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Trump official: ‘Lazy’ black people turn cities to ‘slums’

woodsman said:
The brush you are painting with is as wide as a football field which shows your naiveté on this topic. The biggest driver of single parent households amongst the poorest of us is the welfare system and It’s rules. A single mother gets more benefits than if she stat’s the child’s father on a birth certificate. This game, or gaming the system isn’t any secret.

Does extreme wealth get passed down, sure it does, what would you suggest, confiscate it?

Does education get passed down, well, the work ethic to achieve an education sure does. We can see this with the poorest immigrants in this country. I suggest looking at the ivy league schools and the ethnicity of the top SAT scores.

What culture, the slave trade included Africans selling Africans?. Hey, do some research of the modern day slave trading in Libya, is that the culture you refer to? Take note, if any think that the black community in the US (isn’t) a complete mess overall you are kidding yourself.
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1. You say welfare is the cause of single parent households. I say it's caused by poverty. Let's find a country with poverty and no welfare.

In Colombia, 84 percent of all children are born to unmarried mothers. Argentina, Mexico, Chile and other countries throughout the region have similar numbers, with well over half of all children born outside wedlock.
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https://www.npr.org/sections/parall...-latin-america-unwed-mothers-are-now-the-norm

Poor, uneducated people tend to have higher rates of out of wedlock births and single parents. It has ALWAYS been that way among human beings.

2. I didn't complain that wealth is passed down. My point is that because Blacks weren't allowed to work, they had little wealth to pass down. Generations of poverty have a tremendous effect on future generations.

3. Poor immigrants are not necessarily uneducated. My parents would have counted as poor immigrants but they were well educated and they insisted we all go to college. Poor uneducated people often fail to teach their children the importance of education.

4. I'm referring to the fact that immigrants from poor Black countries come here with a culture intact and that helps them succeed. Slavery in Lybia is irrelevant to the experience of Blacks in America. We're talking about America.
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
I call it cultural Christianity. It's just a part of the Bible Belt culture. Roy Moore talks the talk while he's groping women and picking up high school girls.

1. Christianity teaches peace. Blessed are the peacemakers. Yet the Christian Right is very hawkish.

2. Christianity condemns the indifference of the rich towards the poor.




https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+25:31-46

There should be no greater advocate for the poor than Christians. But these people want tax breaks that only apply to estates over 5 million dollars and cuts to programs to help the poor. How can these people still be considered Christians?

And they talk about "family values and faith" yet they elect a man who says he NEVER had to ask God for forgiveness. NEVER. A man who is married to his third wife, a model who posed for erotic nude photos. A man who trades old wives in for hot models. A man accused of sexually assaulting dozens of women. A man who created a sham university to defraud people. A man who takes money from his son's cancer charity. I could go on and on.

Situational Christians or Cultural Christians they do not reflect Christianity at all.
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No sir they do not. And they make the rest of us look bad. You try to tell someone on the right that the left seems to be more moral (because, you know, we actually care if people go hungry, or are homeless) and they look at you like you have a third eye.
 
JANFU said:
When I was growing, and still relevant today, we called them Sunday Morning Christians.
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Yup, similar here. So many of them would go out drinking on Saturday nights, cheat on their wives, and come in to church on Sunday morning, while their wives looked down their noses at me because I wasn't wearing a $200 dress.

That's not the kind of Christianity I am interested in. I may piss some people off here, and if I do, well it won't be the first time. I used to be a Baptist, and didn't feel that it was right for me, because I don't believe in "Once saved, always saved," nor do I believe that you can go out, raise hell and come back in Sunday morning for forgiveness. It's like the old saying, "It's easier to ask for forgiveness than permission." I don't believe that you should be able to go out and do whatever you want, knowing you can come back in on Sunday morning, hit the alter and be forgiven. It's violating the spirit of forgiveness, in my opinion.
 
joG said:
Your description is much as one could describe the lot of Black Africans, though, they weren’t mostly fed as well and many starved in squalor. But be that as it may, it is typical to hear that kind of excuse instead of a solid explanation. But it seems that we agree to an extent that the victim mentality bred by false good intentions of the social system.
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Why would you let an investment starve? That makes no sense.
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
I think people still don't fully grasp how badly the American government treated Blacks and how it wasn't just a long time ago. How does a man support a family without a job? It's not until the 70's that Blacks are allowed to have regular jobs. And we already see the huge change where people like the Obama's are both Harvard Law grads. But the kind of damage done over generations doesn't just disappear in few decades. It will take generations to heal. Yet, while Blacks and Native Americans heal these people blame them for their wounds.
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Exactly.

