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What Harvey Weinstein Tells Us About the Liberal World

I'm glad you agree with me about the conservative myth.

What I pointed out was that in the real world, Corporations and investors will always avoid tax policy based on empty Left wing, wealth redistributive rhetoric

I assume youve never been told this before, but the kind of divisive and toxic class struggle rhetoric Bernie Sanders is known for is not real policy based reform. Its demagoguery, purely based on a appeal to emotion, meant to impress his naive followers and them alone

Good public policy is never predicated on envy and Bernie Sanders supporters have a lot of growing up to do

Lowering tax and regulatory burdens increases capital investment in the economy, and that increases economic activity and that leads to jobs growth
 
What a bunch of double-talking nonsense. You don't need religion to know that bullying someone just because you can is wrong, just as I don't need religion to tell me that killing and stealing is wrong. It's just wrong. Both conservatives and liberals should agree on that.

Where conservatives and liberals don't agree is on issues such as cutting taxes for the wealthy. Conservatives will argue that the wealthy will then use their windfall to create jobs for the less wealthy (which is nonsense). Liberals will point out that the wealthy will instead bank the savings and keep it for themselves - the obvious truth.

One man's 'obvious truth' is another economist's load of nonsense. If 'the wealthy' bank the money they do not pay in taxes then the banks have more money to lend to job creators. High taxes stifle wealth creation and economic development; a truth that is only obvious if one abandons political dogma and devotes some thought to the issue.
 
What a bunch of double-talking nonsense. You don't need religion to know that bullying someone just because you can is wrong, just as I don't need religion to tell me that killing and stealing is wrong. It's just wrong. Both conservatives and liberals should agree on that.

I can see you've never taken any philosophy courses and you seem to neither know much about history or anything sociologically actually.

Plenty of people believe bullying is the right thing to do and they do it. Plenty of people believe stealing is the right thing to do and do it. And back when the Aztecs believed sacrificing humans and eating their flesh was the right thing to to, guess what, they did it.

But my point original point was that everything in observational science, in the science of biology is perceived as amoral. When I took a philosophy of biology course in university we discussed the forcible rape of women from a completely amoral position, as the discussion was an inquiry into the evolutionary advantages of it (particularly of men raping lesbians--if "lesbian genes" were to be passed on into the genetic pool of a population). And I was saying that a construct of "good guys" vs "bad guys" in a construct of "morality" is inherently religious.

I had an atheist philosophy professor for a course on political freedom/liberty making a condescending statement about religious people believing in a objective "morality" that is "just out there somewhere." The exact same kind of morality you just tried to argue: that bullying and stealing are wrong because some "morality just out there in the universe makes it so." So, I'm saying you would be an example of that atheist philosophy professors view of how a religious person thinks.

Whereas, if we distinguish between "ethics" and "morality," as some people do, an atheist philosopher might argue "ethics" (agreed upon norms, or something elites impose unto the masses) are subjective and just something people make and agree upon in the belief doing so will bring about some preferred outcome they desire. So, a medical doctor fondling his female patients breasts might not objectively be immoral, may not make him a "bad guy," but it my make him unethical and unfit to practice medicine based upon the agreed ethical norms some professional medical board (with the power to license or strip of licensing) created.

Where conservatives and liberals don't agree is on issues such as cutting taxes for the wealthy. Conservatives will argue that the wealthy will then use their windfall to create jobs for the less wealthy (which is nonsense). Liberals will point out that the wealthy will instead bank the savings and keep it for themselves - the obvious truth.

I'm fiscally liberal. More so than most Democrats.

But I don't really subscribe to a one size fits all economic model--for all eras and for all countries--kind of economics belief. Particularly when financial innovations occur.

But anyways... in my view (because not all rich are equal just like not all the poor in the USA are equal, some poor are homeless on the streets, some are poor in nice apartments, some are poor in dilapidated 4 bedroom homes with rats in them) the lower rich are taxed way too heavy in the USA. I'm talking about surgeons and so forth. Individuals earning $200,000 and $500,000 a year, even maybe $1,000,000 a year. Nearly, in some states in particularly, 50% of their income is taxed. Some of these people have a quarter million in student loans to pay back too. And some of them provide immense benefits to society. Like a surgeon. People should not be made discouraged to pursue this because the taxes, and insurance they will need to buy, punishes them along with the grueling hours of study, service, and intellectual work on the whole.

