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Trump: “Really great advertising" will keep kids off drugs

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Trump seems to have found a new mission in his life. Anti-drug crusader! He plans to spend lots of $$$$ on an advertising campaign to do just that.

Will it work, thoughts?

Trump shared the personal story of his brother's alcohol abuse and offered a solution to the opioid crisis: "Really tough, really big, really great advertising so we get to people before they start." His prediction: "If we can teach young people not to take drugs ... it's really, really easy not to take them."
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https://www.axios.com/quotes-from-trumps-opioid-speech-2501899318.html
 
Did Trump miss the 80's and early 90s?

Rachel Leigh Cook had probably the best anti drug commercial ever and people still did drugs
 
This post isn't really weighing in on support or opposition to his statement, but more talking of the concept.

How much of a success this would be really comes down to the "How". What advertising is, in this sense, is an awareness campaign. The question becomes then, is it a persuasive campaign, and ineffective one, or an actually counter productive one.

For example, I have pretty decent memories of the Dare program. On the flip side, despite never being a smoker or a drug user, the early Truth ads were more apt to make me want to run out and grab a cigarette than stay away from them because they were so corny, bad, and over the top. South Park did a wonderful parody of this with a musical group coming to the school singing to kids to "butt out", leading the kids to immediately grab a pack and try smoking.
 
When Trump talks he reminds me of a 15 year old doing an essay and the teacher told him the essay has to be 250 words long. So the kid uses the words very, and really 100 times to up the word count.

Trump shared the personal story of his brother's alcohol abuse and offered a solution to the opioid crisis: "Really tough, really big, really great advertising so we get to people before they start." His prediction: "If we can teach young people not to take drugs ... it's really, really easy not to take them."
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What a complete moron.
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
Trump seems to have found a new mission in his life. Anti-drug crusader! He plans to spend lots of $$$$ on an advertising campaign to do just that.

Will it work, thoughts?

https://www.axios.com/quotes-from-trumps-opioid-speech-2501899318.html
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Advertisement: woman smashes egg with pan, words "this is your brain on drugs"

Minor, beer in hand, viewing: So....if I try drugs, I'll get extra ****ed up? AWESOME!






If they try truly honest 'advertising', there's a fraction of a chance someone pays attention. ie, 16% of people who try alcohol become alcoholics, most don't, but here's what an alcoholic looks and lives like. 26% of people who try heroin become heroin addicts, most don't, but here's what a heroin addict looks and lives like. (I didn't save the link. Shame on me. But those are some of the stats from one of the gov's health/drug websites, from a few years back.

So on and so forth.

But they never do it. They always go overboard: just once and you're hooked. Just once and you're ruined. Yadda yadda. Then someone tries something, finds the worst didn't happen, and says "**** it. They lied".
 
Trumpian logic ... Increase advertising for the dangers of drug addiction and simultaneously cut advertising for ACA healthcare enrollment.
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
And nobody gave a f*** then.
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Sure we did, the mid 70's where horrible re drugs, what had been fun and liberating in the 50's 60's became grimy and depressing by 1971....."Drug culture has gone to seed" is how a lot of folks put it. Trump saw all that, plus he watched Fred Trump decline, and he made up his mind that drugs and alcohol are bad for us.

In the late 1960s and early 1970s, New York legislators faced a drug problem they feared was growing out of control. Federal statistics showed as many as 559,000 users nationwide and state police saw a 31 percent increase in drug arrests by 1972. In response Gov. Nelson Rockefeller, a liberal-leaning Republican who was said to have had presidential aspirations, created the Narcotic Addiction and Control Commission in 1967, aimed at helping addicts get clean. After the program proved too costly and ineffective, New York launched the Methadone Maintenance Program, which similarly caused little reduction in drug use. But by 1973, calls for stricter penalties had grown too loud to ignore, prompting Albany to enact legislation that created mandatory minimum sentences of 15 years to life for possession of four ounces of narcotics — about the same as a sentence for second-degree murder.
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A Brief History Of New York's Rockefeller Drug Laws - TIME
 
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Hawkeye10 said:
Sure we did, the mid 70's where horrible re drugs, what had been fun and liberating in the 50's 60's became grimy and depressing by 1971....."Drug culture has gone to seed" is how a lot of folks put it. Trump saw all that, plus he watched Fred Trump decline, and he made up his mind that drugs and alcohol are bad for us.


A Brief History Of New York's Rockefeller Drug Laws - TIME
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Drug PSA’s are generally remembered for a different reason

Take the infamous “this is your brain on drugs” psa depicting eggs frying in a skillet, when ever the ad concludes by asking “any questions?”the answer would have been “can I get my brains with a side order of bacon?”
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
Trump seems to have found a new mission in his life. Anti-drug crusader! He plans to spend lots of $$$$ on an advertising campaign to do just that.

Will it work, thoughts?

Trump shared the personal story of his brother's alcohol abuse and offered a solution to the opioid crisis: "Really tough, really big, really great advertising so we get to people before they start." His prediction: "If we can teach young people not to take drugs ... it's really, really easy not to take them."
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https://www.axios.com/quotes-from-trumps-opioid-speech-2501899318.html
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So, is this tacit admission that the vast majority of American teens and 20 somethings hooked on heroin and opioids did not get hooked on them via doctor prescriptions, from having worked decades winging sledge hammers or tumbling off roofs?