And while it has gotten some easier for the black community, we still have a long way to go. Unfortunately, we are currently headed in the wrong direction.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
For some people, the 1950’s are looked upon with feelings nostalgia. I don’t think the 50s was a perfect decade
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The only people who look on the 50s as a perfect decade that they can feel nostalgic over were white people. The 50s were a terrible decade for people of color, and the 60s were even worse. But at least the 60s had hope, with Dr. King and Medgar Evers.
 
Superfly said:
The only people who look on the 50s as a perfect decade that they can feel nostalgic over were white people. The 50s were a terrible decade for people of color, and the 60s were even worse. But at least the 60s had hope, with Dr. King and Medgar Evers.
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Speaking as a white person, I think the 1950s are overrated. Granted I was born in 1992
 
Superfly said:
The only people who look on the 50s as a perfect decade that they can feel nostalgic over were white people. The 50s were a terrible decade for people of color, and the 60s were even worse. But at least the 60s had hope, with Dr. King and Medgar Evers.
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1950 90% of the people were white, if the whites were doing great then we were doing great....generally.....by definition.
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
Mods delete thread already exists. Posted in the existing thread.



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https://www.rawstory.com/2017/11/tr...es-to-slums-through-drug-use-and-promiscuity/

This is Reverend Jamie Johnson. This man is actually a reverend. And this is why I say that the Christian Right no longer has any real Christianity.

This guy was spouting this nonsense on conservative talk radio where people had no problem with the racist stuff he said. How many conservatives think like him.

So, let's go over just how stupid his claims are:

1. Jewish immigrants "in the early part of the 1800’s immediately rolled up their sleeves"

Hmm...what were the "lazy" Black people doing in the early 1800's? Oh yeah, picking cotton for free under slavery. So lazy of them.

2. He says these Jewish immigrants, "applied themselves to education and other means of improvement and other means of climbing the, I hate this phrase, but the social ladder"

Hmm...why didn't these "lazy" Black people do the same? Oh yeah, during slavery weren't allowed to learn to read.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-literacy_law

It's not until the 1960's Civil Rights Act that schools began desegregating. And that was a huge fight that tore the country apart. The South didn't want to desegregate. Sadly, schools are still segregated today because of economics.

3. He says Jewish people are successful "Because they work."

Hmm...when exactly was a Black man allowed to get a basic job like firefighter or policeman? Probably the 1970's some Black men were able to get basic jobs. Other immigrants were accumulating wealth from the 1800's and here we have Blacks finally able to get basic jobs and attend schools in the 1970's.

Think about this, until Jackie Robinson in 1947 Black men weren't even allowed to play professional baseball. Yes, Baseball! Forget any other decent job.

Imagine how damaging it is if for GENERATIONS men in a community are prevented from getting basic jobs. You need a job to support a family and raise children and to pass on wealth to your children.

How is it rational to compare the success of Jewish immigrants to Black in America? So, after all the brutal horrors that Blacks have faced in America, conservatives like Rev. Jamie Johnson then blame Blacks for the consequences of the injustices tha were imposed upon them.
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Why are you being so anti-Semitic? Do you think the holocaust didn't happen?
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
I guess the story varies by city. I would be surprised if Black men got good union factory jobs in the 50's and 60's. They were lucky to find janitorial work or the kitchen, landscaping, and construction jobs that illegal aliens occupy today.
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SonofD,

I was born in 1971. My Black-American father was born before me. Both his Black-American parents came from out of Mississippi--and into Milwaukee--in what is known as The Great Migration.

Prior to the Great Migration almost all Black-Americans lived in the South. Both my Black-American grandparents were rural sharecroppers in Mississippi. My black grandfather told me out his own mouth that he used to plow the fields in Mississippi with a mule. I think it was a mule. Some damn animal. Anyways... one of the biggest draws to the North were all the factory jobs. When I say factory jobs understand that the North at some point had more jobs available in factories than job applicants, available workers. This had nothing to do with the white North being "nice." It was a matter of $$$$$$.