The very rich--who ironically have loopholes to escape paying taxes on their income--need to be forced to pay up to 50% taxes on their income. If you are earning $10 million or $20 million a year (first off you're not worth all that no matter how brilliant or capable you are and how much you delude yourself in some inherent worth you think you are) let alone worth $1 billion or $20 billion already, we don't need your charity work as much as substantial tax dollars from you.

The super-rich, those familiies worth trillions is another issue. But Democrats focus too much on sticking it to the surgeons (who benefit society more than Facebook and their related tech geeks). Didn't Mark Zuckerberg declare his annual income in at $1.00 so that he could evade paying income tax? I think so. Many uper-rich do that. And I think Z Dawg is a Democrat opposed to men groping a sexy woman's plump behind.
 
One man's 'obvious truth' is another economist's load of nonsense. If 'the wealthy' bank the money they do not pay in taxes then the banks have more money to lend to job creators. High taxes stifle wealth creation and economic development; a truth that is only obvious if one abandons political dogma and devotes some thought to the issue.

Nota bene: A certain amount of taxation is required to supply the economy id est society with public goods.
 
So then just everyone is a pervert? Maybe we can just blame the individuals instead of this constant Cherry-Picking-Group-Blame. And say what you want about Bill, he didn't diddle any kids.

Either did Harvey, and you don’t know anything of Bill beyond what has been reported. Either way, you Harvey doesn’t cancel out you Bill. You just have two more perverts in the Democrat tent. It must be getting so crowded, they will have their own table at the convention.
 
That's rather desperate on your part. Hastert was elected in one congressional district and without his constituents knowing he was a pedophile. To label republican politicians in general as pedophiles based on Hastert is the product of a sick mind.

You are right, some are homophobes, some are gay, some assault women. You name it the GOP has it.
 
I can see you've never taken any philosophy courses and you seem to neither know much about history or anything sociologically actually. (don't consider this a quote)

Your vision of morality is not my vision of morality. That is most of history and damn the sociologists who don't know diddly squat about humanity. I am not religious, and that doesn't leave me void of reality.

If I don't grope the woman in my life, my life turns into a living hell. Just a question of perspective.

Weinstein's getting outed doesn't tell us anything, no more than playing footsies in public mens rooms. It ain't political despite the best efforts of those who politicize everything they can.
 
"Obvious truth "...Lol ! Liberals are naive enough to beleive the wealthy ( Corporations and investors ) will play along with the Lefts toxic and divisive class struggle narrative.

Conservatives realize thats nonsense, owing to the fact that trillions of dollars in profits have been getting parked in offshore tax shelters to avoid paying confiscatory tax rates

Yes and much of those profits are stolen from their employees. The greed is unending but some are now fessing up. Here is one of them.

But Don’t Rich People Create Jobs?

Forget everything you’ve been told about how the rich are job creators—that the more money we have, the more we invest, the more jobs we create, and the better the economy is for everybody. As our epidemic of stock buybacks clearly illustrates, capitalists like me already have more money than we know what to do with. Indeed, smart investors are struggling to cope with what Bain & Co. has termed “capital superabundance,” marked by a tripling of global capital since 1990 despite the ongoing stagnation of the underlying economy. Meanwhile, even as this glut of financial capital continues to grow, new technologies are dramatically reducing demand for capital.

It once cost billions to finance a new steel mill, the symbol of the old economy. But the new economy just isn’t nearly as capital-intensive—in other words, companies don’t need anything like this huge amount of reinvestment in stocks. For example, take Amazon. I was an early investor—it’s where I made much of my fortune. How much capital did Jeff Bezos initially raise to start up Amazon? One million dollars. Last year, Amazon reported over $74 billion in sales. It is this “investment supply–demand imbalance,” writes Bain, that is decisively shifting power “from owners of capital to owners of good ideas.”

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/economy/making-sense/middle-class-cant-get-ahead
 
What I pointed out was that in the real world, Corporations and investors will always avoid tax policy based on empty Left wing, wealth redistributive rhetoric

I assume youve never been told this before, but the kind of divisive and toxic class struggle rhetoric Bernie Sanders is known for is not real policy based reform. Its demagoguery, purely based on a appeal to emotion, meant to impress his naive followers and them alone

Good public policy is never predicated on envy and Bernie Sanders supporters have a lot of growing up to do

Lowering tax and regulatory burdens increases capital investment in the economy, and that increases economic activity and that leads to jobs growth

Your theory has been disproven. Lowering taxes and eliminating regulatory burdens crashes the economy. Remember this happened after 8 years of a conservative administration in 2008. Thanks for playing, but recent history disproves you. You're gonna have to do better than your arguments above. Perhaps you should consult with the Putin administration. Donald Trump certainly consults with and because of him, this nation is due for another economic crisis, along with several other crises Trump is responsible for.
 
