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Old People who voted for Trump, HE LIED!!

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The GOP budget cuts 450 billion from Medicare. Want to bet that Trump signs that budget with those cuts? Again, he lied to his followers and especially the older Americans when he said he would protect Medicare and not allow cuts. I wonder how the older Americans who voted for and still support Trump feel now. Then I think they will never ever agree that they were fooled by the snake oil salesman we have in the White House. It is all about two things for Trump, getting a major win and the tax cuts for the wealthy. No one or thing other than those two matter.
 
Trump sees anything he signs as a "win". Anything. It could be "A". It could be the opposite of "A". Trump is a simpleton, and I don't understand people continuing to support him despite his constant flip-flops.
 
The GOP budget cuts 450 billion from Medicare. Want to bet that Trump signs that budget with those cuts? Again, he lied to his followers and especially the older Americans when he said he would protect Medicare and not allow cuts. I wonder how the older Americans who voted for and still support Trump feel now. Then I think they will never ever agree that they were fooled by the snake oil salesman we have in the White House. It is all about two things for Trump, getting a major win and the tax cuts for the wealthy. No one or thing other than those two matter.

Was it really a lie? or is he given the option of no budget or budget with those cuts?

Some of you seem to think that a republican president has unlimited powers and then bitch about how congress limits a democrat....thing is, any party in the white house works by the same rules (when enforced by congress) and in politics, nothing is ever accomplished without compromise.
 
Was it really a lie? or is he given the option of no budget or budget with those cuts?

Some of you seem to think that a republican president has unlimited powers and then bitch about how congress limits a democrat....thing is, any party in the white house works by the same rules (when enforced by congress) and in politics, nothing is ever accomplished without compromise.

Do you think old Republican voters want Medicare cuts? Because that's what they're getting. Moral of this story: Don't vote GOP if you rely on Medicare.
 
The GOP budget cuts 450 billion from Medicare. Want to bet that Trump signs that budget with those cuts? Again, he lied to his followers and especially the older Americans when he said he would protect Medicare and not allow cuts. I wonder how the older Americans who voted for and still support Trump feel now. Then I think they will never ever agree that they were fooled by the snake oil salesman we have in the White House. It is all about two things for Trump, getting a major win and the tax cuts for the wealthy. No one or thing other than those two matter.

They've been getting a steady feed of dopamine from him, admitting he lied would cut that off.

Basic biology.

That's why they won't turn on him.
 
Was it really a lie? or is he given the option of no budget or budget with those cuts?

Some of you seem to think that a republican president has unlimited powers and then bitch about how congress limits a democrat....thing is, any party in the white house works by the same rules (when enforced by congress) and in politics, nothing is ever accomplished without compromise.

I think he wants HIS tax cut and doesn't give a **** about anybody except himself, and maybe a little about his family.
 
Trump sees anything he signs as a "win". Anything. It could be "A". It could be the opposite of "A". Trump is a simpleton, and I don't understand people continuing to support him despite his constant flip-flops.

He has no ideology, and virtually no knowledge about policy. Because of that nobody should trust him.
 
Was it really a lie? or is he given the option of no budget or budget with those cuts?

Some of you seem to think that a republican president has unlimited powers and then bitch about how congress limits a democrat....thing is, any party in the white house works by the same rules (when enforced by congress) and in politics, nothing is ever accomplished without compromise.

Can Trump veto? YES will he? No. He lied. You can spin all you want, no one is falling for it. It's amazing you guys can't even admit he lied.
 
He has no ideology, and virtually no knowledge about policy. Because of that nobody should trust him.

I don't get it. To me, Trump has always been an empty suit and a con man. He sounds exactly like a say anything, B.S. used car salesman. The people who fell for that? WTF?
 
checking...

How GOP Budget Plan Will Wallop Retirees Forbes, Oct 25, 2017



Yep

From the article:
Worse yet, the tax cuts embedded in the plan would provide almost no relief to the middle and lower class. According to tax expert David Cay Johnston of DCReport, "annual tax savings alone for the 1% will be greater than the incomes earned by about 70% of Americans. But even within the 1%, the higher into the income stratosphere you go, the greater your tax savings.

Trump, who has made more than $100 million some years, will see his tax rate on most income fall from 39.6% to 25%. That’s a tax cut of 14.6 cents on each dollar, $14.6 million.

