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Will GOP go along with anything their people have done to get tax cuts done?

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The GOP went along with a presidential candidate who told us out loud that he sexually harassed women and probably helped the Russians to get elected. Now they are telling us that they will back Moore in Alabama. Why you ask would they back this man and tell us it couldn't be true even though the facts point to it as being the real thing? Because they need that to be a GOP vote to be able to pass their tax cuts for the top 1%. Without that vote the tax cut may go down and as one of the GOPer's said, our donors have said if you don't pass this tax cut bill, don't call again. And who will get hurt with this tax cut, well for one many middle income tax earners. And after complaining for years about the deficit, this tax cut will increase it by as much as 1.5 trillion dollars. And once again the GOP land us with trickle down economics in the form of a tax break for the wealthy. Now how has that worked in the past, well the last such tax cut put us into a very deep recession. Sounds like insanity to me.
 
independentusa said:
The GOP went along with a presidential candidate who told us out loud that he sexually harassed women
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Let me just stop you right there. We didn't "go along" with any such thing. Don't be ridiculous. Just because we don't buy into the mischaracterizations and hyperbole, doesn't mean we condone such things. On the contrary, we do a pretty good job of policing ourselves. It is the Democrat party who condones the abhorrent actions of its leadership. Has there been any call for Bob Menendez to step down? Did I miss it? Give me a break already. :roll:
 
It sounds like insanity because the purpose of this effort has always been to cut taxes for the wealthy, and every other concern is secondary to that goal.

The challenge is to make it sufficiently palatable to pass without massive public outcry.

In the case of Moore, I've heard even most GOP pols hate the $@#%@!%, but they'd back Satan himself rather than fail to carry out their sponsors' wishes.
 
countryboy said:
Let me just stop you right there. We didn't "go along" with any such thing. Don't be ridiculous. Just because we don't buy into the mischaracterizations and hyperbole, doesn't mean we condone such things. On the contrary, we do a pretty good job of policing ourselves. It is the Democrat party who condones the abhorrent actions of its leadership.
Has there been any call for Bob Menendez to step down?
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Did I miss it? Give me a break already. :roll:
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Weeeellll, Bob didn't have sex with under age American girls, ya see. That's the test. They warn't American. Them girls was some kinda Voodoo Island third worlders. Besides, Bob's a vote we can count on, pedo-whatever or not. Big difference.
 
countryboy said:
Let me just stop you right there. We didn't "go along" with any such thing. Don't be ridiculous. Just because we don't buy into the mischaracterizations and hyperbole, doesn't mean we condone such things. On the contrary, we do a pretty good job of policing ourselves. It is the Democrat party who condones the abhorrent actions of its leadership. Has there been any call for Bob Menendez to step down? Did I miss it? Give me a break already. :roll:
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Exactly which Democrat's behavior even came close to the Trump administration's collusion with Russia in order to influence our election? And before you tell me "no collusion", remember that Trump said that no one in his administration had any contacts or meetings with Russians, and so far we know of nine who have done so. There is not a single scandal in all American history (with the exception of Aaron Burr's attempted treason) that even comes close. Y'all are taking his word over that of the FBI, CIA, NSA, and other intelligence agencies.

Remember, this collusion with Russia is with a nation who is led by an ex-KGB colonel...and this old Cold Warrior remembers too much of the Cold War to trust any former KGB member with our nation's well-being.

No sir, the fact that y'all elected Trump shows that y'all haven't done a good job of "policing yourselves" at all.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
Exactly which Democrat's behavior even came close to the Trump administration's collusion with Russia in order to influence our election?
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There still has yet to be any evidence of Trump/Russia collusion, and plenty of evidence of Hillary-DNC/Russia collusion. Why does Hillary get a pass?
 
Idk about Russia and collusion, but I do know this.

Simply put, Republican's answer to everything is to just cut more taxes and get people to work 2 jobs. Work twice as long, get twice the in-house training, spend twice the amount of gas/energy for the SAME amount of pay as a FT job. God help you if one PT job is in one town and another is in another town.

Tax cuts should be done to reward companies, but what have they done? The only viable jobs there are, are jobs like doctors, lawyering or mashing buttons on a calculator all day. And surprise surprise, that would take a 4 year college degree. So you go into debt because your dad isn't Donald Trump or the CEO of McDonald's, you get out and you see.. that company that PROMISED to create jobs, just sent your job to New Delhi.

They sent all of our good factory paying jobs overseas to Jose in Mexico, Ching Chong in China. They automate everything they can and then keep people perpetually PT or TEMP.

The school of thought is, less tax burden, they reinvest and create more jobs. Thing is, they've pocketed their tax savings, sent our jobs overseas to make THAT much more profit and sold America down the river in the process. Bribing politicians etc etc. All the while perpetuating the myth of the American Dream. Where if you work hard, you can make it.

