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Why The Term 'Black-On-Black' Crime Is Veiled Racism

Mason66 said:
So if the gangs didn't have drugs to deal, the gang would disappear, in your opinion?
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No, but there would be less incentive to join gangs and less reason to murder each other for a street corner.
 
ecofarm said:
Poor white communities have gangs like any other poor community. Biker gangs have thousands of members and expand internationally, but they aren't used to paint 'white culture'.
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This is a bit of false equivalency. For one there are biker gangs of all races. Second, biker gangs are mostly comprised of middle class people that own legitimate businesses or have regular jobs and largely military veterans. Very few are involved in organized crime and it is more of fraternal organization. I was a biker until recently (had to sell my Harley) but was never in a biker gang due to not having the time with the amount of overtime I work but have friends in both white and black biker gangs (they aren't exclusively white or black but generally segregated for some reason)
 
Cable said:
Would it be possible to just shut up about racism from now on? Liberals have abused the term so badly it's all but meaningless.
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See, hear, speak no evil. Seems to be the standard way republican's wish to handle problems.

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Bodhisattva said:
Why are you calling black people savages? That seems pretty racist to me...
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Did you not see the quote marks or are you intentionally trolling?
 
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Certain black groups **** themselves over 'Black Lives lost that matter'...meaning the occaisional appropriate victim (a shooting of a black person, preferably unarmed) by a cop (preferably white). The sad irony of course is that without a google search no one can name the last 'black life' that actually 'mattered' because the incidents are so few and far between. Meanwhile...those same groups that **** themselves over 'black lives mattering' completely ignore the thousands of bodies that end up filing the street and the daily occurrence of black lives being taken by black people. Further, it is ignored that a very small percentage of the total population of this country...black males...account for over half of ALL violent crime in this country AND the VAST majority of dead bodies in the street due to those violent crimes AND the fact that most of their victims are black.

Which makes the term "black on black crime" not only NOT racist but extraordinarily relevant to anyone that actually gave the first **** about actually identifying ACTUAL problems and ACTUAL black lives and ACTUALLY addressing the problem.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Lets talk about liberal's false allegations instead. Constant attacks and insults on anything that doesn't meet their P.C. and bigoted narrative...
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Sure, this is a discussion board. I'm willing to discuss whatever you want. Even if it's your paranoid fantasies - anythings fair game.
 
Absentglare said:
If they had employment opportunities that were better than joining a gang, i'd imagine that they'd gladly accept them.

Maybe we should ask ourselves if we're responsibly managing the system of incentives they're in, or whether the segregation suggested by high rates of a-race-on-itself violence is something we should seek to undo.
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Go work in a county jail for a month or two. Ask the inmates that are in for drugs what they plan on doing when they get released. There are plenty of minimum wage job opportunities available to them.
 
Cable said:
Would it be possible to just shut up about racism from now on? Liberals have abused the term so badly it's all but meaningless.
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I suspect when racism is no longer an issue, people will stop talking about it. Also, your claim that the term racism has been abused so badly belies your claim the term is meaningless.
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
And these people ignore that much of the crime in Black communities is caused by drug prohibition. During alcohol prohibition, Italian and Irish immigrant communities were filled with gang violence. The same racist claims were made about Italian and Irish immigrants.

Get rid of drug prohibition and you will dramatically reduce gang violence. But because the violence occurs in minority neighborhoods, nobody cares to repeal prohibition laws the way hey did when hey realized how damaging alcohol prohibition was.
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But you surely are not suggesting that only black people are ravaged by the illegal drug problem?
 
Geoist said:
The term 'black-on-black' crime is more popular than ever, especially now that we have president complaining about it. It makes us think black criminals targeting blacks is some unique phenomenon occurring within their race. However, the alt-right and many conservatives ignore one obvious reality: criminals tend to commit crimes against those within their community. Statistics show that 57% of white crime is perpetrated against other whites. Compare that to 63% of black crime perpetrated against other blacks. Also, the rate of white-on-white violent crime is four times larger (12 per 1,000) than the rate of black-on-black crime (3.1 per 1,000). So why aren't we talking about 'white-on-white' violent crime? This seems like a major problem within the white race, no? Shouldn't Trump and the alt-right have declared the Vegas shooting an incident of white-on-white violent crime? Of course, they won't, and that is why the whole black-on-black crime thing is veiled racism.