More jobs than people to fill them = employers raise wages offered to attract applicants.

(Situation currently: More out of work people than jobs available = employers lower wages because they can pick whoever they want as some out of work person will take the job if you don't want it.)

My Black-American grandfather not only worked in factories in Milwaukee when my father was still a child (I was not even born) but he worked in many high paying factory jobs. In fact he told me this with his own mouth and so did my father. My grandfather told me a story I've heard before from people that used to work in Milwaukee during the 1950s and 1960s: that he got fired from one high paying factory job, walked out the factory and while walking right down the same block he picked up new high paying factory job that same day. He was laughing hysterically when he told it to me. Others told me back then you could easily walk down the streets of Milwaukee were factories or warehouses were and get hired that same day.

My grandfather retired from a beer brewery in Milwaukee (I remember the cases of beer in their back hallways when I was child too). He operated a forklift and they allowed him to drink beer on the job (operating a forklift). I've heard from plenty of old time workers that the beer breweries used to let people drink on the job, often with beer in the lunch room area. And other factories that had nothing to do with making alcohol had a drinking culture too. It was expected "as a man" to go to the bars at lunch and drink alcohol with your coworkers.



Gary, Indiana: back in the 1950s and 1960s Black-Americans then when they graduated high school and went to work for the factories in Gary were making good enough money to buy themselves brand new Cadillacs. Same thing in Chicago, Milwaukee, Detroit, and Cleveland.

Lots of Black-American women were still working as domestic servants (housekeepers) in the Northern cities in the 1960s though.

But lets go to the 1970s Milwaukee factories. One Black-American Baby Boomer told me she knew some black people in the factories of Milwaukee in the 1970s starting off at $14 an hour. :shock: That bread spent loooooong in the 1970s. Even today in year 2017 you would be lucky to start off at $14 in Milwaukee in some blue collar job.




Also, certain regions of the South tended to go to certain Northern cities. I think--not 100%--that people from Louisianan and Texas generally headed to California and LA during the Great Migration.

In Milwaukee the 2 largest waves came from Mississippi (most) and Tennessee (second most). Milwaukee caught the tale end of the Great Migration--and most Black-Americans in Milwaukee have family in Chicago too.


https://www.wisconsinhistory.org/Records/Article/CS502

Historical Essay
Black History in Wisconsin


Post-World War II Migration

The large-scale migration of black citizens to Wisconsin only occurred after World War II. Between 1940 and 1960, Wisconsin's African-American population increased by nearly 600 percent, from 12,158 in 1940 to 74,546 in 1960. Drawn to jobs in industrial cities during the war, many African Americans stayed to raise their families. Most of these new residents came from Mississippi, Arkansas, and Tennessee.

Increased opportunities for manufacturing jobs and high wages brought more and more southern black migrants to Milwaukee in the 1940s and 1950s.
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Addenda to Post #67.



$14 in 1975 → 2017 | Inflation Calculator

U.S. Inflation Rate, 1975-2017 ($14)

According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the dollar experienced an average inflation rate of 3.67% per year. Prices in 2017 are 355.0% higher than prices in 1975.

In other words, $14 in the year 1975 is equivalent to $63.70 in 2017, a difference of $49.70 over 42 years.
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Academic study done years ago by UW-Milwaukee that gained national attention and has been quoted across the country a number of times.

http://www4.uwm.edu/ced/publications/black-employment_2012.pdf

...1970. Perhaps no statistic better epitomizes the severity of Milwaukee’s black male employment crisis: by 2010, barely more than half of African American males in their prime working years were employed, compared to 85 percent almost forty years ago.
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I didn't watch that last vid. but it is of the old A.O. Smith too. Narrated by some white dude about filling out an application and the guy asking him if he wanted to start later on that night. That's about all I watched of the vid was the first minute or so.