That’s $14.6 million a year that will not go to providing healthcare to millions of people, upgrade the nation’s nuclear arsenal, pay for soldiers’ funerals, rebuild Puerto Rico, better predict hurricanes, protect endangered species, build a border wall or even cover the Secret Service tab at Mar-a-Lago."

But, it will trickle. The same trickle you've been getting non-stop since 1980. Feels great. For some...
 
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But, it will trickle. The same trickle you've been getting non-stop since 1980. Feels great. For some...

I'd consider it a hard lesson learned for the middle class Americans that voted for him...but unfortunately we have to all pay for those suckers.
 
He has no ideology, and virtually no knowledge about policy. Because of that nobody should trust him.

But they chose him over a murdering feminazi socialist ****......maybe you and the others need to realize that the majority that voted "for" trump simply couldn't stand that bitch your side ran.
 
But they chose him over a murdering feminazi socialist ****......maybe you and the others need to realize that the majority that voted "for" trump simply couldn't stand that bitch your side ran.

He got nominated first. I can understand the vote against Hillary.
 
I'd consider it a hard lesson learned for the middle class Americans that voted for him...but unfortunately we have to all pay for those suckers.

Agreed.

I'm not far enough up the ladder to be immune myself. On top of that, I have pre-existing conditions, so when I can no longer work (maybe sooner) I'll be without insurance. However, I didn't vote for donny with my hand out expecting him to hand me a nice job and whatever else those suckers are expecting. The lower middle class is really going to get clobbered.
 
The GOP budget cuts 450 billion from Medicare. Want to bet that Trump signs that budget with those cuts? Again, he lied to his followers and especially the older Americans when he said he would protect Medicare and not allow cuts. I wonder how the older Americans who voted for and still support Trump feel now. Then I think they will never ever agree that they were fooled by the snake oil salesman we have in the White House. It is all about two things for Trump, getting a major win and the tax cuts for the wealthy. No one or thing other than those two matter.

I was hospitalized overnight a few months ago for the removal of a small skin cancer tumor on my forehead. For most patients this procedure is accomplished in a doctor's office, but because of an arrhythmia issue, my cardiologist suggested a precautionary short stay and that the procedure be performed in the hospital. As I left the hospital, my ride home and I stopped in at the cashier's office to verify his free parking for patient pick up. I also requested a copy of my hospitalization bill, an item few of us see when they are remitted directly to medicare or another insurer, and then we see a consolidated explanation of benefits.

One of the first items which caught my eye was a charge for 18 disposable paper bath towels at $14 each. The same towels sell 6 for $8 on Amazon and at Walmarts. I had showered that morning before leaving, and I did use one of those towels. When I finally reached someone within the hospital billing department for justification of this charge and those for other unused items and procedures (notice the multiple on the latter), I was told these are standardized charges for every hospital bill. After requesting a bill correction, I was told that could not be done as the bill had already been approved by Medicare and my supplementary insurer. I started speaking about fraud, embezzlement, a few other crimes and pressing criminal charges, the individual to whom I spoke hung up on me. I followed up with letters to the head of the billing department for the hospital, the president of the hospital, both NYS Senators, NYS Justice Department, the NYC District Attorney's Office, and appropriate officers of the Federal Justice Department.

Small potatoes, but 2 months later I received a corrected bill, showing an almost $3,200 reduction in charges, and proof of refunds to both Medicare and my supplemental insurer. I was never sent a bill for my coinsurance responsibilities. I still thought my bill was excessive for a one night hospital stay. I had checked in at 9PM, after dinner had been served, received one oral dose of an antibiotic at 4am, the procedure was performed at 6am, and I checked out of the hospital at 9:30am. During the procedure I received an intravenous dose of stronger antibiotics I would not have received in a doctor's office. I was sent home with a prescription for a three day supply or oral antibiotics as precautionary preventative medication. The 21 stitches were removed a week later in a doctor's office by a physician's assistant. I earned another minor scar.

I've read estimates that fraudulent practices in the medical fields is almost 40% greater for private insurers than all of the governmental programs combined. I don't know how accurate those estimates are.

You can easily extrapolate and multiply my billing experience by the many hospital stays covered by Medicare and Medicaid, and derive your own questions about why our medical bills are excessive. Then do the same for those covered through private insurers. The numbers for the amount of those procedures can be found in multiple sources on the internet. Accuracy is always questionable, but that's why we give our equations ranges of variance. You can do the same with thousands of other procedural billings from both hospitals and doctors, billings covered by both governmental and private insurers. The problem is not one of fraud, it is a problem with our healthcare system being based on procedural remuneration. Try giving that some thought before jumping to conclusions.

