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Carter Page admits discussions with Russian officials.

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This may tell the story of how involved the Trump campaign were or weren't with Russian efforts to undermine the election.

Carter Page met with Russian officials on 2016 trip: report

Carter Page met with Russian officials on 2016 trip: report | TheHill
Carter Page, a former foreign policy adviser to President Trump’s election campaign, met Russian government officials on a trip to the country during the campaign last year, according to a Friday report.

The New York Times reports that Page testified to House investigators that he met with Russian government officials during his trip to Russia in July 2016.

Page then reportedly emailed a Trump campaign aide about the contents of the meetings, a source familiar with the message told The Times.

Page told The Times that he did meet with Russian officials, but said the meeting was “brief.”
“I had a very brief hello to a couple of people. That was it,” Page told The Times. He also told the newspaper that he met with one “senior person,” but refused to reveal that person’s identity.

Page had previously denied meeting with Russian officials on the trip.
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My hunch remains that whatever Page was up to, it involved being compensated for his time financially -- like Flynn and Manafort. These kind of people would not pass on an opportunity to cash in for work in the Trump campaign.

We'll see.;)
 
MovingPictures said:
This may tell the story of how involved the Trump campaign were or weren't with Russian efforts to undermine the election.

Carter Page met with Russian officials on 2016 trip: report

Carter Page met with Russian officials on 2016 trip: report | TheHill


My hunch remains that whatever Page was up to, it involved being compensated for his time financially -- like Flynn and Manafort. These kind of people would not pass on an opportunity to cash in for work in the Trump campaign.

We'll see.;)
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Ultimately, they conspired to get stolen emails. That's accessory after the fact. Like Nixon, Trump involved himself in a break-in and covered it up.
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
Ultimately, they conspired to get stolen emails. That's accessory after the fact. Like Nixon, Trump involved himself in a break-in and covered it up.
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My intuition is that Sessions recused himself because he knew Page was going to become a target of an investigation, and his role in bringing Page into the campaign would be a story in itself.

I think Page will end up being another Flynn. I could be completely wrong, but it's what I suspect.
 
MovingPictures said:
This may tell the story of how involved the Trump campaign were or weren't with Russian efforts to undermine the election.

Carter Page met with Russian officials on 2016 trip: report

Carter Page met with Russian officials on 2016 trip: report | TheHill

Carter Page, a former foreign policy adviser to President Trump’s election campaign, met Russian government officials on a trip to the country during the campaign last year, according to a Friday report.

Page told The Times that he did meet with Russian officials, but said the meeting was “brief.”

“I had a very brief hello to a couple of people. That was it,” Page told The Times. He also told the newspaper that he met with one “senior person,” but refused to reveal that person’s identity.

Page had previously denied meeting with Russian officials on the trip.
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IMO (since we are offering opinions here) when ones goes on a trip to a foreign country in a political or business capacity (not simply tourism), then one is bound to encounter "officials" whose jobs are to regulate business or monitor political activities (like speeches).

That does not mean such contact equates to either working for foreign interests as a "foreign agent," or plotting to engage in espionage on behalf of the foreign government. (Mr. Flynn and Mr. Manafort's examples notwithstanding.)

While anything is possible, IMO this bent to label any meeting evidence of criminal intent is ludicrous. :coffeepap:
 
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Captain Adverse said:
IMO (since we are offering opinions here) when ones goes on a trip to a foreign country in a political or business capacity (not simply tourism), then one is bound to encounter "officials" whose jobs are to regulate business or monitor political activities (like speeches).

That does not mean such contact equates to either working for foreign interests as a "foreign agent," or plotting to engage in espionage on behalf of the foreign government. (Mr. Flynn and Mr. Manafort's examples notwithstanding.)

While anything is possible, IMO this bent to label any meeting evidence of criminal intent is ludicrous. :coffeepap:
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Why believe him at this point? His original statements are completely at odds with what we now know. Page is not coming clean because he chose to do so, he's coming clean because the FBI figured out that his public statements weren't true.

Same thing happened with Sessions. He gave false testimony for as long as he could until the real story came out. Kushner and Flynn falsified government documents about their foreign contacts and payments in a way that was without a doubt intentional, and Flynn lied to the FBI when interviewed. They all lie first, then come clean when the evidence proves they weren't telling the truth.

While it might not be a crime to lie in public, it is a very serious crime to give false statements to law enforcement, in government forms, or in front of a grand jury.
 
MovingPictures said:
Why believe him at this point? His original statements are completely at odds with what we now know. Page is not coming clean because he chose to do so, he's coming clean because the FBI figured out that his public statements weren't true.

Same thing happened with Sessions. He gave false testimony for as long as he could until the real story came out. Kushner and Flynn falsified government documents about their foreign contacts and payments in a way that was without a doubt intentional, and Flynn lied to the FBI when interviewed. They all lie first, then come clean when the evidence proves they weren't telling the truth.

