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False allegations of sexual abuse- The rise of the fine lie

HowardBThiname

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This rising trend has been the target of a peer-reviewed study, and, in light of other recently debunked accusations, it's likely to be the target of more in-depth studies.
False allegations of sexual abuse- The rise of the fine lie

This is what everyone who is so keen to jump on the bandwagon of "she wouldn't lie" is forgetting.

Sometimes -- she really does lie. Why? According to the study:

People may lie about sexual assaults for a variety of motives: to inflict harm on the accused and his family; as revenge for some perceived slight or failure; for monetary gain; to get out of trouble; to explain a pregnancy; to gain the upper hand in a custody dispute, or to fit in with a group that is making accusations against a particular person or institution (the “bandwagon effect”).

Engle and O’Donoghue call these secondary gains. It should also be recognized that people who start by lying may come to believe in their own stories.
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People can also develop false memories of abuse, for example as a result of contact with therapists, pressure from peers or from significant others (such as partners or parents), or even from reading stories in the media. There is not space here to discuss this important topic in detail.
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Perhaps those "significant others" also include societal pressure? Pressure from the Press? Partisan pressure?
 
Interestingly enough, the UK does not tolerate the lies like the US does.

Here, a US law professor claims that while false sexual allegations are punished harsly in the UK - the accusers are given little more than a slap on the wrist in the USA.

Does this lead to higher rates of false accusations in the US? It'd be interesting to find that out.

A US law professor, who will be speaking at the Commons, said the UK’s stance on false allegations is more aggressive than in countries such as the United States, Canada and Australia. Prof Lisa Avalos, of the University of Arkansas, said false allegations in the US were dealt with as a misdemeanour offence, not a felony – and most women were not jailed if found guilty.

“In the course of my research I have not found any country that pursues these cases against women rape complainants in the way the UK does. The UK has an unusual approach and I think their approach violates human rights,” she said.
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https://www.theguardian.com/law/2014/dec/01/109-women-prosecuted-false-rape-allegations

Note how the professor was more concerned that the liars be protected rather than the reputations of the men they destroyed with their lies.

Interesting, no?
 
HowardBThiname said:
Interestingly enough, the UK does not tolerate the lies like the US does.

Here, a US law professor claims that while false sexual allegations are punished harsly in the UK - the accusers are given little more than a slap on the wrist in the USA.

Does this lead to higher rates of false accusations in the US? It'd be interesting to find that out.


https://www.theguardian.com/law/2014/dec/01/109-women-prosecuted-false-rape-allegations

Note how the professor was more concerned that the liars be protected rather than the reputations of the men they destroyed with their lies.

Interesting, no?
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It is certainly an interesting position on Rule of Law.
 
False allegations of sexual abuse should of course be punished, but women who make allegations against men should not be accused of making false claims just because the man they're accusing belongs to the political party you support.
 
HowardBThiname said:
Interestingly enough, the UK does not tolerate the lies like the US does.

Here, a US law professor claims that while false sexual allegations are punished harsly in the UK - the accusers are given little more than a slap on the wrist in the USA.

Does this lead to higher rates of false accusations in the US? It'd be interesting to find that out.


https://www.theguardian.com/law/2014/dec/01/109-women-prosecuted-false-rape-allegations

Note how the professor was more concerned that the liars be protected rather than the reputations of the men they destroyed with their lies.

Interesting, no?
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Now that I think about it, didn't one of Moore's accusors actually work for the DNC. In fact I think she was an interpreter for Hillary at some point right?

All I am saying, is that it adds more then a little suspiciousness to the mess as well. Because we are not new to allegations of this coming out when a person runs for any political platform.
 
HowardBThiname said:
Interestingly enough, the UK does not tolerate the lies like the US does.

Here, a US law professor claims that while false sexual allegations are punished harsly in the UK - the accusers are given little more than a slap on the wrist in the USA.

Does this lead to higher rates of false accusations in the US? It'd be interesting to find that out.


https://www.theguardian.com/law/2014/dec/01/109-women-prosecuted-false-rape-allegations

Note how the professor was more concerned that the liars be protected rather than the reputations of the men they destroyed with their lies.

Interesting, no?
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I've heard many stories of lawyers telling women to lie in divorce proceedings.
 
Women are not punished for lying about men because being fair to men is not what is wanted, beating as many men as possible is what is wanted.

I blame both the feminists and the government for that.
 
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Oborosen said:
Now that I think about it, didn't one of Moore's accusors actually work for the DNC. In fact I think she was an interpreter for Hillary at some point right?

All I am saying, is that it adds more then a little suspiciousness to the mess as well. Because we are not new to allegations of this coming out when a person runs for any political platform.
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I'm suspicious as well. While I don't want to disregard any true accusations, as you say, it's common for these types of allegations to come out against someone when they run for office. I've not heard about one of Moore's accusers having worked for the DNC, but it wouldn't surprise me.
 
CletusWilbury said:
I've heard many stories of lawyers telling women to lie in divorce proceedings.
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I've heard similar things, and, in one case that happened locally about 10 years ago, the teen daughters from the wife's first marriage testified at trial to their step-father touching them on the crotch, etc. He was convicted and went to prison. A few years later, the two girls, now over 18, came back and confessed that their mother forced them to tell the lies. Their step-father was released, but he's never been the same. And, that was a case that actually went to trial - not just allegations.
 