Thing is, companies now hire ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS because they can pay them less and make a bit more profit, so legal Americans are now getting flushed down the ****ter and these damn big wig elites keep telling the American people: just work harder. Just get more skills. Get more education.

You get more education, then they say we want experience. Because experience is TRENDY now. Education became uncool. So you get experience..and they tell you, we want someone with 8 years of a nice fancy college DEGREE.

This is just ping ponging the average person all for political brownie points. And I'm god damned sick of it.

Conservatives, those same ones, just tell people who are looking for a FT job that they are looking for handouts. That they are asking too much.

Tax cuts aren't the answer. In the 50's we had unions, companies had to pay pensions and the minimum wage was equivalent to $10 an hour (in the 60's it was at least). Taxes were enormously high and look what happened. An economic *BOOM* for the middle class.

Don't expect modern day neo-Con Republicans to actually make America great again though. Tax cuts didn't make us great, tax hikes and a more level playing field for workers; that made us great.

But the media just rants and raves about Muh Russia. Trump rants about Muh Faketh Newsth. The average man and woman are getting completely SCREWED either way.
 
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countryboy said:
There still has yet to be any evidence of Trump/Russia collusion, and plenty of evidence of Hillary-DNC/Russia collusion. Why does Hillary get a pass?
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Trump claimed there were no meetings or contacts between his team and the Russians. So far we know of nine who did so...some of whom (like the freaking attorney general) lied before Congress about the meetings.

But y'all claim it's just a nothingburger....

And when it comes to Hillary, y'all lost any expectation of holding her accountable after conducting eight - EIGHT - separate federal investigations of her actions for Benghazi...most of the investigations were held by the House GOP Benghazi committee, and ALL the investigations found zero wrongdoing on her part...yet almost any conservative you ask will claim that she's guilty as sin when it comes to Benghazi. What is that - octuple jeopardy? The point is, when y'all decided to conduct a REAL witch-hunt having already assumed she's guilty, and repeatedly did so no matter how many times y'all found no wrongdoing, you lost all credibility when it came to accusing her of anything else.
 
Of course. Right now Republicans are all-in with this scorched earth, ends-justify-the-means approach. If it works they figure, then so be it...Dems could do it too if they wanted.
That's how they rationalize it.

They better enjoy it while it lasts I suppose.
 
This is mainly left wing nutter nonsense, but even if it was a tax cut for the "rich" how does it hurt middle income workers ?


independentusa said:
The GOP went along with a presidential candidate who told us out loud that he sexually harassed women and probably helped the Russians to get elected. Now they are telling us that they will back Moore in Alabama. Why you ask would they back this man and tell us it couldn't be true even though the facts point to it as being the real thing? Because they need that to be a GOP vote to be able to pass their tax cuts for the top 1%. Without that vote the tax cut may go down and as one of the GOPer's said, our donors have said if you don't pass this tax cut bill, don't call again. And who will get hurt with this tax cut, well for one many middle income tax earners. And after complaining for years about the deficit, this tax cut will increase it by as much as 1.5 trillion dollars. And once again the GOP land us with trickle down economics in the form of a tax break for the wealthy. Now how has that worked in the past, well the last such tax cut put us into a very deep recession. Sounds like insanity to me.
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NerosGold said:
Idk about Russia and collusion, but I do know this.

Simply put, Republican's answer to everything is to just cut more taxes and get people to work 2 jobs. Work twice as long, get twice the in-house training, spend twice the amount of gas/energy for the SAME amount of pay as a FT job. God help you if one PT job is in one town and another is in another town.

Tax cuts should be done to reward companies, but what have they done? The only viable jobs there are, are jobs like doctors, lawyering or mashing buttons on a calculator all day. And surprise surprise, that would take a 4 year college degree. So you go into debt because your dad isn't Donald Trump or the CEO of McDonald's, you get out and you see.. that company that PROMISED to create jobs, just sent your job to New Delhi.

They sent all of our good factory paying jobs overseas to Jose in Mexico, Ching Chong in China. They automate everything they can and then keep people perpetually PT or TEMP.

The school of thought is, less tax burden, they reinvest and create more jobs. Thing is, they've pocketed their tax savings, sent our jobs overseas to make THAT much more profit and sold America down the river in the process. Bribing politicians etc etc. All the while perpetuating the myth of the American Dream. Where if you work hard, you can make it.

Thing is, companies now hire ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS because they can pay them less and make a bit more profit, so legal Americans are now getting flushed down the ****ter and these damn big wig elites keep telling the American people: just work harder. Just get more skills. Get more education.

You get more education, then they say we want experience. Because experience is TRENDY now. Education became uncool. So you get experience..and they tell you, we want someone with 8 years of a nice fancy college DEGREE.

This is just ping ponging the average person all for political brownie points. And I'm god damned sick of it.

Conservatives, those same ones, just tell people who are looking for a FT job that they are looking for handouts. That they are asking too much.