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch...-black-crime-rates-take-another-hit-bjs-study
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I find it insane that the notion that we should care about young black men killing other young black men so much that it's the number one killer of them is racist.
 
Cable said:
Would it be possible to just shut up about racism from now on? Liberals have abused the term so badly it's all but meaningless.
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If we did that they couldn’t use the race card when their faced with facts


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Geoist said:
The term 'black-on-black' crime is more popular than ever, especially now that we have president complaining about it. It makes us think black criminals targeting blacks is some unique phenomenon occurring within their race. However, the alt-right and many conservatives ignore one obvious reality: criminals tend to commit crimes against those within their community. Statistics show that 57% of white crime is perpetrated against other whites. Compare that to 63% of black crime perpetrated against other blacks. Also, the rate of white-on-white violent crime is four times larger (12 per 1,000) than the rate of black-on-black crime (3.1 per 1,000). So why aren't we talking about 'white-on-white' violent crime? This seems like a major problem within the white race, no? Shouldn't Trump and the alt-right have declared the Vegas shooting an incident of white-on-white violent crime? Of course, they won't, and that is why the whole black-on-black crime thing is veiled racism.

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch...-black-crime-rates-take-another-hit-bjs-study
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wait a second....

You state: " the rate of white-on-white violent crime is four times larger (12 per 1,000) than the rate of black-on-black crime (3.1 per 1,000)."


from your link:




Moreover, it explained, “the rate of white-on-white violent crime (12.0 per 1,000) was about four times higher than black-on-white violent crime (3.1 per 1,000). The rate of black-on-black crime (16.5 per 1,000) was more than five times higher than white-on-black violent crime (2.8 per 1,000). The rate of Hispanic-on-Hispanic crime (8.3 per 1,000) was about double the rate of white-on-Hispanic (4.1 per 1,000) and black-on-Hispanic (4.2 per 1,000) violent crime.”
 
Geoist said:
The term 'black-on-black' crime is more popular than ever, especially now that we have president complaining about it. It makes us think black criminals targeting blacks is some unique phenomenon occurring within their race. However, the alt-right and many conservatives ignore one obvious reality: criminals tend to commit crimes against those within their community. Statistics show that 57% of white crime is perpetrated against other whites. Compare that to 63% of black crime perpetrated against other blacks. Also, the rate of white-on-white violent crime is four times larger (12 per 1,000) than the rate of black-on-black crime (3.1 per 1,000). So why aren't we talking about 'white-on-white' violent crime? This seems like a major problem within the white race, no? Shouldn't Trump and the alt-right have declared the Vegas shooting an incident of white-on-white violent crime? Of course, they won't, and that is why the whole black-on-black crime thing is veiled racism.

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch...-black-crime-rates-take-another-hit-bjs-study
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The number you are citing don't mesh with the government data of four years ago, and I doubt those numbers have changed a great deal. Given that roughly 12% of the U.S. population is black, the numbers are astounding. Citing murder rates alone:
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u....f_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2013.xls

That black people are 12% of the U.S. population but commit 44% of the the murders in no way infers in any way that people commit murder because they are black. But I am pretty sure that a study of WHERE all those murders are happening will show the large majority are in a few concentrated areas where the population is mostly black. And that suggests a serious problem in the culture of some predominantly black communities in America, mostly in the so-called 'non racist' north. I feel completely safe around all the black people in my life as I think so do they.

To see that elephant in the room is in no way racist. And to try to extrapolate acknowledgement of it into something 'racist' is to perpetuate the situation and make sure nothing is done to address and correct it.
 
Geoist said:
The term 'black-on-black' crime is more popular than ever, especially now that we have president complaining about it. It makes us think black criminals targeting blacks is some unique phenomenon occurring within their race. However, the alt-right and many conservatives ignore one obvious reality: criminals tend to commit crimes against those within their community. Statistics show that 57% of white crime is perpetrated against other whites. Compare that to 63% of black crime perpetrated against other blacks. Also, the rate of white-on-white violent crime is four times larger (12 per 1,000) than the rate of black-on-black crime (3.1 per 1,000). So why aren't we talking about 'white-on-white' violent crime? This seems like a major problem within the white race, no? Shouldn't Trump and the alt-right have declared the Vegas shooting an incident of white-on-white violent crime? Of course, they won't, and that is why the whole black-on-black crime thing is veiled racism.