HowardBThiname said:
....I've not heard about one of Moore's accusers having worked for the DNC, but it wouldn't surprise me.
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Deborah Gibson

One of Roy Moore's accusers worked as interpreter for Hillary Clinton campaign

Deborah Wesson Gibson, owner of the interpreting company Signs of Excellence, provided services for Clinton during her 2016 campaign, as well as working with former Democratic Vice President Joe Biden during other events. Photos posted to her company's social media site show her providing sign language services for Sen. Patrick Murphy and Sen. Bill Nelson, both Florida Democrats.

Gibson's company has offices in Florida and Alabama, providing sign language interpretation to businesses, politicians, governments and more.
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also see:
A Tone Deaf Attempt at Discrediting One of Roy Moore’s Accusers Red State, November 11, 2017

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The bottom line is that sign language interpretation is a service based on expertise, and is such a rare speciality — all the more so in Alabama — that providing such services to political candidates is not necessarily political.

Furthermore, because true fluency in sign language is so rare, it is an ethical standard among the interpreter community to not turn down requests for services simply because the interpreter disagrees with the client or their message. The interpreter’s duty is to serve the deaf community and provide them access to understand events that they would not be able to without the interpretation assistance.
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I'll agree it is very doubtful she's a Trump supporter.
 
Do you have any proof that these women are lying, or are you just creating that narrative because the accused man is from the party you support?
 
HowardBThiname said:
I'm suspicious as well. While I don't want to disregard any true accusations, as you say, it's common for these types of allegations to come out against someone when they run for office. I've not heard about one of Moore's accusers having worked for the DNC, but it wouldn't surprise me.
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I was able to pull this up, and yes it was an interpreter that she was hired to be.
One of Roy Moore's accusers worked as interpreter for Hillary Clinton campaign | AL.com

I also found one other article by FoxNews as well, though this works fine.
 
Aristaeus said:
Do you have any proof that these women are lying, or are you just creating that narrative because the accused man is from the party you support?
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No, I think its because the burden of proof is with the accuser, not the other way around.

Self testimony is poor enough proof as it is.
 
HowardBThiname said:
I've heard similar things, and, in one case that happened locally about 10 years ago, the teen daughters from the wife's first marriage testified at trial to their step-father touching them on the crotch, etc. He was convicted and went to prison. A few years later, the two girls, now over 18, came back and confessed that their mother forced them to tell the lies. Their step-father was released, but he's never been the same. And, that was a case that actually went to trial - not just allegations.
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And of course the woman wasn't prosecuted for lying.

A good friend of mine's ex told the court he used heroin, which was a total fabrication. He was told by his lawyer that kind of thing happens often, nothing the men can do about it.
 
Oborosen said:
No, I think its because the burden of proof is with the accuser, not the other way around.

Self testimony is poor enough proof as it is.
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But the OP is claiming these are false allegations. Do you have any evidence that these women are making false allegations?
 
Aristaeus said:
Do you have any proof that these women are lying, or are you just creating that narrative because the accused man is from the party you support?
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I should explain myself here. I agree with the point of this OP, but I think the evidence against Moore is overwhelming. Even Sean Hannity agrees. (Can't find it, but saw it on Hannity last night)
 
Aristaeus said:
But the OP is claiming these are false allegations. Do you have any evidence that these women are making false allegations?
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I didn't read that, the OP is generally talking about the reasons people lie.
I'm looking at the 2nd post, liars are not prosecuted here in the US like they are in the UK.
 
Aristaeus said:
Do you have any proof that these women are lying, or are you just creating that narrative because the accused man is from the party you support?
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Of course he doesnt. On the other hand, Moore's comments with regards to Hannity's questions were almost self incriminating.
 
CletusWilbury said:
I didn't read that, the OP is generally talking about the reasons people lie.
I'm looking at the 2nd post, liars are not prosecuted here in the US like they are in the UK.
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It's not a coincidence that the OP started a thread about women making false accusations at a time when a Republican politician is facing accusations.
 
Aristaeus said:
It's not a coincidence that the OP started a thread about women making false accusations at a time when a Republican politician is facing accusations.
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Oh, it's clearly not a coincidence. Carry on.
 
Aristaeus said:
But the OP is claiming these are false allegations. Do you have any evidence that these women are making false allegations?
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As long as they have no proof to support these allegations, then they shall remain as such.

The flat definition of Allegation, is basically an accusation of criminal/illegal behavior, usually without proof.
 
CletusWilbury said:
And of course the woman wasn't prosecuted for lying.

A good friend of mine's ex told the court he used heroin, which was a total fabrication. He was told by his lawyer that kind of thing happens often, nothing the men can do about it.
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And some wonder why the average person is so skeptical when these types of allegations arise.

It's incredible how low some folks will stoop.
 
HowardBThiname said:
Well, isn't that interesting? A Hillary campaigner making accusations against a conservative GOP candidate.

Fascinating.
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Someone who works for a sign language interpreting company hired by a canpaign is now a “campaigner”?
 
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