The advertisement is fine and you might find a statistical correlation as it will be implemented after children and others see their parents, siblings, cousins, associates and friends wrecked from heroin and opioid addiction. Which is free advertisement and up and front in your face personal. Kind of like having advertisements that discourage not having wars because people get maimed or killed and lives ruined. If you actually live through war zones its free advertisement from you and the personal experience more profound. Maybe like his experience with his brother's alcoholism rather than having seen American TV spammed with anti-drinking, anti-alcohol advertisements that proclaim: never drink alcohol, NEVER, or you will kill people on the roads, rape you 13 year-old daughter, knock your girlfriend's teeth out, loose your job, and become a bum.

You're never going to totally get rid of substance addiction, gambling addiction, "fat people" and their resulting diabetes, poor people, or people hooked on all sorts of sexual fetishes. You can reduce their rates of occurrences. But you are never totally eliminating them.

The "gateway drug" to so-called "hard drugs" is not marijuana (notice they never mention alcohol) but taught idea you simply will use your "choice" to get out of it once hooked. Rather than coming to terms with accepting the truth: drug addiction is far more powerful than any so-called sexual orientation. Ergo, if by your own teenage and adult experience you cant fathom as a heterosexual "getting out of" your heterosexuality, then it would be wise and prudent not to become a drug addict by over indulgence.




All that said... I had a good, FANTASTIC, chuckle :lol: listening to some news clip of Trump on TV, in that classic pose of his with that index finger and thumb touching, proclaiming (and I paraphrase): "We are going to save America from addiction." :lol: That's why I love Trump, even though he says some stupid [S word] sometimes that I know is not really possible, he does it in such a way as to provide some great entertainment and humor. Hell, I'm ready to have in the White House for a second term just for that.
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
Trump seems to have found a new mission in his life. Anti-drug crusader! He plans to spend lots of $$$$ on an advertising campaign to do just that.

Will it work, thoughts?



https://www.axios.com/quotes-from-trumps-opioid-speech-2501899318.html
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The way he articulates his plan, it sounds shallow and fanciful, but, in reality, advertising has become a medium of social change.

Yes, targeted advertising is likely to have a substantial impact but it will be hard to reverse the course of "everyone needs a med" that Big Pharma uses to dominate the scene right now.

Trump's plan will likely be more successful than the War on Drugs we've been collectively losing for the past two decades.
 
HowardBThiname said:
The way he articulates his plan, it sounds shallow and fanciful, but, in reality, advertising has become a medium of social change.

Yes, targeted advertising is likely to have a substantial impact but it will be hard to reverse the course of "everyone needs a med" that Big Pharma uses to dominate the scene right now.

Trump's plan will likely be more successful than the War on Drugs we've been collectively losing for the past two decades.
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Yes Trump's plan will be better than Reagan's plan
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
Trump seems to have found a new mission in his life. Anti-drug crusader! He plans to spend lots of $$$$ on an advertising campaign to do just that.

Will it work, thoughts?



https://www.axios.com/quotes-from-trumps-opioid-speech-2501899318.html
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"He would tell me, don't drink. And I listened to him. To this day I've never had a drink." - Trump
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That's really grape juice. Really, he's never had a drink. Never. Ever.
 
I can think of nothing more likely to get people hooked on drugs than the image of Donald Trump telling them not to get hooked on drugs.

And Gov. Nelson Rockefeller really missed the boat when he created the Narcotic Addiction and Control Commission in 1967. Really, NACC?? He totally should have called it the Narcotic Addiction and Regulation Commission. Duh. NARC. smh
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
Yes Trump's plan will be better than Reagan's plan
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:lol: He has to keep to the fictitious story white teenagers and white young adults, white soccer moms, white unemployed people that do nothing but sit in their homes, all go hooked on pain medication because they all were hard at work for decades swinging sledgehammers. But assuming that were the case you'd think these same people could stop their crying about how spoiled and never working the Millennials are.

Anyways... I'm mulatto. Never had to go on pain meds throughout anytime I did hard labor work. Never. So, how many weak bodied Americans are their that they bump their knees on their car doors and they need pain meds?

Fact is--and I've seen it with my own eyes from a crack addicted woman that sold pain meds to recreational drug users of those drugs to finance her own crack addiction--most these new white addicts got hooked on heroin and pain meds the same way these Brazilian crack addicts got hooked on crack: they knew people doing it for good times, tried it themselves, liked the feeling and kept on trucking away with it. Or how the hell did all those white people get hooked on meth before the heroin epidemic. Doctors prescribe street meth? Yeah: No.




I love Trump though for proclaiming he is going to solve addiction in America :lol:. At least he has brought some levity and entertainment to the White House. I'd vote for this guy again just for that.

But solving drug addiction, ending it I mean, is like solving masturbation and over eating, not the hell going to happen. You'd have an easier time keeping white people from sunbathing and self inducing skin cancer onto themselves.
 
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