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How many actual nazis are there in the US?

ReverendHellh0und said:
The point being is that if there are less than 1000 in a country of 350 million are they really a concern?
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First off, the figure appears hard to calculate and could be higher than your purported 1000 number. And then there are those who sympathize or identify with the ideology. Regardless of the number, the neo-Nazi movement is extreme and outspoken, therefore should be a real concern.
 
ColdWarVet said:
Agreed
Sourced them because our friends on the left seem to regard them as THE source for reliable hate group info.
Personally I regard SPLC as a hate group. LOL
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SPLC transferring millions to offshore tax havens: Report

Seems to be some type of money laundering fake charity slush fund .


" the tax-exempt Alabama-based group, known as much for its fundraising prowess as its civil-rights work, sent more than $4 million to entities incorporated in the Cayman Islands, according to 2014 tax documents.

Financial consultants described the overseas dealings, which include financial interests in the British Virgin Islands and Bermuda, as “extremely unusual” and “a huge red flag” for a 501©3 organization.

The SPLC holds $328 million in net assets and raised more than $50 million in contributions in 2015 despite spending just $61,000 on legal services.

"The SPLC has long been derided for juicing its fundraising by stoking fears of white supremacists, but so far the criticism hasn’t dissuaded high-profile donors such as Apple CEO Tim Cook, who contributed $1 million after last month’s melee in Charlottesville, Virginia.

George and Amal Clooney also donated $1 million to “combat hate groups” following the violent clash between white nationalists and leftist counter-protesters.

D. James Kennedy Ministries in Fort Lauderdale, Florida, filed a defamation lawsuit last week against the SPLC after being listed alongside neo-Nazis and the Ku Klux Klan on the “hate map” of 917 groups.

“If the SPLC were intellectually honest, it should re-title its ‘Hate Map’ into ‘Groups We Hate Map,’” Mr. Staver said.

The watchdog group CharityWatch has downgraded the SPLC from a grade of “B-” to “F” for keeping more than seven years’ available assets in reserve."
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
The point being is that if there are less than 1000 in a country of 350 million are they really a concern?
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When they feel comfortable enough to do crap like this:

White-Nationalist-Rally-Charlottesville.jpg


yes - they are a concern.
 
Elroy Bean said:
First off, the figure appears hard to calculate and could be higher than your purported 1000 number. And then there are those who sympathize or identify with the ideology. Regardless of the number, the neo-Nazi movement is extreme and outspoken, therefore should be a real concern.
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are they outspoken or are they sensationalized?
 
Dragonfly said:
When they feel comfortable enough to do crap like this:

White-Nationalist-Rally-Charlottesville.jpg


yes - they are a concern.
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same 50 d00ds you see in all the pics.



what concerns you about that picture? in this instance they are exercising thier right to look like assholes. how is that a threat?
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
same 50 d00ds you see in all the pics.



what concerns you about that picture? in this instance they are exercising thier right to look like assholes. how is that a threat?
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How big is the iceberg? You know, the part that's under the water? Where you can't see?
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
That's what I am asking, what do you think that number is? What percent of the us population?
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Don't know, but when you start lumping them into a bucket with various hate groups like the KKK, the number is probably bigger than most reasonable people would be comfortable with.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Seems no one, especially those who like to lament or call people nazis won't answer, I thought I'd make this it's own topic.


out of a country of 350 million people, how many do you believe identify as national socialists, fascist, and/or white nationalists?


How big is the problem?
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Well, there are real Nazi followers and posers and then there are those on the hard left that believe that anyone that disagrees with them has extremist views and should be considered a Nazi, so, some 63 million.

These hard left lunatics will often use the terms “extremely racist”, “authoritarian views” to corner anyone that doesn’t agree with them. And as sure as water is wet, the Nazi tag/card will be thrown.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
That's what I am asking, what do you think that number is? What percent of the us population?
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That there are any Nazi groups, however small, speaks to the health of freedom in the US. Just as did the continued existence of the Communist Party of the US (and various Trotskyist parties) during the height of the Cold War. The same goes for the toleration of the presence of all enemies of freedom, including the KKK and mosques.
 
Dragonfly said:
Don't know, but when you start lumping them into a bucket with various hate groups like the KKK, the number is probably bigger than most reasonable people would be comfortable with.
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Ding ding ding ding
We have a winner :)

The intellectually honest question would be how small does the group have to be before we shouldn't care? In my honest opinion I'm not concerned about the number so much as I am their influence and activities. What if there were only 50 of them but all 50 were governors? Of course thats not the case im just showing how concerns over numbers arent really that sound.

Seems there way more than NFL players peacefully protesting but people SOME people lose their minds about that. :shrug:
 
AGENT J said:
Ding ding ding ding
We have a winner :)

The intellectually honest question would be how small does the group have to be before we shouldn't care? In my honest opinion I'm not concerned about the number so much as I am their influence and activities. What if there were only 50 of them but all 50 were governors? Of course thats not the case im just showing how concerns over numbers arent really that sound.

Seems there way more than NFL players peacefully protesting but people SOME people lose their minds about that. :shrug:
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That.