The thing is this to put all this in context about manufacturing jobs across the Northern USA during the 1950s, '60s, and '70s. During WWII there were only a few industrial countries on earth. Japan was one in Asia if not the only industrial country in Asia. Germany was one. England was one. There were some other European ones. But every industrial country on earth got bombed to hell during WWII. That left the USA as the only heavily industrialized country on earth. That de facto meant to the USA could enjoy a *exporting monopoly* on earth so long as it had countries to sell its goods too. Enter the rebuilding of Europe and Japan with US Federal (tax payer) money. Part of that motive was to help get those countries up and running so they could buy US goods produced in factories. Of course, the US had a strong domestic market too and encouraged its citizens to become consumers. This caused the factories to boom and the need of more workers in them. And these factories were integral in creating the Black-American middle-class--and black middle-class neighborhoods like the one I grew up in.
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
Immigrant Blacks often didn't experience the generations of slavery that American Blacks suffered. The fact that immigrant Blacks do much better only proves how damaging racism was to American Blacks.
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Poor deduction.

I’d look at it this way, as I would for Immigrants vs. Native born.

Immigrants are 3 to 4 times more likely to become millionaires. Having traveled the world, it is easy to see why.

Immigrants tended to see the plethora of opportunity, while native born generally bitch and whine. Not all mind you... but it’s a pretty accurate generalization.

When it comes to blacks, could it be immigrants from their native lands did not have the race-card out/excuse? They did not come to the country being fed victimhood their entire existence? They did not have the Jackson’s, Sharptons, Holders, Obama’s, Wright’s that fed and bred this poison?

It isn’t slavery/racism per se, though that was certainly a serious issue and a black mark in American history... but the problem today is the race pimps who have used and abused it for their political purposes... to the serious detriment of blacks in America. It’s the purest mind rotting poison.*

If only they’d listened to Booker T. Washington, or had leadership like Conditions Rice’s parents... who told her she had to be twice as good. That’s wonderful leadership that would have bred a different and positive result.

*Though racism is a black mark on the history of many nations, in the end, out of serious misfortune and evil, the descendants were brought to a land which sets the high water mark for human rights... and one would think at some point a few leaders in that community would come out and tell them this is not 1960, it is 2017... you have a world of opportunity and make the most of it YOURSELF. Stop blaming others for history you cannot change. Stop poisoning each successive generation. It is your life now... make the most of it... the clock is ticking.
 
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zimmer said:
Poor deduction.

I’d look at it this way, as I would for Immigrants vs. Native born.

Immigrants are 3 to 4 times more likely to become millionaires. Having traveled the world, it is easy to see why.

Immigrants tended to see the plethora of opportunity, while native born generally bitch and whine. Not all mind you... but it’s a pretty accurate generalization.
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The majority (numerically, a majority is over 50% or so 51% or greater) of immigrant blacks coming to the USA are from upper-middle-classes to wealthy classes of their native lands. Honestly, I did not know that until listening to Tone Talks run by attorney Antonio Moore. But I was aware that almost all East Indians (people from India) coming to the USA are from the upper-middle-classes to wealthy classes in India. Apparently, most the Chinese coming to the USA are from the upper educated classes of China as well.

Now, Milwaukee has a large Hmong population (2nd or 3rd largest in the country) and, so, I'm more familiar with them than Chinese. The Hmong are poor because they came from rural poverty and didn't even have a written language prior to coming to the USA.

Somalians in the USA from Africa tend to be poor too. Again, they came here poor. I believe Minneapolis has a huge Somalian population and they are poor.

Poor people in most of the world complain and blame. That's a common trait of the poor sociologist have found be it in North America or South America. The middle-class are taught to follow the rules. The rich--those raised in the homes of rich parents--are taught to learn how to get around rules, how to become the rule makers if they can. Basically, the poor and middle-class are too stupid to become rich. Generally.
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
Mods delete thread already exists. Posted in the existing thread.

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https://www.rawstory.com/2017/11/tr...es-to-slums-through-drug-use-and-promiscuity/

This is Reverend Jamie Johnson. This man is actually a reverend. And this is why I say that the Christian Right no longer has any real Christianity.

This guy was spouting this nonsense on conservative talk radio where people had no problem with the racist stuff he said. How many conservatives think like him.

So, let's go over just how stupid his claims are:

1. Jewish immigrants "in the early part of the 1800’s immediately rolled up their sleeves"

Hmm...what were the "lazy" Black people doing in the early 1800's? Oh yeah, picking cotton for free under slavery. So lazy of them.