One man's 'obvious truth' is another economist's load of nonsense. If 'the wealthy' bank the money they do not pay in taxes then the banks have more money to lend to job creators. High taxes stifle wealth creation and economic development; a truth that is only obvious if one abandons political dogma and devotes some thought to the issue.

Right-wing talking points. The same I've been hearing since Reagan. Your "theory" has already been disproven in recent history. Thank good we elected Obama in time to right the ship after Bush and your type of vandalism capsized it.
 
One man's 'obvious truth' is another economist's load of nonsense. If 'the wealthy' bank the money they do not pay in taxes then the banks have more money to lend to job creators. High taxes stifle wealth creation and economic development; a truth that is only obvious if one abandons political dogma and devotes some thought to the issue.

So...if that's the case, then those nations that have really low taxes should be kicking ass, economically speaking, right? AND those nations that have high taxes should be doing economically very poorly, right?

So tell me, when it comes to democracies, what nations have the highest standards of living, and have the healthiest economies? And are those nations high-tax or low-tax nations? I'll be waiting right here for your answer.
 
" Stolen from the employees " ??? Lol !

Yes that is what has happened. Corporate profits have doubled to 12% of GDP while their labor expenses are down 6%. Do the math

THE GREAT UPWARD DISTRIBUTION

Next time you hear a conservative complain about government redistributing to the poor, remind him the really big redistribution has been upward – from the middle class and the poor to the top.

1. Corporate profits have doubled over the last three decades – from about 6% of GDP to about 12% – reaching their highest share of the total economy in at least 85 years, tying the previous record set in 1942 when World War II pushed up profits (only to have most then taxed away). As a result, the stock market has boomed, with almost all the gains going to the richest 1 percent who own 40 percent of the the nation's stock. And executive pay has soared from 30 times the pay of average workers to 300 times.

2. The money has come from two sources:
A. Much of it from wages. As a share of the economy, wages have fallen by almost exactly the same amount as corporate profits have risen. Corporations have busted unions, outsourced jobs abroad, and made full-time employees contract workers and part-time employees.
B. Also from price hikes on ordinary consumers for everything from prescription drugs to health insurance to credit card overdrafts, and, more recently, Internet service. Big corporations have merged into giants that have power to set prices because they face little or no competition.

That’s the truth. Pass it on.

https://www.facebook.com/RBReich/photos/a.404595876219681.103599.142474049098533/1030707226941873/?type=3&theater
 
The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists are still with us.

"Clearly frustrated at the refusal of his contemporaries to recognise the inequity and iniquity of society, Tressell's cast of hypocritical Christians, exploitative capitalists and corrupt councillors provide a backdrop for his main target — the workers who think that a better life is "not for the likes of them". Hence the title of the book; Tressell paints the workers as "philanthropists" who throw themselves into back-breaking work for poverty wages to generate profit for their masters. ..."
 
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This essay is by Thomas Frank, author of "What's the Matter with Kansas?" (No right winger he.)



If the Nazis were in power these people would all be wearing swastika arm bands, expounding on scientific racism, and touting their access to The Leader all the while certain of their moral correctness.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/oct/21/harvey-weinstein-liberal-world

What Weinstein's fall tells us is that when such misconduct becomes known among the rank-and-file of the Left, the sexual predator's professional life is over, and he will never work in Hollywood again.

However, when such misconduct committed by a right-wing celebrity or politician becomes known among the rank-and-file of the Right, they elect him president...or, in the case of Bill O'Reilly, they renew his contract.

One side strongly believes in women's rights, and the other side thinks that women's rights are nothing more than "political correctness" to be ignored. That really is the long and the short of it.
 
Your theory has been disproven. Lowering taxes and eliminating regulatory burdens crashes the economy. Remember this happened after 8 years of a conservative administration in 2008. Thanks for playing, but recent history disproves you. You're gonna have to do better than your arguments above. Perhaps you should consult with the Putin administration. Donald Trump certainly consults with and because of him, this nation is due for another economic crisis, along with several other crises Trump is responsible for.