Although I believe white supremacists to still be a fairly small percentage of the population, and perhaps not even at the highest it's been in my lifetime (hard to know for reasons I stated earlier), my concern is how much more active they are.

For me, 5 years ago, they were not of concern for two reasons. One, their numbers were falling. Two, they had shown no ingenuity in recruiting new, younger members, which meant their members were dying out with age because they simply weren't making themselves seen in places younger people were looking.

Since then, they have fixed the latter "problem," which has led to a reversal of the former trend.

That is why it's worrying to me now, despite their numbers still being small. I have seen a dramatic, obvious rise in their presence on social media and in younger circles, because now they've figured out how to reach those people.

I believe some of this is just them being more open, rather than necessarily sky-rocketing membership. But their membership IS climbing, and the fact that they are more open and promoting so broadly is in itself a concern.

I'm not going to wait until their membership is in the millions to get concerned about this. We need to be concerned now.
 
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Sweden said:
That there are any Nazi groups, however small, speaks to the health of freedom in the US. Just as did the continued existence of the Communist Party of the US (and various Trotskyist parties) during the height of the Cold War. The same goes for the toleration of the presence of all enemies of freedom, including the KKK and mosques.
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No it doesn't. It speaks to the health of our system of freedom. We've had hate groups since those fake Indians threw tea into the harbor.

We survived the tea party, communists, even the civil war and the KKK. We'll survive this current trend. And like always we'll emerge the better for it.
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
That.

Although I believe white supremacists to still be a fairly small percentage of the population, and perhaps not even at the highest it's been in my lifetime (hard to know for reasons I stated earlier), my concern is how much more active they are.

For me, 5 years ago, they were not of concern for two reasons. One, their numbers were falling. Two, they had shown no ingenuity in recruiting new, younger members, which meant their members were dying out with age because they simply weren't making themselves seen in places younger people were looking.

Since then, they have fixed the latter "problem," which has led to a reversal of the former trend.

That is why it's worrying to me now, despite their numbers still being small. I have seen a dramatic, obvious rise in their presence on social media and in younger circles, because now they've figured out how to reach those people.

I believe some of this is just them being more open, rather than necessarily sky-rocketing membership. But their membership IS climbing, and the fact that they are more open and promoting so broadly is in itself a concern.

I'm not going to wait until their membership is in the millions to get concerned about this. We need to be concerned now.
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Agreed, more basic common sense.
 
Dragonfly said:
Seriously dude?

Mosques = KKK ????

:roll:
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Seriously. Absolutist, totalitarian, supremely intolerant , cruel Islam has been, an is, more dangerous to freedom than the KKK. The latter, however vile, was limited in time an space whereas Islam has destroyed freedom over centuries and in many different countries.
 
jimbo said:
No it doesn't. It speaks to the health of our system of freedom. We've had hate groups since those fake Indians threw tea into the harbor.

We survived the tea party, communists, even the civil war and the KKK. We'll survive this current trend. And like always we'll emerge the better for it.
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As I have two American grandsons I most sincerely hope you are right.
 
ColdWarVet said:
According to SPLC there are 90 neo-Nazi groups nation wide. Didn't see specifics on total individuals. And that's not counting White nationalist groups.
There are also 193 Black separatist groups.
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The SPLC is worthless in this area. Its a scam where its scumbag leader gets money from people by terrifying them (usually older black and Jewish folks) with claims that there are klansmen, skinheads and goose steppers hiding under their beds.
 
If I were to guess, somewhere in the thousands. It's not really a big issue at all.

You're more likely to get ****ed over by the bloods or the crips or some other city gang than a nazi to be honest.
 
Sweden said:
Seriously. Absolutist, totalitarian, supremely intolerant , cruel Islam has been, an is, more dangerous to freedom than the KKK. The latter, however vile, was limited in time an space whereas Islam has destroyed freedom over centuries and in many different countries.
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Extreme islamism isn't particularly prevalent in the United States, and never did get as big as the KKK movement did in its heyday.

Of course nowadays in the US your chances of getting ****ed by the KKK or an extreme islamist is incredibly low.
 
Luftwaffe said:
Extreme islamism isn't particularly prevalent in the United States, and never did get as big as the KKK movement did in its heyday.

Of course nowadays in the US your chances of getting ****ed by the KKK or an extreme islamist is incredibly low.
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You are right, Islamism isn't prevalent in the US. Yet.
 
Luftwaffe said:
Extreme islamism isn't particularly prevalent in the United States, and never did get as big as the KKK movement did in its heyday.

Of course nowadays in the US your chances of getting ****ed by the KKK or an extreme islamist is incredibly low.
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Ottoman Empire was Islamic
 
Sweden said:
Seriously. Absolutist, totalitarian, supremely intolerant , cruel Islam has been, an is, more dangerous to freedom than the KKK. The latter, however vile, was limited in time an space whereas Islam has destroyed freedom over centuries and in many different countries.
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Apparently you are another who knows zippo about Islam. You want to condemn Islamic terrorists for what they do, I agree. Condemning Islam or all Muslims makes you no different than someone from the KKK or from how you inaccurately portray Islam.
 
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