2. He says these Jewish immigrants, "applied themselves to education and other means of improvement and other means of climbing the, I hate this phrase, but the social ladder"

Hmm...why didn't these "lazy" Black people do the same? Oh yeah, during slavery weren't allowed to learn to read.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-literacy_law

It's not until the 1960's Civil Rights Act that schools began desegregating. And that was a huge fight that tore the country apart. The South didn't want to desegregate. Sadly, schools are still segregated today because of economics.

3. He says Jewish people are successful "Because they work."

Hmm...when exactly was a Black man allowed to get a basic job like firefighter or policeman? Probably the 1970's some Black men were able to get basic jobs. Other immigrants were accumulating wealth from the 1800's and here we have Blacks finally able to get basic jobs and attend schools in the 1970's.

Think about this, until Jackie Robinson in 1947 Black men weren't even allowed to play professional baseball. Yes, Baseball! Forget any other decent job.

Imagine how damaging it is if for GENERATIONS men in a community are prevented from getting basic jobs. You need a job to support a family and raise children and to pass on wealth to your children.

How is it rational to compare the success of Jewish immigrants to Black in America? So, after all the brutal horrors that Blacks have faced in America, conservatives like Rev. Jamie Johnson then blame Blacks for the consequences of the injustices tha were imposed upon them.
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Why can’t I find this anywhere else?
 
zimmer said:
When it comes to blacks, could it be immigrants from their native lands did not have the race-card out/excuse? They did not come to the country being fed victimhood their entire existence? They did not have the Jackson’s, Sharptons, Holders, Obama’s, Wright’s that fed and bred this poison?
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The race card? :roll:

Complaining about the race card is playing the race card by another hand.

Listen... I wish I was a genius and had figured all of what I'm about to say out on my own, but I didn't, about roughly 90% of it I learned in college or from authors in books who became de facto teachers for me too. Maybe about 10% of it I figured out on my own by observing and fitting pieces together.

The cards of "races" were always dealt to blacks and whites even before the year 1900. That being whites owned mostly everything including the farm lands. This is why I prefer reality to fiction. And fiction = political talking points. Because if one knows reality they can better position themselves on the chess board. They can give themselves better odds. For example, if political talking points tells you: "Just go to college and you'll come out being able to buy a home and enter the upper-middle-classes, jobs will be lining up to hire you," then you're probably going to get sucker punched by life, by reality when you graduate with you bachelor's degree in English or some feminist study. However, if you are taught reality about how student debt can actually hinder you, that college can help you in the job market if you major or have minors in certain subjects, and you learn which subjects to pick, then you are better prepared for the capitalist competition of this world.

So, the reality is and was this: white Americans own and owned just about all industries of scale. So, Black-Americans could really only sell their labor to white owners of the auto manufacturing industries of Detroit. Black-American people don't own large construction companies and they really don't even own many small or tiny construction companies (beyond being self employed or employing 1 to 2 other people). Black-Americans have little to no networking abilities. What networking they would have would be contingent on a robust employment rate in their communities: because they sell their labor to employers.

Black-Americans do not own companies like the one below (or large white collar companies like international law firms, or international accounting firms). So,m if industries pick up and leave their cities like they did in Detroit the are left vulnerable;e and economically decimated. But neither Democrats nor Republicans will communicate this fact to Black-Americans because both parties have forked tongues like serpent in the tree.





Canadian company buying one of the big tool brands in the American construction industries:


ToolStoreCanada
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Go back to early 1900s Jim Crow and the major path way to becoming rich for a black person in the USA was through entertainment. Today that remains true. That's what talks shows like that with Oprah was: entertainment. That's what the NFL and NBA are: entertainment. That's what being a comedian, singer, rapper, and actor is: entertainment. Rare does a Black-American become rich via owning (let alone creating) a major grocery store chain of scale, of owning a large trucking company, of owning several unlimited tonnage ships that bulk transport goods across the sea.

And most middle-class whites don't think this way either (a small fraction due, and will or once did, venture off and create their own trucking company etc.they grew over time into a large national or international company). If it were not for their net-working system, even with know many small business owners, most white labor would be unemployed because they are no more "smarter" than middle-class blacks. They just enjoy and benefit from a far more robust networking system. You add to that white employers (not all but many if not most) have preferred hiring whites.

