The Big, Ugly, Local Battle For The Heart Of The GOP

Goshin said:

Odd, to me, that so many of you grew up without minorities around.


I grew up in the South. Went to elementary school with black kids, starting working with black folks at 13. Took Spanish in High School because the local Latino population was rising and it seemed useful. Had Indian and Japanese professors at the local university. About a third of the people I see in a given day are non-white, and it is never an issue unless someone else decides to make it one.

And yet I'm the one allegedly from Racist Central...

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I grew up in Calgary

When in elementary, from what I can recall there was one black kid, one lebanese and one native Canadian kid in the entire school (K-6) perhaps 120 kids in total. It was a catholic school so Asian immigrants would have gone to the public school down the street. It did have a lot of Italian kids however approx 50%. I can not recall any visible minorities living on the block/s that I lived and played on during that time.

It was in the early to mid 80s that visible minorities started to come to Calgary in large numbers. The late 80's and early 90s saw the Aryan Nations become fairly popular along with skin heads. Today visible minorities make up approx 20% of the population, the majority being Chinese and South Asians.

Lord Tammerlain said:

I grew up in Calgary

When in elementary, from what I can recall there was one black kid, one lebanese and one native Canadian kid in the entire school (K-6) perhaps 120 kids in total. It was a catholic school so Asian immigrants would have gone to the public school down the street. It did have a lot of Italian kids however approx 50%. I can not recall any visible minorities living on the block/s that I lived and played on during that time.

It was in the early to mid 80s that visible minorities started to come to Calgary in large numbers. The late 80's and early 90s saw the Aryan Nations become fairly popular along with skin heads. Today visible minorities make up approx 20% of the population, the majority being Chinese and South Asians.

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Yup. Well my first day in Elementary I'd guess the classroom was 25-30% black kids. At that time we didn't have many Latinos or Asians around, but always plenty of black folks. Learning how to get along was kind of unavoidable.

It was still early days as far as integration, and all was not smooth. There was pushback against it, and there were problems. By the time I was in High School though, the new normal was largely accepted and things had smoothed out.

Nowadays, it is entirely different. Racial issues are almost non-existent. Black families can be found in the ritziest neighborhoods. The single biggest demographic at the local university is black females. Interracial couples and mixed children are common and accepted. Locally, I couldn't say when we've last had a genuine hate crime... long time.

My county has large populations of Asians (mostly Hmong and Cambodian) and Latinos and a scattering of many other nationalities.

Anyone criticizing the South over how things were 20-30 years ago or more has no idea what they're talking about.

Goshin said:

Yup. Well my first day in Elementary I'd guess the classroom was 25-30% black kids. At that time we didn't have many Latinos or Asians around, but always plenty of black folks. Learning how to get along was kind of unavoidable.

It was still early days as far as integration, and all was not smooth. There was pushback against it, and there were problems. By the time I was in High School though, the new normal was largely accepted and things had smoothed out.

Nowadays, it is entirely different. Racial issues are almost non-existent. Black families can be found in the ritziest neighborhoods. The single biggest demographic at the local university is black females. Interracial couples and mixed children are common and accepted. Locally, I couldn't say when we've last had a genuine hate crime... long time.

My county has large populations of Asians (mostly Hmong and Cambodian) and Latinos and a scattering of many other nationalities.

Anyone criticizing the South over how things were 20-30 years ago or more has no idea what they're talking about.

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Today, only one out of six marriages are interracial. That's nationwide. If you forget about police brutality then sure we're all getting along. The social justice issues tell me that things are actually getting worse and not better. But I defend your point about the south. It's happening everywhere not just there. I personally have experience more racism in the north and west than I have in the south. Go to New York, everybody talks about different groups. The Italians, the Jews, the Irish, the Catholic. It's not that way everywhere and really not in the south. In Nevada I had a tough time getting an apartment with my black girlfriend. I actually had to tell her to stay in the car so we can get an apartment. The south aint what people think. Not with racism. I would say it's almost better there than anywhere in the country. Out west you have the fakeness of California. In the Northwest you have the fakeness of political correctness. I would say it is best in the south.

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Lord Tammerlain said:

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I can say that the "can't count change" thing happens to white kids as well. Most of the clerks here are white and some don't understand how to get a register to figure change for them. I blame technology and the fact that most people don't use cash anymore, but you'd think hiring managers would check that stuff.

If my bill is 11.53 and I give you 21.53, what's my change?

Some can do that trivial problem, some can't.

Dirt Sands said:

Today, only one out of six marriages are interracial. That's nationwide. If you forget about police brutality then sure we're all getting along. The social justice issues tell me that things are actually getting worse and not better. But I defend your point about the south. It's happening everywhere not just there. I personally have experience more racism in the north and west than I have in the south. Go to New York, everybody talks about different groups. The Italians, the Jews, the Irish, the Catholic. It's not that way everywhere and really not in the south. In Nevada I had a tough time getting an apartment with my black girlfriend. I actually had to tell her to stay in the car so we can get an apartment. The south aint what people think. Not with racism. I would say it's almost better there than anywhere in the country. Out west you have the fakeness of California. In the Northwest you have the fakeness of political correctness. I would say it is best in the south.

