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The SJW - Positive or negative impact on Liberal politics?

Yes dear... :roll: lol As I said, Canada has decided where it's going. Trudeau isn't perfect, there's lots of things I could criticize him for, and maybe there's a chance he won't get a second chance, but I could see an NDP government in power long before I could see a Conservative government, especially in it's current, disgraceful version. You guys lost your way when you dropped the Progressive from your party name. Now all the Conservatives have become is a meme, and a sad one at that.

I see...

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The Conservatives have closed the gap and Trudeau's numbers continue to drop.
In Ontario the the Liberals are in trouble too.
As for the NDP...ya well, no.

Enjoy that...dear...
 
1. I did it again - I read your previous post too quickly and missed the part where you said you "grew up in the 'hood"...and so I made an assumption about you and I was wrong. Please accept my apology - it's sincere...

Done. No problem. We all make mistakes (if you're human). It is a sign of good character to admit one has made a mistake.

3. But when it comes to living in a poverty-ridden inner city, I do know a thing or two about that (got a house in Manila, 15M people with poverty worse than most Americans ever see, and nearly-nonexistent social services), and I do see a bit what grinding poverty does to a person. It's not just the hunger or the lack of a safe place to sleep, but the sheer hopelessness, of looking around and knowing that it will be almost impossible to get out of the poverty, that no one cares about each other, and that one is trapped there for life.

Hell, you know a lot more and seen a lot more grinding poverty than me. And Manila is huge. Never been there but I'm aware it is very large and a very densely populated city.

Tell me... is Manila very dangerous or just some what dangerous or how would you describe it? I used to--very briefly--take some JKD martial arts which drew upon Filipino Martial Arts (Escrima/Kali/Arnis). And FMA is big into the knife fighting, and machete fighting (which the sticks mimic). What I was told was the Filipinos had a strong knife fighting culture--as in the villages and in the larger city streets. True?

It's a true megalopolis...and a bit of a far cry from growing up out in the boonies in the Delta.

Well... I'm sure there is plenty to learn in rural environments. Actually, I'm of the opinion rural people can adapt and survive in city life quicker and easier than city folks can adapt to and survive in rural environments. Be that farmlands or think rainforest jungles. Rural areas take some years of learning survival skills whereas modern urban life is so convenient that it only takes a few days or few months to really figure things out.

4. You should write a book - a lot of people would like to hear what you have to say. Also, I strongly recommend that you spend some time on Quora.com - it's far bigger than DP, and its population is truly international, egalitarian, and cosmopolitan. I think you'd enjoy it very much.

@ Blue bold: I don't know about that part. But the genre of "urban literature" has grown pretty large in popularity again. Or is it called "urban fiction"? Can't remember, I'll have too google it. I know the downtown Milwaukee library has whole aisles stacked with these books. Of course, their inner-city libraries do too as well. I haven't read any of it but I have read some of the back covers (usually paperbacks). Most or all of it comes off to me as some of the typical overly exaggerated, inner-city, fantasies typical among many Black-Americans from the "hood." Kind of like every time I've been in a rehab nearly every black person in their claims to have been a Nino Brown :lol:. Amazing how that is. So many Nino Browns yet ironically you see so very few Nino Browns on the actual streets.

I like the way Ice Berg Slim wrote decades ago. He was very descriptive too. If I wrote anything it would be non-fiction and more akin to his writing. Which means it would be surprising because it would reflect reality. In other words not so glamorous. And also not from a place of pure, raw, masculine strength like one finds in the book of former real life LA Crip "Monster Kodie Scott."

I don't know how many urban lit books I have picked up (actually, I have not bothered to browse many) to read the back covers. Authored by someone under a female name (I presume by the theme it is really a woman). The book apparently being about some good black woman trying to change some tough rising drug dealer on his way to be the next Nino Brown, into a more calm and faithful lover. :roll:
 
Done. No problem. We all make mistakes (if you're human). It is a sign of good character to admit one has made a mistake.

Thanks :)

Hell, you know a lot more and seen a lot more grinding poverty than me. And Manila is huge. Never been there but I'm aware it is very large and a very densely populated city.

