• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

What is the Alt-Right?

C

Casca XV

DP Veteran
Joined
Apr 4, 2016
Messages
7,377
Reaction score
1,452
Location
State of Jefferson
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Libertarian - Right
Prior to Hillary's August 25, 2016 speech I had never heard the term: Alt-Right.

I did some research, and I found out that the reason I never heard of it is because it is what Richard Spencer type racist were/are calling themselves, and like almost all real Libertarians and Conservatives I pay little to no attention to those people. Although they desperately try to attach themselves to us.

Being Individualists, Racial Identity Politics is not a strategy we employ.

It quickly became clear that by bringing this ideology up Hillary was trying to smear all of her political opponents as racist. A favorite tactic of Far Leftists.

The more I learned about the Alt-Right the more I realized they have a lot more in common with the Far Left than they do with the Real American Right, or even the Moderate Left (what few Moderate Leftist there still are).

The 5 minute video below explains it a lot better than I ever could:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHXL00wY3nY
 
Steve Bannon is the self-declared guru of both Brietbart News and the Alt-Right movement.

Yes, that Stephen K. Bannon ... Senior Counselor to President Trump until White House Chief of Staff John Kelly demanded his resignation on August 18, 2017.
 
Casca XV said:
Prior to Hillary's August 25, 2016 speech I had never heard the term: Alt-Right.

I did some research, and I found out that the reason I never heard of it is because it is what Richard Spencer type racist were/are calling themselves, and like almost all real Libertarians and Conservatives I pay little to no attention to those people. Although they desperately try to attach themselves to us.

Being Individualists, Racial Identity Politics is not a strategy we employ.

It quickly became clear that by bringing this ideology up Hillary was trying to smear all of her political opponents as racist. A favorite tactic of Far Leftists.

The more I learned about the Alt-Right the more I realized they have a lot more in common with the Far Left than they do with the Real American Right, or even the Moderate Left (what few Moderate Leftist there still are).

The 5 minute video below explains it a lot better than I ever could:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHXL00wY3nY
Click to expand...

No Prager isn't biased. Not at all.... I do know that they worship at the altar of the false idol known as Ayn Rand. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
Casca XV said:
Prior to Hillary's August 25, 2016 speech I had never heard the term: Alt-Right.

I did some research, and I found out that the reason I never heard of it is because it is what Richard Spencer type racist were/are calling themselves, and like almost all real Libertarians and Conservatives I pay little to no attention to those people. Although they desperately try to attach themselves to us.

Being Individualists, Racial Identity Politics is not a strategy we employ.

It quickly became clear that by bringing this ideology up Hillary was trying to smear all of her political opponents as racist. A favorite tactic of Far Leftists.

The more I learned about the Alt-Right the more I realized they have a lot more in common with the Far Left than they do with the Real American Right, or even the Moderate Left (what few Moderate Leftist there still are).

The 5 minute video below explains it a lot better than I ever could:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHXL00wY3nY
Click to expand...

They have nothing in common with either the right or the left. To say otherwise is frankly absurd and nothing but partisan nonsense. To say that the real right doesn't also have its version of identity politics is further absurd. Frankly, there's no popular lean in the whole country that doesn't, these days. There are no innocent parties in this.

Also, it isn't Hillary's fault that they named themselves the alt-right, and most of them support 45. She called them what they called themselves, and it is factually true that most of them support 45.

However, it is also true that they aren't actually right, and probably use the name in an attempt to mainstream themselves.
 
Casca XV said:
Prior to Hillary's August 25, 2016 speech I had never heard the term: Alt-Right.

I did some research, and I found out that the reason I never heard of it is because it is what Richard Spencer type racist were/are calling themselves, and like almost all real Libertarians and Conservatives I pay little to no attention to those people. Although they desperately try to attach themselves to us.

Being Individualists, Racial Identity Politics is not a strategy we employ.

It quickly became clear that by bringing this ideology up Hillary was trying to smear all of her political opponents as racist. A favorite tactic of Far Leftists.

The more I learned about the Alt-Right the more I realized they have a lot more in common with the Far Left than they do with the Real American Right, or even the Moderate Left (what few Moderate Leftist there still are).

