credit for how long the birther movement lasted. He could have produced a cnotarized copy of his original document from the beginning and put it to rest. he thought he benefited politically as long as it was out there.

To me it's a clear choice. I respect that you and many Alabamians disagree and don't envy your predicament.
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To me it's a clear choice as well. The accusations against Moore simply do not pass the smell test. Where there is doubt in a couple stories, that creates doubt in all of them, if for no other reason based on the timing....weeks before an election over something that alllegedly occurred 40 years ago. At worst, Moore may have dated teens of legal age in his early 30s. Happens in Hollywood all the time. While i don't find that moral, it was a very long time ago. And if he was a pedophile much more recent stories would have come out. Pedophiles do not stop that kind of behavior. They cannot help themselves. The voters of Alabama know a political hit job when they see one.
 
All of this will be moot until he's convicted. Why bother with all the hand-wringing until then?
 
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