I am also aware that when budgets are proposed, each item is a starting point in negotiations. Try giving that some thought before jumping to conclusions.
 
Trump sees anything he signs as a "win". Anything. It could be "A". It could be the opposite of "A". Trump is a simpleton, and I don't understand people continuing to support him despite his constant flip-flops.

Hate to be the first to break it to you... but your confusion has a quite obvious explanation.

Trump supporters are stupid. Really, really stupid, and astoundingly gullible.
 
I was hospitalized overnight a few months ago for the removal of a small skin cancer tumor on my forehead. For most patients this procedure is accomplished in a doctor's office, but because of an arrhythmia issue, my cardiologist suggested a precautionary short stay and that the procedure be performed in the hospital. As I left the hospital, my ride home and I stopped in at the cashier's office to verify his free parking for patient pick up. I also requested a copy of my hospitalization bill, an item few of us see when they are remitted directly to medicare or another insurer, and then we see a consolidated explanation of benefits.

One of the first items which caught my eye was a charge for 18 disposable paper bath towels at $14 each. The same towels sell 6 for $8 on Amazon and at Walmarts. I had showered that morning before leaving, and I did use one of those towels. When I finally reached someone within the hospital billing department for justification of this charge and those for other unused items and procedures (notice the multiple on the latter), I was told these are standardized charges for every hospital bill. After requesting a bill correction, I was told that could not be done as the bill had already been approved by Medicare and my supplementary insurer. I started speaking about fraud, embezzlement, a few other crimes and pressing criminal charges, the individual to whom I spoke hung up on me. I followed up with letters to the head of the billing department for the hospital, the president of the hospital, both NYS Senators, NYS Justice Department, the NYC District Attorney's Office, and appropriate officers of the Federal Justice Department.

Small potatoes, but 2 months later I received a corrected bill, showing an almost $3,200 reduction in charges, and proof of refunds to both Medicare and my supplemental insurer. I was never sent a bill for my coinsurance responsibilities. I still thought my bill was excessive for a one night hospital stay. I had checked in at 9PM, after dinner had been served, received one oral dose of an antibiotic at 4am, the procedure was performed at 6am, and I checked out of the hospital at 9:30am. During the procedure I received an intravenous dose of stronger antibiotics I would not have received in a doctor's office. I was sent home with a prescription for a three day supply or oral antibiotics as precautionary preventative medication. The 21 stitches were removed a week later in a doctor's office by a physician's assistant. I earned another minor scar.

I've read estimates that fraudulent practices in the medical fields is almost 40% greater for private insurers than all of the governmental programs combined. I don't know how accurate those estimates are.

You can easily extrapolate and multiply my billing experience by the many hospital stays covered by Medicare and Medicaid, and derive your own questions about why our medical bills are excessive. Then do the same for those covered through private insurers. The numbers for the amount of those procedures can be found in multiple sources on the internet. Accuracy is always questionable, but that's why we give our equations ranges of variance. You can do the same with thousands of other procedural billings from both hospitals and doctors, billings covered by both governmental and private insurers. The problem is not one of fraud, it is a problem with our healthcare system being based on procedural remuneration. Try giving that some thought before jumping to conclusions.

I am also aware that when budgets are proposed, each item is a starting point in negotiations. Try giving that some thought before jumping to conclusions.

I can tell you from experience that private insurance gets ripped off just as badly.

The hospitals have a butt that they pull those ridiculous charges out of. They hope it "just gets paid", and it frequently does, as the insurers are to lazy to renegotiate every bill that comes in. It seems like a Whatever We Can Get Away With approach.

https://billadvocates.com/medical-billing-really-work/
 
Hate to be the first to break it to you... but your confusion has a quite obvious explanation.

Trump supporters are stupid. Really, really stupid, and astoundingly gullible.

1) They don't know they are being screwed. (stupid)
2) They don't care that they are being screwed as long as it pisses off other people. (stupid)
3) They aren't being screwed, which looks to be a rather small subset of people: a) some of the very wealthy. b) hard-right christians who care about nothing but banning gays and abortion.
 
I don't get it. To me, Trump has always been an empty suit and a con man. He sounds exactly like a say anything, B.S. used car salesman. The people who fell for that? WTF?

Trump is not an empty suit. He's an empty barrel.
 