The 5 minute video below explains it a lot better than I ever could:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHXL00wY3nY
Click to expand...

I think the young man in the video nailed it. "Alt-right", as Spencer coined the term, is an 'alternative to conservatism' that most of us identify with as 'the right.' And as such it makes race significant in society, politics, culture, and a person's importance. We on the right--that is those of us on the right who aren't alt-right--largely reject that concept and the left largely embraces it.

Except for their signature trait which is accusing people on the right of racism, bigotry, white privilege, etc. etc. etc., the left has little clear philosophy to express or defend.

The right, that is the non-alt-right right, rejects all forms of racial supremacy and also privilege and protection and making special interests of people who aren't white Europeans. We on the right usually think singling out people of color, even for help and protection, disadvantages such people far more than it helps them.

Which the left too often considers a racist point of view.
 
Last edited:
Casca XV said:
Prior to Hillary's August 25, 2016 speech I had never heard the term: Alt-Right.

I did some research, and I found out that the reason I never heard of it is because it is what Richard Spencer type racist were/are calling themselves, and like almost all real Libertarians and Conservatives I pay little to no attention to those people. Although they desperately try to attach themselves to us.

Being Individualists, Racial Identity Politics is not a strategy we employ.

It quickly became clear that by bringing this ideology up Hillary was trying to smear all of her political opponents as racist. A favorite tactic of Far Leftists.

The more I learned about the Alt-Right the more I realized they have a lot more in common with the Far Left than they do with the Real American Right, or even the Moderate Left (what few Moderate Leftist there still are).

The 5 minute video below explains it a lot better than I ever could:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHXL00wY3nY
Click to expand...

The actual people that coined the term are simply the advocates for a European styled white nationalist platform. They basically want all the big government socialist policies but only for white people. Basically, Neo-nazis with a new name.

There is also confusion with the term because many haven't actually looked at what the originators of the movement are calling for and simply call anyone that disagrees with them as Alt-Right. For instance, Ben Shapiro has been called Alt-Right even though he has been pointing them out and denouncing for longer than just about anyone which is why he was their #1 target among journalist in 2016.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Steve Bannon is the self-declared guru of both Brietbart News and the Alt-Right movement.

Yes, that Stephen K. Bannon ... Senior Counselor to President Trump until White House Chief of Staff John Kelly demanded his resignation on August 18, 2017.
Click to expand...

Total lie; He agreed to be fair in how Britebart reported on the Alt-Right.

Over half of Brietbart staff are Jews and Minorities, most hired by Bannon.

Bannon opened a Brietbart Office in Israel.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Steve Bannon is the self-declared guru of both Brietbart News and the Alt-Right movement.

Yes, that Stephen K. Bannon ... Senior Counselor to President Trump until White House Chief of Staff John Kelly demanded his resignation on August 18, 2017.
Click to expand...

Do you consider Bannon a white supremacist?
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
They have nothing in common with either the right or the left. To say otherwise is frankly absurd and nothing but partisan nonsense. To say that the real right doesn't also have its version of identity politics is further absurd. Frankly, there's no popular lean in the whole country that doesn't, these days. There are no innocent parties in this.

Also, it isn't Hillary's fault that they named themselves the alt-right, and most of them support 45. She called them what they called themselves, and it is factually true that most of them support 45.

However, it is also true that they aren't actually right, and probably use the name in an attempt to mainstream themselves.
Click to expand...

They are bigger Socialist than Bernie Sanders. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGhXo_a5NAM

Hillary is a scumbag for trying to Label anyone opposing her a racist.
 
AlbqOwl said:
I think the young man in the video nailed it. "Alt-right", as Spencer coined the term, is an 'alternative to conservatism' that most of us identify with as 'the right.' And as such it makes race significant in society, politics, culture, and a person's importance. We on the right--that is those of us on the right who aren't alt-right--largely reject that concept and the left largely embraces it.

Except for their signature trait which is accusing people on the right of racism, bigotry, white privilege, etc. etc. etc., the left has little clear philosophy to express or defend.