Tell me... is Manila very dangerous or just some what dangerous or how would you describe it? I used to--very briefly--take some JKD martial arts which drew upon Filipino Martial Arts (Escrima/Kali/Arnis). And FMA is big into the knife fighting, and machete fighting (which the sticks mimic). What I was told was the Filipinos had a strong knife fighting culture--as in the villages and in the larger city streets. True?

Manila's like any other city in that there's places that you just don't go...but except for that, in my experience, Manila is safer - yes, safer - than most major American cities. It was difficult to track down the stats, but Manila has a lower homicide rate (or did before Duterte became president) than Mississippi. I'm almost certain that this is because firearms aren't easy to get there - they're too expensive for the poor. The ones who have money can get firearms without much problem...but that means that they have money and have little need to go robbing other people.

What's more, non-Filipinos can walk the streets in relative safety - I've never had a problem in all the times I've been there. Of course, I learned a long time ago in foreign nations to treat everyone very courteously and honorably, to never be rude to anyone...and in the Navy, almost without exception it was the sailors who had attitude problems (or who got drunk) who had problems in overseas ports. I got pickpocketed once - by a group of three kids no older than ten - but I can't get angry at them, for it was my fault that I gave them the opportunity to get the 800 pesos out of my pocket. I will say this, though - whites have it easy there with the people, and the blacks somewhat less so - there is always the racism (though not nearly as bad as in China or Japan), but once they get used to you, they'll treat you like family. And one more thing about Manila (or any other third-world nation): don't ever tell them you are broke, for they simply won't believe you. You are an American, and as such - in their eyes - you have enough money...even if you don't. You can tell them that you have to be very careful with your money, but don't tell them you're broke. But if you treat even the dirt-poor with real respect, they'll bend over backwards to help you.

One last thing about the Philippines - it's a LOT like the Deep South. It's not just the "Sir" or "Ma'am" (or "po" which is the gender-neutral equivalent of both), or the deep respect for the elderly, but it's also the food - boiled peanuts, chitlins(!), okra, mustard greens, fish...heck, one of the most popular sodas there is Royal Crown (RC)! I even know of two Creole restaurants in Manila!

I don't know how many urban lit books I have picked up (actually, I have not bothered to browse many) to read the back covers. Authored by someone under a female name (I presume by the theme it is really a woman). The book apparently being about some good black woman trying to change some tough rising drug dealer on his way to be the next Nino Brown, into a more calm and faithful lover. :roll:

You've got real skill at writing - your passion shows - it's something you can't help. Either be a writer or a teacher or both - or better yet, consider politics, starting at the local level. I'm not kidding and I'm not patronizing you (to me, patronization is an insult). I can count on one hand all the people I've said this to in my life. You've got a writer's voice and you've got an important message - be heard, please! Again, consider getting into politics - you can make a real difference!
 
Manila's like any other city in that there's places that you just don't go...but except for that, in my experience, Manila is safer - yes, safer - than most major American cities.

This is honestly not what I expected you to say. My impression have been that Manila is a pretty dangerous city. Or maybe it is I don't know... because you also said there are areas of Manila "you just don't go." I'm taking that to mean they will murder you in those area? And if they are kind they will do it quickly and also leave your body to be found? As opposed taking you into some filthy shack and torturing you for days, weeks, months and then dismembering your body, discarding the remains among animals and in trash heaps.

But if it's just that if you go in some areas they might recognize you as a rich outsider (relative to them in that slum at least), crack you over your head, and rifle through your pockets? Then I guess I can take that.

But being murdered and chopped up is a little too much for me.

If Manila is really--overall--safer than say Baltimore or Detroit or Atlanta or New Orleans then that will surprise me. A pleasant surprise though.

It was difficult to track down the stats, but Manila has a lower homicide rate (or did before Duterte became president) than Mississippi. I'm almost certain that this is because firearms aren't easy to get there - they're too expensive for the poor. The ones who have money can get firearms without much problem...but that means that they have money and have little need to go robbing other people.

Well... Mississippi is too big. I'd rather see how Manila rates (not just in killing but say being beat up, stabbed, just assaulted) against Jackson, Mississippi which is a violent enough place.

Don't get me wrong, I hope it is true Manila is safer than Jackson, Mississippi or New Orleans or whatever. That would be awesome. I'm just skeptical that it is. But then I have not been there and you live there. So what do I know.
 