I'm partly pointing out the vids above or spoke about construction because contrary to what "uppity" college educated Black-Americans and white Democrats think, you can potentially (it is not certain) become a multimillionaire going through the blue collar path. The owners (privately--not publicly owned) of Menards (lumber, stones, light fixtures etc store) in Wisconsin are billionaires.
 
zimmer said:
It isn’t slavery/racism per se, though that was certainly a serious issue and a black mark in American history... but the problem today is the race pimps who have used and abused it for their political purposes... to the serious detriment of blacks in America. It’s the purest mind rotting poison.*

If only they’d listened to Booker T. Washington, or had leadership like Conditions Rice’s parents... who told her she had to be twice as good. That’s wonderful leadership that would have bred a different and positive result.
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I'm not sure about Tone Talks and Yvette's rhetoric and promotion of Affirmative Action or even reparations. Though, they make some good arguments, and I'm probably more persuaded by their points about financial reparations (hell, Amerindians got them via legalized casino monopolies). Nonetheless, either way, I think Black-Americans can benefit from better assessing information the way they do. I'm a be frank and honest, both of them: Antonio Moore of Tone Talks and Yvette of Breaking Brown understand numbers, mathematics, far better than I do. They far more financially literate than I am too. I know a little but not a lot. And I'm very weak at math.

Yvette is unlike most black women (or women period) for that matter. Not only did a bust out laughing hysterically when she called P Diddy a "moron" in the video below, but my mouth almost dropped and hit the floor too. She called a rich and famous young man a moron. She was not dazzeled by his fame and riches. :shock: That is nearly unheard of for a woman. But she cracks me up calling some male posters "idiots" :lol: at times.


At roughly the 27 minute mark look at that diagram showing cities like Chicago, Philly, and St. Louis. Chi-town and St. Louis are particularly bad. At roughly the 37 minute mark she tears into the Black-American Baby Boomers. She is more harsh on them than I am. I just hate their constant self glorification of having saved Black-America as the whole damn thing crumbles apart. They have their bread and have given the middle finger to ll the younger generations. Not all of them of course but a damn lot. Always yapping on about some emotional BS about the Civil Rights marching. Like holding hands and telling each other "I like you" is liquid and can pay the rent on an apartment or duplex.








Video where Yvette calls P Diddy a "moron" :lamo:







*Though racism is a black mark on the history of many nations, in the end, out of serious misfortune and evil, the descendants were brought to a land which sets the high water mark for human rights... and one would think at some point a few leaders in that community would come out and tell them this is not 1960, it is 2017... you have a world of opportunity and make the most of it YOURSELF. Stop blaming others for history you cannot change. Stop poisoning each successive generation. It is your life now... make the most of it... the clock is ticking.
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No, it's institutional racism present in the various for-profit industries of the USA to this day. But even racist owners of industries would hire black Americans if Mexican and other immigrant labor weren't being used to replace them.

The Democrats love to appeal to emotions. Currently it is some fictional story they are selling about everyone holding hands and skipping together through a field of daisies in some hippie love harmony.

And the USA does not set any high water mark for human rights by example. That's some Republican talking point as much as fiction as the hippie love skipping the Democrats pitch. The reality is the USA not only has violent inner-city people (fueled by rage and despair) it has a very aggressive and violent police force. Does Canada and England have police forces gunning black men down, strangulating them to death, beating with batons, at the rate American cops do? The American police are arguably used (I'm sure most cops don't even realize it) by the political rulers of the city or state governments and the rich that finance them, to send a message to the poor in the inner-city that they better not get out of line. That's arguably why so many innocent (not the ones that attack cops or actually threaten them) black males (and whites) get gunned down by the cops. Which in part goes to their (the cops) training.
 
Grand Mal said:
It's early, but this post is the front-runner for dumbest post of the day.
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You didn't answer the question. Nor, give any facts to support your claim.
 
bluesmoke said:
You didn't answer the question. Nor, give any facts to support your claim.
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What claim? That your post was the dumbest of the day? I thought it was self-evident.
There's no way to answer you. I have no idea what you think Trump voters, majority or not, have to do with the topic. Your post was just too covered in dumb for any point to show through.
 
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