The right, that is the non-alt-right right, rejects all forms of racial supremacy and also privilege and protection and making special interests of people who aren't white Europeans. We on the right usually think singling out people of color, even for help and protection, disadvantages such people far more than it helps them.

Which the left too often considers a racist point of view.
Click to expand...

Like Most Social issues. Racism is not a defining trait of either the Right or Left.

The Fundamental difference is: the Right are Individualist and the Left are Collectivists.

Listen to Richard Spencer speak and you will hear that he is a bigger Socialist/Collectivists than Bernie Sanders.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGhXo_a5NAM
 
Casca XV said:
They are bigger Socialist than Bernie Sanders. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGhXo_a5NAM

Hillary is a scumbag for trying to Label anyone opposing her a racist.
Click to expand...

Ehhh, not exactly, they're pretty big on corporations. Fascism functions on the vertical scale of the political axis, not the left-right one. It's often called "radical centrism" for that reason.

Hillary did nothing wrong by labeling the people who call themselves alt-right as alt-right.

It'd be really great if we could talk about this as the real problem it is, rather than some trite attempt for you to gain points on some political boogieman.
 
Casca XV said:
Total lie; He agreed to be fair in how Britebart reported on the Alt-Right.

Over half of Brietbart staff are Jews and Minorities, most hired by Bannon.

Bannon opened a Brietbart Office in Israel.
Click to expand...

In March 2012, after founder Andrew Breitbart's death, Bannon became executive chair of Breitbart News LLC, the parent company of Breitbart News.[73][74][75] Under his leadership, Breitbart took a more alt-right and nationalistic approach toward its agenda.[76] In 2016, Bannon declared the website "the platform for the alt-right".[20]
Click to expand...
Wikipedia | Steve_Bannon
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
Ehhh, not exactly, they're pretty big on corporations. Fascism functions on the vertical scale of the political axis, not the left-right one. It's often called "radical centrism" for that reason.

Hillary did nothing wrong by labeling the people who call themselves alt-right as alt-right.

It'd be really great if we could talk about this as the real problem it is, rather than some trite attempt for you to gain points on some political boogieman.
Click to expand...

Hillary was trying to lump every Trump voter in with the Alt-Right racists, that is scumbaggery.
 
Casca XV said:
Hillary was trying to lump every Trump voter in with the Alt-Right racists, that is scumbaggery.
Click to expand...

Uh, no, not really. But sure, if all you want to do is play some stupid game and continue contributing to this problem, great, whatever.
 
Casca XV said:
Like Most Social issues. Racism is not a defining trait of either the Right or Left.

The Fundamental difference is: the Right are Individualist and the Left are Collectivists.

Listen to Richard Spencer speak and you will hear that he is a bigger Socialist/Collectivists than Bernie Sanders.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGhXo_a5NAM
Click to expand...

That is another way of making comparisons. I know I can see that Spencer is a compelling figure who measures his words carefully and he is not coming from a genocidal point of view in any sense. But he is an outlier that is rejected by most of civil society.

I only became aware that there WAS a Spencer this year. And I can honestly say that despite his gentile manner and measured speech, he makes my skin crawl. The only thing I really agree with him on is that white people need not be ashamed, contrite, subdued, or embarrassed because they were born white. I don't agree with him that white people are superior in any way to any other race, ethnicity, demographic. I think 99% of my fellow conservatives share that point of view with me.

The numbers of white supremacists are so small as to have zero power in the grand scheme of things, but they do seem to be attracted to message boards like this just as do the idiots, numbnuts, trolls, and other exercises in futility. Or maybe the idiots, etc. are pretending to be white supremacists? Who knows.

I think conservatives can be collectivists and most are. We invented the concept of social contract and work together very well to share services and infrastructure when that makes much more sense than each providing just for themselves.

So it is the concept of social contract that sets us apart from the left. Conservatives use social contract to build, develop, grow, get better. The left wants a central government to dictate what society must be and that of course will be as the left envisions it.
 
Casca XV said:
Did you read your own source? "Platform of the alt-right" in context was "we will report fairly on them."