What's more, non-Filipinos can walk the streets in relative safety - I've never had a problem in all the times I've been there.

Now this I am happy to hear. Particularly in the more entertainment and "cultural" areas of the city.


And one more thing about Manila (or any other third-world nation): don't ever tell them you are broke, for they simply won't believe you. You are an American, and as such - in their eyes - you have enough money...even if you don't. You can tell them that you have to be very careful with your money, but don't tell them you're broke. But if you treat even the dirt-poor with real respect, they'll bend over backwards to help you.

:mrgreen: Thank you for this advice, I will store it away in my brain, and will use it one day when I finally visit the Philippines or some other nation with high levels of extreme poverty.



You've got real skill at writing - your passion shows - it's something you can't help. Either be a writer or a teacher or both - or better yet, consider politics, starting at the local level. I'm not kidding and I'm not patronizing you (to me, patronization is an insult). I can count on one hand all the people I've said this to in my life. You've got a writer's voice and you've got an important message - be heard, please! Again, consider getting into politics - you can make a real difference!

Thank you for your very kind words. Really.

The writing I might do but the politics is not an option. I have too many skeletons, too many bones of shame, to ever make it in politics. Plus, it would be better for me to take a less noticeable route, and repent in a "desert" of some sort. Be that behind doors in a city, or more secluded in the wilderness or monastery, or an actual desert like in Egpyt.

Sinners like me have to be careful about the lime light or gaining positions of power and respect from others. We (sinners of my kind of past) might have to sacrifice our life in some measure in this world, being poor or if not poor then out of fame and lime light, with a focus on penance, that we may gain life in the next.


Hey... saint Mary of Egypt was beautiful it is said. But then she isolated herself in the desert and began to look like a wild beast. I have no idea how she did it, let alone being torment for 17 years every day by her mind imagining the sounds and scenes of her former pleasures of sin and company of her past. She had more in her heart and belly than me. So, I guess living the rest of my life in a city around people, but in more obscurity, and with some times spent in solitude, would be a much easier path than she took.


St. Mary of Egypt and incarcerated prostitutes
 
This is honestly not what I expected you to say. My impression have been that Manila is a pretty dangerous city. Or maybe it is I don't know... because you also said there are areas of Manila "you just don't go." I'm taking that to mean they will murder you in those area? And if they are kind they will do it quickly and also leave your body to be found? As opposed taking you into some filthy shack and torturing you for days, weeks, months and then dismembering your body, discarding the remains among animals and in trash heaps.

But if it's just that if you go in some areas they might recognize you as a rich outsider (relative to them in that slum at least), crack you over your head, and rifle through your pockets? Then I guess I can take that.

But being murdered and chopped up is a little too much for me.

If Manila is really--overall--safer than say Baltimore or Detroit or Atlanta or New Orleans then that will surprise me. A pleasant surprise though.

Again, it's a bit different since Duterte took over, since now the police act with impunity, but the only part of Manila I won't go to is an area called "Tondo", because it is too poor. I would be most likely to be robbed there, and - if I walk there at nighttime - I might well wake up dead. Every city has its most dangerous section, and that's Manila's. Even then, if I just had to go to Tondo at night, I wouldn't be any more afraid than I would be walking alone in south Seattle at night. And if you're walking with two or three people you can trust, then you'd be relatively safer in Tondo than in the Rainier Avenue area of Seattle anyway, since very few of the locals there have guns. To me, more than anything else, the lack of guns makes most of the difference.

Well... Mississippi is too big. I'd rather see how Manila rates (not just in killing but say being beat up, stabbed, just assaulted) against Jackson, Mississippi which is a violent enough place.

Don't get me wrong, I hope it is true Manila is safer than Jackson, Mississippi or New Orleans or whatever. That would be awesome. I'm just skeptical that it is. But then I have not been there and you live there. So what do I know.

Yes, I'd definitely say Manila's safer than Jackson. Thing is, I'd say that in Manila, you're more likely to get pickpocketed or have something stolen from you...but in Jackson, you're more likely to get assaulted or worse. Again, so much depends on factors such as how well one understand the local culture, one's attitude and level of sobriety, but I think that if one is an easy mark in one city, one would be an easy mark in any city.
 