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That brings up another good point. In NYC you may experience prejudice from some for being of Italian or Irish ancestry. In SC we couldn't care less about all that, and being treated badly for being Catholic or Jewish is highly improbable. We're more likely to be curious and intrigued, as in "So you're like real Italian-American? Cool, what's that like?"

Goshin said:

That brings up another good point. In NYC you may experience prejudice from some for being of Italian or Irish ancestry. In SC we couldn't care less about all that, and being treated badly for being Catholic or Jewish is highly improbable. We're more likely to be curious and intrigued, as in "So you're like real Italian-American? Cool, what's that like?"

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Nobody ever said to me growing up that man is a Jew, don't talk to him. I'm sure I met some but I honestly can't say who. Houston is one of the most diverse cities in the country. It has the second largest Asian population and Harris county is 31% Hispanic. We are all neighborly and get along just fine.

How about all those DACAs helping to save lives during Hurricane Harvey. Selflessly giving knowing there may be a government agency waiting to deport them afterwards. That's what gave the DACA's 6 extra months. The political pressure was too great on Trump to throw out good, loving, family oriented people. I guess Trump lost.

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I grew up mostly in Southern Cal. We lived about a mile from an Indian Reservation. A bunch of the boys from the res were good friends with my brother and on the high school baseball team with him. We had a lot of Latino kids too. One girl who I used to play with left school because she had Tuberculosis. It was a very agricultural area then, with lots of Citrus and other crops. I've not been back there recently, but I'm told it's a very tough town nowadays (with gunshots and gangs).

Yes, there are areas of Wisconsin with few to no blacks. This should be no surprise given Wisconsin like many US states is the size or larger than some European countries, and blacks only make up roughly what... 14% or so of the US population?

You go through Southern states and I'm pretty sure you can cross into towns with zero blacks as well.






Some of your major Southern cities today provide a better quality of life for Black-Americans than Northern cities. I have a black cousin that relocated to Charlotte, North Carolina and loves it.

Charlotte, North Carolina and San Diego, California are possibly among some of your best cities in the United States today.

LA and Detroit are arguably among your worst US cities today. What I'm saying is analogous to Brazilian Jujitsu vs death tap Kung Fu. It's called life on life's terms. It's Green Bay Packers training. It's the troop handler that prepares his troops for war. It's the parent that produces winner children.

What it's not is fairy tales.

Here is another fairy tale: if you live in a racially or ethically diverse city that means there has to be no racially and ethnically divided neighborhoods. False.

Chicago is one of the most "diverse" cities in the United States and it is among the most segregated too. It's more segregated than Milwaukee and in fact Chicago is the most segregated large city in the country. But more importantly most cities--like New York City--are not much different from Milwaukee or Chicago. Hell, I needed no academic report for this, I could tell that when I visited New York City and its racially and ethnically divided neighborhoods essentially reminded me of Milwaukee.

You know... Americans can make a big deal out of say... NYC has a neighborhood that is 92% black. Chicago or Milwaukee has a neighborhood that is 96% black. "Wow! :shock: look how "diverse" NYC's neighborhoods are." :roll:

And having all white, small towns, be it in Wisconsin, California, New England, or Georgia does not de facto mean said town has to be "racist", as in like the KKK or neo-Nazi type hatred. But Orange County, California probably leads the country in that part (neo-nazi part) and not the South.

Hell, the hard life fact is, some (not all) overly, almost completely white small towns in Wisconsin treat (the white residents) the black and Latinos in those town hella better than the whites in the *suburbs* surrounding Milwaukee or Houston or Chicago. Hell, not just my opinion. Plenty of blacks and Latinos I have met in a particular small, white, Wisconsin town have remarked the same. One of them was a Mexican from big Houston, Texas. Real talk.

And the whites in those towns treat blacks better than blacks treat blacks in say... Milwaukee, Chicago, LA, Houston, or NYC. Or Atlanta or Memphis for that matter. Plenty of bug Southern cities have lots of black on black violence and crime.

But not every part of the South is 100% the same. Miami is the South and its not the same as Norfolk, Virginia and Norfolk is more East Coast (NYC and other East Coast cities) influenced than say... Jackson, Mississippi. You have International Cities like Atlanta, Georgia (which really, is less the city proper than the "metro area") that have very little in common, maybe nothing in common, with the rural, tiny, black communities still steeped in poverty that resembles the Southern 1800s.

And racial and ethnic neighborhoods are not essentially the problem in my book. If they were every "Chinatown" would de facto be a problem. Every Jewish neighborhood would be a problem. The Orthodox Jewish neighborhood in Milwaukee has money, and civility, they are not a problem. The black neighborhoods are a problem. And they will continue to be a problem. If everyone in them were millionaires they would be a problem. In Detroit, Chicago, and Milwaukee at least. Because that is not a fairy tale. That is Brazilian Jujitsu. The Southern black Hampton University with its old school black Protestant respect and discipline--combined with its educated patrician heritage and families--produce the best Black-Americans. Those 3 cities I mentioned produce the worst Black-Americans in their anti-Christ love and revel in materialism and meanness.