Tax cuts aren't the answer. In the 50's we had unions, companies had to pay pensions and the minimum wage was equivalent to $10 an hour (in the 60's it was at least). Taxes were enormously high and look what happened. An economic *BOOM* for the middle class.

Don't expect modern day neo-Con Republicans to actually make America great again though. Tax cuts didn't make us great, tax hikes and a more level playing field for workers; that made us great.

But the media just rants and raves about Muh Russia. Trump rants about Muh Faketh Newsth. The average man and woman are getting completely SCREWED either way.
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And companies made zero profit because any money earned had to go back into labor costs and high confiscatory taxation. Hell, the lunatic Left would want the "evuull" rich and companies to pay a 100% tax rate, if they could.
 
TobyOne said:
This is mainly left wing nutter nonsense, but even if it was a tax cut for the "rich" how does it hurt middle income workers ?
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According to the preliminary report, in 2018 the top one percent of taxpayers — those making more than $730,000 — would receive 22 percent of the total cuts, or an average tax cut of $37,000. Middle income families (those making between about $48,000 and $86,000) would receive an average tax cut of $700 next year.

Across the board, tax cuts in the bill would increase overall after-tax income by 1.5 percent next year, the report found, although it notes that the greatest benefits would go to would go to those with higher incomes.

Some taxpayers, however, would pay more under the plan, a fact that has dogged Trump administration officials since they began the push for tax reform earlier this year. The new TPC analysis found that 12 percent of taxpayers would pay more in taxes next year.

By 2027, the number of taxpayers who would pay more jumps to 28 percent, or nearly one in three households. This is due to a combination of factors, including the expiration of a proposed $300 family credit and the way certain credits are indexed for inflation.

The Republican backed bill would accrue even more benefits to the top one percent of taxpayers in 2027 than it would in 2018, the report found: As much as 50 percent of the total tax benefits, or an average increase in after-tax income of 2.2 percent.

Also not to mention of talk to reduce you property tax and mortgage tax credit also to reduce your pre-tax deposit of $18000 into 401k to only $2000.00

Republicans need to raise about 2 Trillion to pay for these tax cuts...gets who they will siphon it from

Oh one other thing...they will also provide tax exemption to Golf Course owners....Do you know anyone in the White house who owns golf courses?

House Republicans argue that the JCT analysis undercounts the benefits to the middle class.

“The purpose of tax reform isn’t just to lower taxes for struggling families – it’s also to make our economy boom again,” said the Republican-led House Ways and Means Committee in a statement Saturday. “Unfortunately, JCT’s analysis omits the economic effects of tax reform in their distributional tables. This means that the JCT analysis misses the bigger picture.”

So Essentially another failed attempt at supply side economic....38 after it was introduced and 38 years of consecutive failure of supply side economics...Republican Plan...Hey, I have a new Idea...Lets try the supply side economic agian!

This one trick pony has been dead for 38 years, let it rest in peace.

Diving Mullah
 
independentusa said:
The GOP went along with a presidential candidate who told us out loud that he sexually harassed women and probably helped the Russians to get elected. Now they are telling us that they will back Moore in Alabama. Why you ask would they back this man and tell us it couldn't be true even though the facts point to it as being the real thing? Because they need that to be a GOP vote to be able to pass their tax cuts for the top 1%. Without that vote the tax cut may go down and as one of the GOPer's said, our donors have said if you don't pass this tax cut bill, don't call again. And who will get hurt with this tax cut, well for one many middle income tax earners. And after complaining for years about the deficit, this tax cut will increase it by as much as 1.5 trillion dollars. And once again the GOP land us with trickle down economics in the form of a tax break for the wealthy. Now how has that worked in the past, well the last such tax cut put us into a very deep recession. Sounds like insanity to me.
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These guys jumped ship. The first of many, I imagine:

Two Republican senators withdrew their endorsements of Roy Moore on Friday evening, becoming the first prominent politicians to drop their support for the Alabama Republican nominee in the U.S. Senate race.

Sens. Steve Daines (Mont.) and Mike Lee (Utah) announced their decision Friday evening.
 
countryboy said:
Let me just stop you right there. We didn't "go along" with any such thing. Don't be ridiculous. Just because we don't buy into the mischaracterizations and hyperbole, doesn't mean we condone such things. On the contrary, we do a pretty good job of policing ourselves. It is the Democrat party who condones the abhorrent actions of its leadership. Has there been any call for Bob Menendez to step down? Did I miss it? Give me a break already. :roll:
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So you are thus admitting that you are okay with Moore. And trying to deflect by pointing over there instead of what we are talking about doesn't work any more.
 
TobyOne said:
This is mainly left wing nutter nonsense, but even if it was a tax cut for the "rich" how does it hurt middle income workers ?
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Have you actullay been listening to what the cut includes. It will hurt about half the middle class wiithin a year or two.
 
The GOP is under a lot of pressure from there weallthy donors to get the tax cuts passed. As for that report on the middle class paying more tax, that is how it works in the swamp.
 
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