Now this I am happy to hear. Particularly in the more entertainment and "cultural" areas of the city. :mrgreen: Thank you for this advice, I will store it away in my brain, and will use it one day when I finally visit the Philippines or some other nation with high levels of extreme poverty. Thank you for your very kind words. Really.

The writing I might do but the politics is not an option. I have too many skeletons, too many bones of shame, to ever make it in politics. Plus, it would be better for me to take a less noticeable route, and repent in a "desert" of some sort. Be that behind doors in a city, or more secluded in the wilderness or monastery, or an actual desert like in Egpyt.

Sinners like me have to be careful about the lime light or gaining positions of power and respect from others. We (sinners of my kind of past) might have to sacrifice our life in some measure in this world, being poor or if not poor then out of fame and lime light, with a focus on penance, that we may gain life in the next.


Hey... saint Mary of Egypt was beautiful it is said. But then she isolated herself in the desert and began to look like a wild beast. I have no idea how she did it, let alone being torment for 17 years every day by her mind imagining the sounds and scenes of her former pleasures of sin and company of her past. She had more in her heart and belly than me. So, I guess living the rest of my life in a city around people, but in more obscurity, and with some times spent in solitude, would be a much easier path than she took.

I understand what you mean about skeletons in the closet - I've my own, and can never get involved in politics for the same reason. And perhaps it's better that way, since this means that my family will never have to suffer being in the media spotlight just because I want to make a political difference - anonymity is often a greater treasure than fame, I suspect. So, like you, I write, and I have to write anyway.

Grandma Moses was a painter who began her career at 78...but she loved to paint - it's what she had to do. The Wiki article doesn't mention it, but I remember the news when they said that she was so old that they had to take away her painting supplies, and I felt so very sad for her. I was young then and knew nothing about dementia, but I remember feeling that they had taken away her voice. For the same reason, I hope they never take away something I can use to write, even if it's just a pencil and paper. A writer must write - any books or articles published along the way are just gravy. I think you understand what I mean.
 
Even then, if I just had to go to Tondo at night, I wouldn't be any more afraid than I would be walking alone in south Seattle at night. And if you're walking with two or three people you can trust, then you'd be relatively safer in Tondo than in the Rainier Avenue area of Seattle anyway, since very few of the locals there have guns. To me, more than anything else, the lack of guns makes most of the difference.



Yes, I'd definitely say Manila's safer than Jackson. Thing is, I'd say that in Manila, you're more likely to get pickpocketed or have something stolen from you...but in Jackson, you're more likely to get assaulted or worse. Again, so much depends on factors such as how well one understand the local culture, one's attitude and level of sobriety, but I think that if one is an easy mark in one city, one would be an easy mark in any city.

Wow!!!! :shock:

You would not think it looking at the level of poverty--on YouTube videos--in the Philippines.

So, you have to tell me now, particularly because I've heard/read of Tondo and knew it was slum that people (online) have said cam be dangerous. Is this Filipino guy in BJJ (Brazilian Jujitsu) exaggerating about this Taft Avenue by that Catholic college? In the video he said it was a lot of mob fights on that street and blood being left in the street.

But I can tell he has been shot before because he has that long vertical scar going down his abdomen like me. Like many Black-American men actually. When surgeons have to go into your abdomen they cut there. Then--at least in my case--staple it back up.

He points to that long scar as having been sliced by knives but I think its from being shot.


 
What is it your mother told you, when you came across a bully in elementary school?
Mine told me to ignore them and they'd go away. Then my dad added..."unless they hit you".

Is the Social Justice Warrior, and indeed the entire Politically Correct movement, having a positive or negative impact on Liberal politics?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzc8glS2r_o

I have always cast my votes for the candidate who best reflects my opinions and beliefs at any given time. Thus I've voted Liberal, Conservative, and even once came close for voting for the NDP. But I had already had enough of the PC ever-lovin' SJW before Donny got elected, and after seeing the response to the last presidential election, and the ill feeling I get everytime I have to listen to Canada's PM Pixey-Dust, I'm presently a firm conservative vote.

I'm curious how other independents and centerists feel about this?

I think the SJW movement will soon begin paying dividends to liberal politics, so I am surprised that I disagree with TheGoverness. I don't think it's having a negative impact on liberal politics, so far it hasn't had much of any effect. SJW's support mainstream liberals without actually being part of the mainstream. I don't particularly like them, so maybe that's why I don't consider myself liberal, but many people do sympathize with them.