Milo Yiannopoulos was his chief reporter of the Alt-Right. Milo is a Homosexual Jewish Guy who cant stop bragging about his Black Boyfriends.
Click to expand...

Platform for the alt-right means promoting them.
 
RAMOSS said:
It would be enough for them to publish articles that are in the values of the KKK and Neo-Nazi, such as an antisemitic attack

Trump Mouthpiece Breitbart News Publishes Anti-Semitic Attack on Prominent Columnist ? Tablet Magazine

And, why can Breibart be both pro-Israel and anti-Semitic

Can Steve Bannon and Breitbart News Be Both Pro-Israel and Anti-Semitic? ? The Forward
Click to expand...

That is a total Crash and Burn on your part.

I said provide a Pro KKK or Neo Nazi article from Brietbart not a couple of propaganda blogs that are lying about the context of what they were saying.

The Leftist tactic of falsely accusing political opponents of Racism is just as despicable as any none violent Traditional Racism, and you just gave two perfect examples. There is no moral difference between Al Sharpton and David Duke.

Half of Brietbart staff are Jews or minorities, most hired by Bannon himself. Bannon opened a Brietbart office in Israel.
 
Casca XV said:
That is a total Crash and Burn on your part.

I said provide a Pro KKK or Neo Nazi article from Brietbart not a couple of propaganda blogs that are lying about the context of what they were saying.

The Leftist tactic of falsely accusing political opponents of Racism is just as despicable as any none violent Traditional Racism, and you just gave two perfect examples. There is no moral difference between Al Sharpton and David Duke.

Half of Brietbart staff are Jews or minorities, most hired by Bannon himself. Bannon opened a Brietbart office in Israel.
Click to expand...

I consider that claim to be denial on your part. .. and while he is fine with Israel, as long as they are fighting Muslims, the folks at home get attacked because they are Jewish. I see you didn't bother to read the second link. That is dishonest on your part.
 
RAMOSS said:
I consider that claim to be denial on your part. .. and while he is fine with Israel, as long as they are fighting Muslims, the folks at home get attacked because they are Jewish. I see you didn't bother to read the second link. That is dishonest on your part.
Click to expand...

On the last election night after Cheeto Jesus was declared the winner, On CNN Total Douche Bag and Self Described Communist Van Jones said that the Hillary loss was the result of a "WhiteLash."

Hillary did get a smaller % of the White vote than Obama. If there was a racial aspect to the switch it was not because Whites (the actual current least racist ethnic group in America today) listened to the KKK or Neo-Nazis. It was because they got sick and tired of Assholes like Van Jones and Obama himself invent new ways to call them Racist.

So please keep up those Identity politics tactics.
 
Casca XV said:
On the last election night after Cheeto Jesus was declared the winner, On CNN Total Douche Bag and Self Described Communist Van Jones said that the Hillary loss was the result of a "WhiteLash."

Hillary did get a smaller % of the White vote than Obama. If there was a racial aspect to the switch it was not because Whites (the actual current least racist ethnic group in America today) listened to the KKK or Neo-Nazis. It was because they got sick and tired of Assholes like Van Jones and Obama himself invent new ways to call them Racist.

So please keep up those Identity politics tactics.
Click to expand...

Ah.. so you are playing the racist card. Good to know. Thank you very much.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Wikipedia | Steve_Bannon
Click to expand...

Which only goes to illustrate that there is no clear definition of what is 'alt-right' as Bannon, nor anybody working for him, has a single 'white supremacist' notion or any characteristic associated with the alt-right. His definition of 'alt-right' is anti establishment or anti permanent political class, and that he is. Mainstream conservatism can at times include those values. But that alone is enough to send most leftists into a tirade with accusations of sexism, racism, Islamophobia, or anti pick whatever leftist talking point.

I disagree with Bannon's definition, however, as he is hard core but quite mainstream conservative on most of the issues that the left talking heads/pundits are unwilling or incapable to discuss or debate with any semblance of intellectual honesty.

I personally think only those who embrace concepts outside of the conservative right mainstream--the isolationists, the white supremacists, the anarchists--qualify as alt-right. Neither Bannon nor anybody who works for him fall into those catagories.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom