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Former Asst. FBI Director: Clinton Crimes 20 Times Bigger than Watergate

MovingPictures said:
Let me help you out. These are the the laws the Bush WH were breaking. Please read up them, or you'll just keep sounding ignorant to everyone you debate.

Presidential Record Act.
https://www.archives.gov/presidential-libraries/laws/1978-act.html

Hatch act
https://osc.gov/Pages/HatchAct.aspx




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You should reserve your face palm for yourself. I already posted everything i needed to in order to refute what you said.
Now you are moving the goal posts because your first set of arguments fell flat on their face. why can't you just admit that your
first set of arguments were wrong because you didn't do your research into the matter?

now you are bringing up completely irrelevant material because your previous arguments were refuted. this is what we refer to as moving the goal posts.

also this posts deals with nothing that we were responding too so there is a strawman argument in there as well.
 
FreedomFromAll said:
We have to wait since we are just bystanders. But we can vote. Its our votes that the corrupted depend on. Clinton lost, one down, Trump should not be president anymore than Clinton. That is if your anti-corruption line isnt biased towards Trump or the Republican party.
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I still withhold judgment on that, seeing as we haven't been given real evidence that its Trump who is corrupt. Even with the current investigation sitting as it is, none of it is even getting close to touching him. Despite how hard I have seen people try to desperately link such a thing.
 
Oborosen said:
I still withhold judgment on that, seeing as we haven't been given real evidence that its Trump who is corrupt. Even with the current investigation sitting as it is, none of it is even getting close to touching him. Despite how hard I have seen people try to desperately link such a thing.
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Isn't that something....compared to rest of the Elite Class Trump runs a fairly clean shop by all evidence, and yet they have worked to tar and feather him as corrupt and far too many idiots have bought into that...

I mean he could be, but I need to see the proof first, and no one ever has any though they sure do keep insisting that he is SO BAD.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Isn't that something....compared to rest of the Elite Class Trump runs a fairly clean shop by all evidence, and yet they have worked to tar and feather him as corrupt and far too many idiots have bought into that...

I mean he could be, but I need to see the proof first, and no one ever has any though they sure do keep insisting that he is SO BAD.
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No, clean shop wouldn't really cut it IMO. I mean what he has going might be underhanded at the very most, because after running a business as long as he has. You can bet that he has something going that is just barely cuts under the goal for breaking some sort of law. We all know about plenty of businesses, that must be doing things just like that.

It would be a safe bet at least.
 
Oborosen said:
No, clean shop wouldn't really cut it IMO. I mean what he has going might be underhanded at the very most, because after running a business as long as he has. You can bet that he has something going that is just barely cuts under the goal for breaking some sort of law. We all know about plenty of businesses, that must be doing things just like that.

It would be a safe bet at least.
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Well sure, the Justice System is crap and Trump has a ton of energy and always wants to give an idea a try to see how it turns out because that is where a lot of the fun is and this is how he likes to learn...... by doing........ he is convinced that it can be as good as book learning but no one believes him, nor gives him any credit for trying, not even now after he has made fools of the entire political establishment.

Pinning crimes on Trump is like Pin the Tail on the Donkey....childs play.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Well sure, the Justice System is crap and Trump has a ton of energy and always wants to give an idea a try to see how it turns out because that is where a lot of the fun is and this is how he likes to learn...... by doing........ he is convinced that it can be as good as book learning but no one believes him, nor gives him any credit for trying, not even now after he has made fools of the entire political establishment.

Pinning crimes on Trump is like Pin the Tail on the Donkey....childs play.
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Now if only the DNC can stop taking four shots, and spinning before attempting to play. We can have this little game go off with less of an embarrassment to them in retrospect.
 
Oborosen said:
I still withhold judgment on that, seeing as we haven't been given real evidence that its Trump who is corrupt. Even with the current investigation sitting as it is, none of it is even getting close to touching him. Despite how hard I have seen people try to desperately link such a thing.
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Yet the investigation goes on and isnt anywhere near over. Hell by historical comparison the investigation just barely started. Seems a bit early to be touting that there isnt any evidence/connections and what not. The only reason that you are making that point, is wishful thinking or something along those lines. My assertions (about trump) are that he seems guilty as hell, and given that he is a crooked business man its only a matter of time before he busted for something. As far as Trump/Russia goes I think the most likely scenario is that Russia trolled and has been trolling Trump. And it would seem that Trump was stupid enough to get tangled up in it. Trump probably thought that he was smart and could play it to his advantage instead of coming forward and exposing Russia for their deeds. By now he has realized that it wasnt as simple as he thought. The only thing that he can do now is deny everything (which seems to be denying the facts as well). There really isnt a good end plan for him. All he can do is delay as much as he can. I doubt though that he delay until the next election.
 
FreedomFromAll said:
Yet the investigation goes on and isnt anywhere near over. Hell by historical comparison the investigation just barely started. Seems a bit early to be touting that there isnt any evidence/connections and what not. The only reason that you are making that point, is wishful thinking or something along those lines. My assertions (about trump) are that he seems guilty as hell, and given that he is a crooked business man its only a matter of time before he busted for something. As far as Trump/Russia goes I think the most likely scenario is that Russia trolled and has been trolling Trump. And it would seem that Trump was stupid enough to get tangled up in it. Trump probably thought that he was smart and could play it to his advantage instead of coming forward and exposing Russia for their deeds. By now he has realized that it wasnt as simple as he thought. The only thing that he can do now is deny everything (which seems to be denying the facts as well). There really isnt a good end plan for him. All he can do is delay as much as he can. I doubt though that he delay until the next election.
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That is a safe bet, though I am just going from all of the usual crap that gets leveled at him, and no one tends to actually throw evidence into the mix. We have seen tons of accusations leveled his way from everything in the DNC to the MsM, and barely any of it has any legitimacy. Though it doesn't help when they try so hard in the course of trying to stick it to the man, that they end up burying themselves in trouble.
 
Oborosen said:
That is a safe bet, though I am just going from all of the usual crap that gets leveled at him, and no one tends to actually throw evidence into the mix. We have seen tons of accusations leveled his way from everything in the DNC to the MsM, and barely any of it has any legitimacy. Though it doesn't help when they try so hard in the course of trying to stick it to the man, that they end up burying themselves in trouble.
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Regardless of the hyper partisan bickering there are still investigations going on. Any argument against those investigations is nothing but an excuse. I say this since a decision either way at this point is not legitimate. Though it is legitimate to observe the facts as they stand so far. If the question is if Trump is a traitor or whatever, then you would be correct to say we do not have the evidence at this point to make that claim. But given some of the evidence it doesnt look good for Trump. It would seem that Trumps biggest defense is naivety and outright stupidity. Trumps latest assertion that he believed Putins excuse, would seem to show that naivety and stupidity. Which leaves us with a president that is at best an idiot that doesnt know enough about the job to actually do it or at worst a traitor. So the president is stupid or working with the enemy, either outcome is bad.

ANd at this point if you do not at least think that Trump is a bad President you have not been paying attention. And that has nothing to with hyper partisan democrats.
 
FreedomFromAll said:
Regardless of the hyper partisan bickering there are still investigations going on. Any argument against those investigations is nothing but an excuse. I say this since a decision either way at this point is not legitimate. Though it is legitimate to observe the facts as they stand so far. If the question is if Trump is a traitor or whatever, then you would be correct to say we do not have the evidence at this point to make that claim. But given some of the evidence it doesnt look good for Trump. It would seem that Trumps biggest defense is naivety and outright stupidity. Trumps latest assertion that he believed Putins excuse, would seem to show that naivety and stupidity. Which leaves us with a president that is at best an idiot that doesnt know enough about the job to actually do it or at worst a traitor. So the president is stupid or working with the enemy, either outcome is bad.

ANd at this point if you do not at least think that Trump is a bad President you have not been paying attention. And that has nothing to with hyper partisan democrats.
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I have no problem with his actions as president at this point, though in retrospect I voted for Obama, and was thoroughly disappointed by the end of his first term. Which forced me to vote third party in the following election. So in that vein of thought I will wait until the man is out of office to render my final judgment on his presidency.
 
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