I think if anyone is an SJW these days, MGTOW or MRA could be considered SJW. While these are not fringe extremist groups, they are fighting for social justice for men as much as feminists fight for social justice for women. But MGTOW and MRA typically drive liberals back into the mainstream because of leftist SJW gaslighting, and slandering.

I say it's net positive for liberals, but the effects have yet to be seen.
 
For all of you who need a smile today...



Yer welcome...
 
Wow!!!! :shock:

You would not think it looking at the level of poverty--on YouTube videos--in the Philippines.

So, you have to tell me now, particularly because I've heard/read of Tondo and knew it was slum that people (online) have said cam be dangerous. Is this Filipino guy in BJJ (Brazilian Jujitsu) exaggerating about this Taft Avenue by that Catholic college? In the video he said it was a lot of mob fights on that street and blood being left in the street.

But I can tell he has been shot before because he has that long vertical scar going down his abdomen like me. Like many Black-American men actually. When surgeons have to go into your abdomen they cut there. Then--at least in my case--staple it back up.

He points to that long scar as having been sliced by knives but I think its from being shot.

I'm familiar with Taft Avenue - that's not a bad area. Manila General Hospital - one of the few public hospitals - is on Taft Ave. The reason why he saw so many fights there is that combining poverty, young men, and alcohol is always an explosive mixture, a tragedy waiting to happen. On the other hand, my family lives in Sampaloc, a suburb that is poorer than the Taft Ave area. I've got well over 40 family members there, and while several of them have been in fights (with the older ones, even as part of a gang back in the day), only one has ever been knifed and shot at. He was a drug dealer and I paid off a judge to get him out of jail. He's in America now holding down a full-time job and while he's not rich, he's living a peaceful life raising his son here. His older son, btw, got a full scholarship to UPenn for immunology, and also interned a couple of summers at a research facility run by Harvard. I'm inordinately proud of him!

Back to the video - his university was De La Salle - that's a good university there, even though it's a religious one. If you go to a religious university there (almost all of which are Catholic), religious classes are required...and if you disagree with their religion, you'll have to take a class where they teach you the Catholic religion. We're not Catholic - in fact, we belong to the Iglesia ni Cristo (Church of Christ), and we oppose Catholicism, but my oldest son still had to sit through their classes.

But more to the point, I think you'd agree that those young men who are full of testosterone, who hang out around bars where the beer is cheap, are much, much more likely to wind up in bar brawls and - if they're part of a gang (a "barkada" in the local language), a gang fight. Not only that, but I think it's accurate to say that the poorer a young man is, the more important his pride is to him. He might not have money or a lot of things, but he has his pride, and he'll fight to defend his pride...which is why IMO young men in poor countries are much more likely to fight to defend their pride/honor/whatever.

One last thing - I didn't know that was the source of the term "Leatherneck". Thanks!
 
I'm familiar with Taft Avenue - that's not a bad area. Manila General Hospital - one of the few public hospitals - is on Taft Ave. The reason why he saw so many fights there is that combining poverty, young men, and alcohol is always an explosive mixture, a tragedy waiting to happen.

What is your impression--and knowledge of Western style accommodations in residential units (1 bedroom apartment with shower and toilet)--in Binondo, Emirta, and Intamuros?

By "Western" I mean--in part--no damn shower essentially the side of the toilet (without a raised boarder on the floor).

Square feet preferably 500 but no less than 300 (1 bedroom or studio, whichever).

What would the monthly rent typically be in those areas (no luxury units/buildings)? Converted into US dollars if you don't mind. Estimated in your mind (you don't need to do an actual accurate currency conversion).

And I understand Air Conditioning is something of a luxury in the Philippines with. What would a "typical" (in your mind, I know you can't know exactly) monthly electrical bill look like if an A/C unit was running half the day (12 hours) every day?


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A typical 3 credit course at MATC (Milwaukee, not Madison) would run about roughly $500 and a typical 3 credit course at UW-Milwaukee would run what... $1,000 I believe. Both are public.

What would a typical 3 credit course at a public college in Manila run? What about a typical 3 credit course at a Catholic college in Manila. I think a while back I looked and if memory serves me correct it was about $100 for your typical 3 credit course at a public college in Manila? Maybe it was $50 actually. Can't recall exactly.


One last thing - I didn't know that was the source of the term "Leatherneck". Thanks!

Yeah, it's derived from some protective leather U.S. Marines used to wear around their necks to protect their necks from sword slashes. I don't recall if it was born from some experience in a specific region--like the Philippines--but yeah it had to with not getting cut on the neck. (The various machete "knife" styles of the Philippines, can be considered swords, but for some odd reason [odd to me anyways] some in the martial arts world call them "knives." Well... those are some damn long knives. :lol:)
 
Ya that's true. Which makes me wonder.
Could this be a case of the public being lead down a garden path by both antagonists?
Who actually benefits from all this social upheaval? The news media, for one. This is Christmas to them.

Right-wing-nutz have always been there. Probably always will. And in my memory, the best reaction to them, was no reaction.
To belittle their odd ideas, by refusing to give it lip-service. But now it looks like there are a ton of "left-wing-nutz".
Not yer favorite "Communist" or "Marxist", but crazy-assed activists who feel this overwhelming need to go out and pick fist fights with the people we all used to ignore. And more often than not, they wind up at odds with the cops and the law.

So many people have scolded me, and told me that I can not draw any sort of equivalence between the SJW movement, and the white nationalist movement. I don't "cotton" to either, but I'm not impressed by the actions of one side in particular. Except this person...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDYNVH0U3cs
ROFLMAO!!! Ya...she impresses me...
I wish I could bring back George Carlin for just 1 hr.
He would have LOVED this!

The "left-wing-nutz"...are being outsmarted by a bunch of hill-billies.
Bravo....

George Carlin would have a FIELD DAY with the current state of politics and it would be funny as hell.

Obviously the woman in the video has some severe mental health issues. She might want to keep some Xanax on hand for 2020.


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What is it your mother told you, when you came across a bully in elementary school?
Mine told me to ignore them and they'd go away. Then my dad added..."unless they hit you".

Is the Social Justice Warrior, and indeed the entire Politically Correct movement, having a positive or negative impact on Liberal politics?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzc8glS2r_o

I have always cast my votes for the candidate who best reflects my opinions and beliefs at any given time. Thus I've voted Liberal, Conservative, and even once came close for voting for the NDP. But I had already had enough of the PC ever-lovin' SJW before Donny got elected, and after seeing the response to the last presidential election, and the ill feeling I get everytime I have to listen to Canada's PM Pixey-Dust, I'm presently a firm conservative vote.

I'm curious how other independents and centerists feel about this?

Negative. In fact, I think the more it's pushed, the more spiteful people against it become.
 
The only reason that conservatives and some independents see "SJW's" as negative is because that's how the right wants to label those who fight for civil rights. According to what seems to be the perception of conservatives today, almost everyone involved in the Civil Rights struggle would have been seen as an "SJW". It seems that even Truman would have been seen as an SJW for demanding full integration of the military.

Here's the key: you can have freedom TO discriminate, or you can have freedom FROM discrimination. You can't have both. Y'all need to make up your minds as to whether you want a nation where people are judged by the content of their character, or whether you stand with the white nationalists who whine whenever those terrible, oh-so-unAmerican SJW's remind them of our nation's racist heritage.

So make up your minds what you want: freedom to discriminate, or freedom from discrimination. You can have one or the other, but not both. Just bear in mind that if you want the freedom to discrimination, someday you (or your children or grandchildren) might be on the receiving end of that discrimination. Careful what you wish for.

And why do some Liberals see it as negative?
 
And why do some Liberals see it as negative?

Who said that we do? Just you.

That being said, sure, there's probably a very small percentage of liberals who see SJW's as a negative thing, just as there's probably a very small percentage of Republicans who see SJW's as a positive thing. But the very few do not represent the whole.
 
I look at this New York Times article and then I googled up the President of South Africa (because I was pretty sure he is a black guy). That led me--on Wikipedia--to click on the ANC Party which he belongs to. Which led me to click on "social democrat." And well, well, what do I find. ANC is a party of Social Justice Warriors.