While it might not be a crime to lie in public, it is a very serious crime to give false statements to law enforcement, in government forms, or in front of a grand jury.
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Umm...you mean those original statements in the CBS News article I posted?

Seems that his testimony was about the same.

Accrording to this CNN article:

"I (Page) don't make anything sinister out of it. He said Sessions did not react or comment one way or the other," Conaway said in an interview. "If I were Sessions, I wouldn't have recalled it either. It was just in passing. He was walking out of the room. A guy he had never met before, grabs him, 'Hey, I'm out on the team. I changed my travel plans to go to Russia.'"
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Carter Page testifies he told Sessions about Russia trip - CNNPolitics

The funny thing about so many of the rants and allegations of "lying," is that so many people seem to credit Session's and other alleged "co-conspirators" with some kind of photographic memory...attributing massive powers of recollection that none of us share.

If you can't remember something said in passing days, weeks, or months in the past, why do you assume anyone else can?
 
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Captain Adverse said:
IMO (since we are offering opinions here) when ones goes on a trip to a foreign country in a political or business capacity (not simply tourism), then one is bound to encounter "officials" whose jobs are to regulate business or monitor political activities (like speeches).

That does not mean such contact equates to either working for foreign interests as a "foreign agent," or plotting to engage in espionage on behalf of the foreign government. (Mr. Flynn and Mr. Manafort's examples notwithstanding.)

While anything is possible, IMO this bent to label any meeting evidence of criminal intent is ludicrous. :coffeepap:
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How many people and how many times do we need to catch Trump people in lies about their contacts with Russians before we no longer give them the benefit of the doubt? It seems your generosity is endless. Are telling lies to the FBI and Congress just normal behavior now?
 
MovingPictures said:
This may tell the story of how involved the Trump campaign were or weren't with Russian efforts to undermine the election.

Carter Page met with Russian officials on 2016 trip: report

Carter Page met with Russian officials on 2016 trip: report | TheHill


My hunch remains that whatever Page was up to, it involved being compensated for his time financially -- like Flynn and Manafort. These kind of people would not pass on an opportunity to cash in for work in the Trump campaign.

We'll see.;)
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In the end, "discussions" aren't "collusion," and campaign members are going to do their level best to ensure that their candidate wins. None of that is illegal.

The only illegal thing that happened was the hacking, which is a cyber crime, but if Russia hacked the DNC, they'd have to prove that the Trump campaign paid them to do so and that's highly unlikely.

You can have American campaign personnel chatting with Russian officials and everyone wanting to dig up dirt on Hillary and it still won't amount to an actual crime.

The only charges to date don't even relate to campaign activities, meaning this is still a big old nothingburger.
 
iguanaman said:
How many people and how many times do we need to catch Trump people in lies about their contacts with Russians before we no longer give them the benefit of the doubt? It seems your generosity is endless. Are telling lies to the FBI and Congress just normal behavior now?
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Been that way since the Clinton's hit D.C.
 
HowardBThiname said:
In the end, "discussions" aren't "collusion," and campaign members are going to do their level best to ensure that their candidate wins. None of that is illegal.

The only illegal thing that happened was the hacking, which is a cyber crime, but if Russia hacked the DNC, they'd have to prove that the Trump campaign paid them to do so and that's highly unlikely.

You can have American campaign personnel chatting with Russian officials and everyone wanting to dig up dirt on Hillary and it still won't amount to an actual crime.

The only charges to date don't even relate to campaign activities, meaning this is still a big old nothingburger.
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They (the special counsel) do not have to prove the campaign compensated Russia in any way at all for it to be a crime.

Just the fact that campaign members were soliciting hackers (Russian or not) on the dark web for stolen emails to use in an October surprise is what's referred to as conspiracy against the US. Doesn't matter they didn't do themselves, nor that it never panned out.

Encouraging, aiding, or covering for others in their part in a crime makes one an accessory to it. In court of law that's a big cheeseburger, with bacon and extra fries.

Can't believe I had to explain this to an adult.
 
HowardBThiname said:
In the end, "discussions" aren't "collusion," and campaign members are going to do their level best to ensure that their candidate wins. None of that is illegal.

The only illegal thing that happened was the hacking, which is a cyber crime, but if Russia hacked the DNC, they'd have to prove that the Trump campaign paid them to do so and that's highly unlikely.

You can have American campaign personnel chatting with Russian officials and everyone wanting to dig up dirt on Hillary and it still won't amount to an actual crime.

The only charges to date don't even relate to campaign activities, meaning this is still a big old nothingburger.
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If there is nothing illegal why all the secrecy and lying about these Russian connections? It sure makes them look very guilty. I suggest it is because they are.
 
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