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch...-black-crime-rates-take-another-hit-bjs-study
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The SPLC lied.

This is from the original report:

During 2012-15, the rate of white-on-white violent crime
(12.0 per 1,000 white persons) was about four times higher
than black-on-white violent crime (3.1 per 1,000). The rate of
black-on-black violent crime (16.5 per 1,000 black persons)
was more than five times higher than white-on-black violent
crime (2.8 per 1,000). The rate of Hispanic-on-Hispanic
violent crime (8.3 per 1,000 Hispanic persons) was about
double the rate of white-on-Hispanic (4.1 per 1,000) and
black-on-Hispanic (4.2 per 1,000) violent crime. As with
violent crime, the rates of serious violent crime and simple
assault were higher for intraracial victimizations than
interracial victimizations.
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https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/rhovo1215_sum.pdf

Don't you know better than to cite such a biased source?

Oh wait -- it wasn't the SPLC that lied.

For shame...
 
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Bodhisattva said:
Legalize drugs and all gangs start dance off battles instead...
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That is what I hear.

People don't realize the draw of the money is.

They will not give it up willingly.

Another thing that doesn't jive with this theory is that before drug sales became a big thing, there were still gang killings on the streets, so how do they explain that?
 
Geoist said:
The term 'black-on-black' crime is more popular than ever, especially now that we have president complaining about it. It makes us think black criminals targeting blacks is some unique phenomenon occurring within their race. However, the alt-right and many conservatives ignore one obvious reality: criminals tend to commit crimes against those within their community. Statistics show that 57% of white crime is perpetrated against other whites. Compare that to 63% of black crime perpetrated against other blacks. Also, the rate of white-on-white violent crime is four times larger (12 per 1,000) than the rate of black-on-black crime (3.1 per 1,000). So why aren't we talking about 'white-on-white' violent crime? This seems like a major problem within the white race, no? Shouldn't Trump and the alt-right have declared the Vegas shooting an incident of white-on-white violent crime? Of course, they won't, and that is why the whole black-on-black crime thing is veiled racism.

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch...-black-crime-rates-take-another-hit-bjs-study
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I realize that murder is a special category of crime and that on some other violent crimes the numbers go the other way. But these numbers are relevant to your argument nonetheless.
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u....f_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2013.xls
 
Nap said:
No, but there would be less incentive to join gangs and less reason to murder each other for a street corner.
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How do you connect the joining of gangs to drugs?

Do you think kids join gangs to sell drugs?

If drugs disappeared tomorrow, would the gangs?
 
In all fairness, black on black violent is much more prevalent in my community than white on white crime, depending on the crime category. White people typically commit domestic violence, financial crimes, and property crimes. The majority of our violent crimes are young black and brown men shooting or assaulting or robbing other young black or brown men.

But the reasons for that are complex. If you think of violence as a learned behavior, why are some segments of the community more violent than others? It's because some population groups have been subjected to greater violence, historically, than other population groups.
 
AlbqOwl said:
The number you are citing don't mesh with the government data of four years ago, and I doubt those numbers have changed a great deal. Given that roughly 12% of the U.S. population is black, the numbers are astounding. Citing murder rates alone:
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u....f_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2013.xls

That black people are 12% of the U.S. population but commit 44% of the the murders in no way infers in any way that people commit murder because they are black. But I am pretty sure that a study of WHERE all those murders are happening will show the large majority are in a few concentrated areas where the population is mostly black. And that suggests a serious problem in the culture of some predominantly black communities in America, mostly in the so-called 'non racist' north. I feel completely safe around all the black people in my life as I think so do they.

To see that elephant in the room is in no way racist. And to try to extrapolate acknowledgement of it into something 'racist' is to perpetuate the situation and make sure nothing is done to address and correct it.
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This!
 
Bodhisattva said:
Incorrect. Black on Black Crime is a term designed to refute racist allegations against white people.
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Black on Black homicide is the more interesting number as it is the epitome of violent crime. Here the numbers are really racist but real. In spite of their relatively smaller numbers Blacks kill nearly the same number as do Whites. Most of the Black kills are Black.
 
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