Lol ! No, it has not been disproven and you are woefully uniformed if you think lower taxes and a lack of regulations caused the 2008 financial crisis.

New REGULATIONS that were implemented in the early 90s which included DOJ threats of prosecution and multiple law suits against private lenders by AG Janet Reno forced these lenders to abandon their lending standards. This led to a increase in the Homeownership rate from 63 percent in 1993 to 68 percent in 2000.

From 2000-2008 the Homeownership rate increased another 1 percent to 69 percent.

New REGULATIONS forced the GSEs to purchase trillions of dollars in subprime loans under new Govt quotas. Fannie and Freddie securitized these subprime loans and sold them off as AAA MBSs.

These agency AAA rated MBSs that were backed by toxic debt made their way to Capital markets all over the world and onto the books of major banks and financial institutions.

Not " de-regulation " but new regulation and States like Texas have been proving just how effective supply side is in buildies and sustaining strong economies and growing multi-billion dollar budget surpluses for years and years.

California is proving just how destructive and regressive the Liberal tax and spend agenda is on a local and State level for years and years.

Again, these irresponsible and manipulative class warfare narratives predicated on envy were NEVER meant to be implemented on a policy level.

They're only meant to rile up Bernie Sanders very naive base
 
Lol ! No, it has not been disproven and you are woefully uniformed if you think lower taxes and a lack of regulations caused the 2008 financial crisis.

New REGULATIONS that were implemented in the early 90s which included DOJ threats of prosecution and multiple law suits against private lenders by AG Janet Reno forced these lenders to abandon their lending standards. This led to a increase in the Homeownership rate from 63 percent in 1993 to 68 percent in 2000.

From 2000-2008 the Homeownership rate increased another 1 percent to 69 percent.

New REGULATIONS forced the GSEs to purchase trillions of dollars in subprime loans under new Govt quotas. Fannie and Freddie securitized these subprime loans and sold them off as AAA MBSs.

These agency AAA rated MBSs that were backed by toxic debt made their way to Capital markets all over the world and onto the books of major banks and financial institutions.

Not " de-regulation " but new regulation and States like Texas have been proving just how effective supply side is in buildies and sustaining strong economies and growing multi-billion dollar budget surpluses for years and years.

California is proving just how destructive and regressive the Liberal tax and spend agenda is on a local and State level for years and years.

Again, these irresponsible and manipulative class warfare narratives predicated on envy were NEVER meant to be implemented on a policy level.

They're only meant to rile up Bernie Sanders very naive base

Again, you're wrong. For example Obama imposed a regulation that investment consultants has to work in the best interest of their clients. One of the first things the Trump administration did was eliminate that "harsh regulation", meaning investment firms no longer have to work in the best interest of their clients. That's just evil!

Bark at me all you want about regulations hurting the common person. Your obvious bereftness of business ethics and common sense is disappointing, but not surprising.
 
What Weinstein's fall tells us is that when such misconduct becomes known among the rank-and-file of the Left, the sexual predator's professional life is over, and he will never work in Hollywood again.

However, when such misconduct committed by a right-wing celebrity or politician becomes known among the rank-and-file of the Right, they elect him president...or, in the case of Bill O'Reilly, they renew his contract.

One side strongly believes in women's rights, and the other side thinks that women's rights are nothing more than "political correctness" to be ignored. That really is the long and the short of it.

Lol ! That is SUCH A LIE. The NYTs new about Weinstein in 2004 an burried the story giving him another 13 years to target innocent women
NBC burried the Ronan Farrow story months ago
Jane Fonda admitted she knew about this a year ago and said nothing as did so many in Hollywood who kept their mouths shut for years allowing this predator to continue assaulting women

YOUR side, the Left obviously believes in covering up the crimes of a sexual predator, they did it for years, and why ?

Not because of his wealth and power, but because of his connections to the Democratic party . What a bunch of hypocrities !
 
Lol ! That is SUCH A LIE. The NYTs new about Weinstein in 2004 an burried the story giving him another 13 years to target innocent women
NBC burried the Ronan Farrow story months ago
Jane Fonda admitted she knew about this a year ago and said nothing as did so many in Hollywood who kept their mouths shut for years allowing this predator to continue assaulting women

YOUR side, the Left obviously believes in covering up the crimes of a sexual predator, they did it for years, and why ?

Not because of his wealth and power, but because of his connections to the Democratic party . What a bunch of hypocrities !