The GOP budget cuts 450 billion from Medicare. Want to bet that Trump signs that budget with those cuts? Again, he lied to his followers and especially the older Americans when he said he would protect Medicare and not allow cuts. I wonder how the older Americans who voted for and still support Trump feel now. Then I think they will never ever agree that they were fooled by the snake oil salesman we have in the White House. It is all about two things for Trump, getting a major win and the tax cuts for the wealthy. No one or thing other than those two matter.

The budget also removes the State and local taxes deduction so you will now pay taxes on your taxes. These "savings" pave the way to give away 1.5 Trillion to the top 1% on the backs of the old and poor, who else?
 
But they chose him over a murdering feminazi socialist ****......maybe you and the others need to realize that the majority that voted "for" trump simply couldn't stand that bitch your side ran.

When your grandmother is thrown out of her nursing home you will see how stupid that sounds.
 
I was hospitalized overnight a few months ago for the removal of a small skin cancer tumor on my forehead. For most patients this procedure is accomplished in a doctor's office, but because of an arrhythmia issue, my cardiologist suggested a precautionary short stay and that the procedure be performed in the hospital. As I left the hospital, my ride home and I stopped in at the cashier's office to verify his free parking for patient pick up. I also requested a copy of my hospitalization bill, an item few of us see when they are remitted directly to medicare or another insurer, and then we see a consolidated explanation of benefits.

One of the first items which caught my eye was a charge for 18 disposable paper bath towels at $14 each. The same towels sell 6 for $8 on Amazon and at Walmarts. I had showered that morning before leaving, and I did use one of those towels. When I finally reached someone within the hospital billing department for justification of this charge and those for other unused items and procedures (notice the multiple on the latter), I was told these are standardized charges for every hospital bill. After requesting a bill correction, I was told that could not be done as the bill had already been approved by Medicare and my supplementary insurer. I started speaking about fraud, embezzlement, a few other crimes and pressing criminal charges, the individual to whom I spoke hung up on me. I followed up with letters to the head of the billing department for the hospital, the president of the hospital, both NYS Senators, NYS Justice Department, the NYC District Attorney's Office, and appropriate officers of the Federal Justice Department.

Small potatoes, but 2 months later I received a corrected bill, showing an almost $3,200 reduction in charges, and proof of refunds to both Medicare and my supplemental insurer. I was never sent a bill for my coinsurance responsibilities. I still thought my bill was excessive for a one night hospital stay. I had checked in at 9PM, after dinner had been served, received one oral dose of an antibiotic at 4am, the procedure was performed at 6am, and I checked out of the hospital at 9:30am. During the procedure I received an intravenous dose of stronger antibiotics I would not have received in a doctor's office. I was sent home with a prescription for a three day supply or oral antibiotics as precautionary preventative medication. The 21 stitches were removed a week later in a doctor's office by a physician's assistant. I earned another minor scar.

I've read estimates that fraudulent practices in the medical fields is almost 40% greater for private insurers than all of the governmental programs combined. I don't know how accurate those estimates are.

You can easily extrapolate and multiply my billing experience by the many hospital stays covered by Medicare and Medicaid, and derive your own questions about why our medical bills are excessive. Then do the same for those covered through private insurers. The numbers for the amount of those procedures can be found in multiple sources on the internet. Accuracy is always questionable, but that's why we give our equations ranges of variance. You can do the same with thousands of other procedural billings from both hospitals and doctors, billings covered by both governmental and private insurers. The problem is not one of fraud, it is a problem with our healthcare system being based on procedural remuneration. Try giving that some thought before jumping to conclusions.

I am also aware that when budgets are proposed, each item is a starting point in negotiations. Try giving that some thought before jumping to conclusions.

It's kind of a payoff to hospitals that are required to treat ER patients whether they get paid or not. I've had clients who work the ER tell me about patients who get ambulance service to bring their toddler in because of diaper rash. Those folks don't pay a doggone thing because they can't pay but you and I get the benefit of paying for them through insurance and Medicare.
 
The budget also removes the State and local taxes deduction so you will now pay taxes on your taxes. These "savings" pave the way to give away 1.5 Trillion to the top 1% on the backs of the old and poor, who else?

What's wonderful is the GOP rhetoric on how people shouldn't have their money taxed twice. Their philosophy applies to the top 1% or fewer. It's to motivate you to achieve, man!

I think even Ayn Rand might be disgusted by this stuff.
 
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