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US to lift ban on elephant hunting trophy imports

Diving Mullah

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It is always good to know we as country and humanbeings have regressed under the current administration

On a related note....

Wondering what kind of SubHuman, dickless being shoots an majestic endangered animal...not for food, but as a "Sport" then cut the animals tails and posses for photo in hopes of some sort of reprieve for being left over disgraded loins of another emotionally stunted human being?


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Diving Mullah
 
The only thing that changed is you can bring a trophy home. I think those hunters that shoot for sport suck but don't see this as big issue.
 
Where's the sport in shooting an elephant?
 
Where's the sport in shooting an elephant?

Well.. considering that they are one of the most dangerous game animals.. and you have to get very close and personal to be able to kill one. and you are only allowed to legally shoot certain animals that have will meet conservation goals.. its extremely challenging.

And quite frankly.. its the best thing for the species. That's been proven over and over again in Africa. And in America as well. Controlled hunting has brought many an animal on the brink of extinction back to healthy numbers.
 
Such a brave tough man killing a wild beast with only a high powered rifle with a scope.

If they want to hunt game they need to use handmade tools like long wood spears.

The Trumps are just all around deplorables.

wow.. so you prefer that the elephant suffer a slow, and agonizing death over days as the wounds from the spears, slowly weaken it and the wounds become infected? Why would you want the animal to suffer so much?

Its not like elephants have not been hunted in this manner (with spears). Usually it involved with the animal being surrounded and a poisoned spear thrown into the animals leg. the animal would be followed for days as the poison and blood loss slowly did their work.. until days later the animal finally sick, and in agony, keeled over. And often (if human hunters weren't close enough) .. to weak to defend itself.. scavengers like lions and hyenas or cape dogs would begin eating the elephant while it was still alive. Going for the tender belly. Then the hunters would follow the sounds of the scavengers and chase them off if they could and recover the meat, hide and tusks of the elephant.

That's what happens when elephants are hunted with spears. Why do you want them to suffer like that?
 
The Donald has frozen the reversal of the ban for now. Those elephants better get busy thanking him ASAP!
 
Well.. considering that they are one of the most dangerous game animals.. and you have to get very close and personal to be able to kill one. and you are only allowed to legally shoot certain animals that have will meet conservation goals.. its extremely challenging.

And quite frankly.. its the best thing for the species. That's been proven over and over again in Africa. And in America as well. Controlled hunting has brought many an animal on the brink of extinction back to healthy numbers.

There's no sport whatsoever in that. It takes a weak man to shoot an animal for sport.

If humans must kill to eat, that's one thing, but to see sport in the taking of another life, whether they view that life as dangerous or not, is the sign of warped mind.

Now, I would not oppose humans hunting other like-minded humans. Think about it -- now that would be a sport. A true sport because the "prey" could also use the same tracking and trickery to win. If I had an island -- no worries, I don't -- I'd be happy to donate it for the sport of hunter hunting hunters. Just think of the great trophy you could have stuffed above the fireplace1

And another upside would be ridding the world of a good number of sport hunters.

Win/win.
 
wow.. so you prefer that the elephant suffer a slow, and agonizing death over days as the wounds from the spears, slowly weaken it and the wounds become infected? Why would you want the animal to suffer so much?

Its not like elephants have not been hunted in this manner (with spears). Usually it involved with the animal being surrounded and a poisoned spear thrown into the animals leg. the animal would be followed for days as the poison and blood loss slowly did their work.. until days later the animal finally sick, and in agony, keeled over. And often (if human hunters weren't close enough) .. to weak to defend itself.. scavengers like lions and hyenas or cape dogs would begin eating the elephant while it was still alive. Going for the tender belly. Then the hunters would follow the sounds of the scavengers and chase them off if they could and recover the meat, hide and tusks of the elephant.

That's what happens when elephants are hunted with spears. Why do you want them to suffer like that?

Elephant poachers should be treated with the same kid gloves as rhino poachers.

Shoot poachers on sight. No questions asked. No defense needed.
 
The only thing that changed is you can bring a trophy home. I think those hunters that shoot for sport suck but don't see this as big issue.

If it was real sport the lion would have a gun too shoot back. Slaughtering animals for fun is rather deplorable, but look at who supports it. Need I say more.
 
I say give the animals guns, then we will see how many of the candy ass hunters would be looking for "trophys".
 
There's no sport whatsoever in that. It takes a weak man to shoot an animal for sport.

If humans must kill to eat, that's one thing, but to see sport in the taking of another life, whether they view that life as dangerous or not, is the sign of warped mind.

Now, I would not oppose humans hunting other like-minded humans. Think about it -- now that would be a sport. A true sport because the "prey" could also use the same tracking and trickery to win. If I had an island -- no worries, I don't -- I'd be happy to donate it for the sport of hunter hunting hunters. Just think of the great trophy you could have stuffed above the fireplace1

And another upside would be ridding the world of a good number of sport hunters.

Win/win.