WRONG! Are you wrong in that the newspapers wrongly buried the story? No. But you ARE wrong in that Weinstein's abuse was NOT known among the liberal rank-and-file, the regular liberal in the street such as myself. Once the rank-and-file liberals found out about it, Weinstein's career was over, done, kaput. Same thing when John Edwards' marital infidelity was exposed - his political career effectively ended that week.

But once the conservative rank-and-file found out about Trump's and Bill O'Reilly's abuse, what happened? They elected Trump president, and there's no apparent blowback at all at Fox's renewal of O'Reilly's contract.
 
Again, you're wrong. For example Obama imposed a regulation that investment consultants has to work in the best interest of their clients. One of the first things the Trump administration did was eliminate that "harsh regulation", meaning investment firms no longer have to work in the best interest of their clients. That's just evil!

Bark at me all you want about regulations hurting the common person. Your obvious bereftness of business ethics and common sense is disappointing, but not surprising.

Thats hillarious. The Obama administration dictating ethics to a private sector industry.

This is the same administration that targeted a American journalist ( James Rosen ) as a criminal co-conspirator under the 1922 Espionage act so Hokders DOJ could hack into his Emails and phone records.

This is the same administration thay surveilled and illegally unmasked the Political opposition right before a election and the same administration that flew 400 million cash to the leading State sponsor of terror in the World, Iran.

This is the same adminsitration that also approved a sale that gave Moscow control over 1/5 of our Uranium while knowing full well that Russian nuclear officials were engaged in criminal activity that included extortion, bribery and racketeering

Our GDP grew at a average of 1.8 percent under Obama while food stamp use grew exponentially.
Sorry, thats not acceptable and its time to let the fix the mess his administration caused.
That means lowering taxes and economy killing regulatary burden and let the free market do what it does best, creat jobs.
 
Thats hillarious. The Obama administration dictating ethics to a private sector industry.

This is the same administration that targeted a American journalist ( James Rosen ) as a criminal co-conspirator under the 1922 Espionage act so Hokders DOJ could hack into his Emails and phone records.

This is the same administration thay surveilled and illegally unmasked the Political opposition right before a election and the same administration that flew 400 million cash to the leading State sponsor of terror in the World, Iran.

This is the same adminsitration that also approved a sale that gave Moscow control over 1/5 of our Uranium while knowing full well that Russian nuclear officials were engaged in criminal activity that included extortion, bribery and racketeering

Our GDP grew at a average of 1.8 percent under Obama while food stamp use grew exponentially.
Sorry, thats not acceptable and its time to let the fix the mess his administration caused.
That means lowering taxes and economy killing regulatary burden and let the free market do what it does best, creat jobs.

I'll have to look into each of your claims, although I suspect it's all right-wing revisionist history.

I do notice, however that you avoided addressing the subject of my post, the Trump administration allowing financial institutions to screw their clients. Lots of "swamp draining" going on in that Trump administration - Wow!
 
The Nazis are on your side, dude.

Actually the nazis took their idea for the first racist state from democrats.

Try some history sometime. Its good for you.
 
This essay is by Thomas Frank, author of "What's the Matter with Kansas?" (No right winger he.)

If the Nazis were in power these people would all be wearing swastika arm bands, expounding on scientific racism, and touting their access to The Leader all the while certain of their moral correctness.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/oct/21/harvey-weinstein-liberal-world






Does it tell us anything about the libertarian world that a "libertarian" would use sexual assaults as a platform from which to call his perceived political enemies "Nazis"?

Or, if someone did that, might it just be an example of one specific person doing a very very *****y thing?
 
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renewal of O'Reilly's contract.

Oreilly works for fox?

News says that dude was fired as a result of internal inquiry.

The irony here is palpable that he uses a clinton guy to make himself look better.

Just over a week ago, Mr. O’Reilly hired the crisis communications expert Mark Fabiani — who worked in the Clinton White House — to respond to The Times. In a statement, Mr. O’Reilly suggested that his prominence made him a target.

“Just like other prominent and controversial people,” the statement read, “I’m vulnerable to lawsuits from individuals who want me to pay them to avoid negative publicity. In my more than 20 years at Fox News Channel, no one has ever filed a complaint about me with the Human Resources Department, even on the anonymous hotline.

“But most importantly, I’m a father who cares deeply for my children and who would do anything to avoid hurting them in any way. And so I have put to rest any controversies to spare my children.

Charge all the predators if they can. Abuse of power is pretty messed up no matter the form it takes.
 
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