I have too scandalous a life to ever make it in politics--I would not want the responsibility anyways, as I view the power as a cross rather than chance to get rich and be celebrity like Clinton, Bush, Obama, or even Trump. But one thing I would be driven for is "a great kingdom" as in epic levels to make all human history. As opposed to being driven to obey and serve the party for the glory and benefit of the party. The ANC I imagine is not much different than the Democratic and Republican Party in this way.

I guess the black leadership in South Africa--like that of Nigeria--is not imbued with a sense of obligation to the greater black world. That they eyes of the black world need to be drawn to them and then their spirits given an uplift in hope and pride as they witness, and the world witnesses the rise of a might black elephant on the continent of Africa.

Black South Africa would do well to look at Mother Russia as well today's Germany and see what works in those nations that black people in Africa can adapt for use. As in Russians in Russia are imbued with a sense of obligation to make Russia (Russians--white and ethnic) great. You don't see the Democrats with their Social Justice chant building a monumental bridge, engineering marvel, for trains and cars across a massive body of water do you? No. But you see mighty Russia doing it even as the Democrats and Republicans spend 99% of their mental, political, and work energy on creating ever more sanctions against Russia. Those Dip [S word] can't even fix Skid Row let alone build an engineering marvel with no sanctions and money flooding in to drown the American rich from all over the world.






I have not read the full article [yet] but only the first 2 or few paragraphs.


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/24/business/south-africa-economy-apartheid.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=second-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

End of Apartheid in South
Africa? Not in Economic Terms

Political liberation has yet to translate into material gains for
blacks. As one woman said, “I’ve gone from a shack to a shack.”

By PETER S. GOODMANOCT. 24, 2017

This reality is palpable as turmoil now seizes South Africa. Enraged protesters demand the ouster of President Jacob Zuma over disclosures of corruption so high-level that it is often described as state capture, with private interests having effectively purchased the power to divert state resources in their direction. The economy keels in recession, worsening an official unemployment rate reaching nearly 28 percent.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Zuma

Jacob Gedleyihlekisa Zuma[needs IPA] (born 12 April 1942) is a South African politician. He has served as the President of South Africa since 2009.[5] Zuma is the President of the African National Congress (ANC), the governing political party, and was Deputy President of South Africa from 1999-2005.[6]



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy

Social democracy is a political, social and economic ideology that supports economic and social interventions to promote social justice within the framework of a capitalist economy, as well as a policy regime involving a commitment to representative democracy...


Given I don't know much about South Africa or its politics and the ANC currently, I suppose I need to temper my judgment until I find out more about it. I hope the ANC has not been more concerned with lining its own pockets rather than helping the masses of black South Africans rise out of abject poverty. I hope.





FRANCE 24 English
Published on Mar 28, 2017
 
What is it your mother told you, when you came across a bully in elementary school?
Mine told me to ignore them and they'd go away. Then my dad added..."unless they hit you".

Is the Social Justice Warrior, and indeed the entire Politically Correct movement, having a positive or negative impact on Liberal politics?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzc8glS2r_o

I have always cast my votes for the candidate who best reflects my opinions and beliefs at any given time. Thus I've voted Liberal, Conservative, and even once came close for voting for the NDP. But I had already had enough of the PC ever-lovin' SJW before Donny got elected, and after seeing the response to the last presidential election, and the ill feeling I get everytime I have to listen to Canada's PM Pixey-Dust, I'm presently a firm conservative vote.

I'm curious how other independents and centerists feel about this?

SJW is a perjorative with little meaning other than to demonize an opposition with blanket statements rather than address anything individually.
 
What in the **** does a street fight have to do with this thread?

It's an individual incident...you wanted to address things individually.
Address this individual incident.
 
It's an individual incident...you wanted to address things individually.
Address this individual incident.

Sure. It's a street fight.

There ya go! and you're welcome. Let me know if you have trouble identifiying other obvious scenarios.
 
Sure. It's a street fight.

There ya go! and you're welcome. Let me know if you have trouble identifiying other obvious scenarios.

I see...ok a bunch of coloured kids beatin' the **** out of an old white guys is...just a street fight to you.
bye...
 
I see...ok a bunch of coloured kids beatin' the **** out of an old white guys is...just a street fight to you.
bye...

A pack of stupid criminals who should be in jail. By your immediate use of race baiting I'm sure you probably think it's evidence of something much bigger like uhhhhhh a race war?
 
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