Yeah.. so says a fellow that's never hunting dangerous game. or probably never hunted. There is definite skill in hunting an elephant. You have to go out day after day generally.. long hard days of walking, following elephant spoor.. and then when you find them.. generally its in very tough cover, and you have to stalk within basically maybe 50 yards or closer.. of one of the most dangerous of animals. While a herd.. with excellent hearing, excellent sense of smell.. and all capable of turning you into a bloody, muddy mess.. mills around. And then.. when and a huge IF you get close enough to the one animal that is appropriate to take.. then you have to be able to put a killing shot into an area not much bigger than a football, with your adrenaline pumping so hard that your hands shake.. And then hope its a clean kill and the rest of the herd doesn't decide to turn you into mush.
 
Elephant poachers should be treated with the same kid gloves as rhino poachers.

Shoot poachers on sight. No questions asked. No defense needed.


Just a side note...We were on our African Trip Trekking through Park looking for White Rhinos (Actually the not white, but Wide Mouth Rhino, I guess some white heard the word wide in African ascent and thought the word was white)...There these two Male Rhinos called Ben and Jerry...Jerry's mother was shot by poachers...So Ben took Jerry as an adopted Son. So the park rangers was saying one way they were considering to prevent Rhinos from being shot was to inject Poison into the Rhino's horn, which will not harm the animal but essentially the Rhino would worthless for Poachers... This idea has been met with huge resistance from "People" and lobbing groups who claim poisoning the horn could harm would be end customers!

Each Horn goes about 10 Grand in Chinese Market, one of uses for Rhino's horn is for food poisoning...oH...how delicious the Irony would have been!

So here we are!

Diving Mullah
 
There's no sport whatsoever in that. It takes a weak man to shoot an animal for sport.

If humans must kill to eat, that's one thing, but to see sport in the taking of another life, whether they view that life as dangerous or not, is the sign of warped mind.

Now, I would not oppose humans hunting other like-minded humans. Think about it -- now that would be a sport. A true sport because the "prey" could also use the same tracking and trickery to win. If I had an island -- no worries, I don't -- I'd be happy to donate it for the sport of hunter hunting hunters. Just think of the great trophy you could have stuffed above the fireplace1

And another upside would be ridding the world of a good number of sport hunters.

Win/win.



The venom and lack of understanding in this thread, towards hunters, is quite remarkable.

Specific to the hunting of elephants and lions,etc in Africa: I am given to understand that licensed legal hunters are only allowed to take animals that are sicky or are causing problems for humans in the area, or which are deemed to be "excess population" beyond what the area can easily support. The licenses and so forth are quite expensive and the money is used to fund conservation efforts in the region... indeed, it is my understanding many conservation parks could not exist without the funds provided by lawful hunters.

I am given to understand that the meat of the animal typically goes to the nearest village, at least in some countries, providing some relief from the lack of sustenance to which many African villages are subjected.

As for hunting in general, "sport" or otherwise... in America, hardly anyone hunts out of actual necessity. However, most hunters do use the meat. Offhand I don't know of anyone, even those who do take "trophies", who do not also keep and consume the meat, often giving some of it away to people they know.

Even with a rifle, hunting (under the rules as established by most States) is a challenge. To do so successfully requires knowledge of the area and the animal's habits, and may involve skills of tracking and stealth as well as marksmanship. Even veteran hunters come back empty-handed quite often, never having been able to generate an opportunity for a clean shot.


Given the relative lack of natural predators in North America, if it were not for hunters deer would overpopulate in many areas, stripping away edible plants and becoming even bigger garden/farm pests than they already are, and then starve to death unpleasantly by the hundreds of thousands, along with many other animals that depend on the same food sources.

Given the choice between slow starvation and a bullet, I know which I'd prefer.

And again, in America the licenses and fees hunters pay commonly go to help fund conservation and parks enjoyed by all.


This haste to damn all "sport" hunters is ill-considered.
 
Yeah.. so says a fellow that's never hunting dangerous game. or probably never hunted. There is definite skill in hunting an elephant. You have to go out day after day generally.. long hard days of walking, following elephant spoor.. and then when you find them.. generally its in very tough cover, and you have to stalk within basically maybe 50 yards or closer.. of one of the most dangerous of animals. While a herd.. with excellent hearing, excellent sense of smell.. and all capable of turning you into a bloody, muddy mess.. mills around. And then.. when and a huge IF you get close enough to the one animal that is appropriate to take.. then you have to be able to put a killing shot into an area not much bigger than a football, with your adrenaline pumping so hard that your hands shake.. And then hope its a clean kill and the rest of the herd doesn't decide to turn you into mush.

Nowadays you walk up to it's stall and blast away Trump-style.
 
Elephant poachers should be treated with the same kid gloves as rhino poachers.

Shoot poachers on sight. No questions asked. No defense needed.

I was not talking about poachers. That's how elephants were and in some places are still hunted by the indigenous population.

However, the single best thing that decreases poaching and poachers is controlled legalized hunting.
 
Such a brave tough man killing a wild beast with only a high powered rifle with a scope.

If they want to hunt game they need to use handmade tools like long wood spears.

The Trumps are just all around deplorables.

do you kill the hamburgers you eat with a club?
 
I say give the animals guns, then we will see how many of the candy ass hunters would be looking for "trophys".

do you eat meat?
 
I say give the animals guns, then we will see how many of the candy ass hunters would be looking for "trophys".

Why don't you explain to us the technical aspects of how that would work?
 
Nowadays you walk up to it's stall and blast away Trump-style.

Not credible. Certainly it does not describe the vast vast vast.. majority of hunting.
 
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