Trump the tyrant?? Not so much

Despite all the complaining and bed wetting by the left, Trump is not the tyrant they feared. In fact, he is undoing the rule-by-fiat of the prior administration. Look what Trump has done: he has withdrawn us from the Paris Accords, the Iran deal, ended DACA, and dismantling Obamacare. He is returning us to Constitutional government by ending the rule by fiat of Obama. Each of these four issues are being turned over to congress where they belong. If the public wants these things, they can pressure their elected representatives to enact them into law. That is how our system is supposed to work and kudos to Trump for making that happen.

Completely agree.

Whoa! Some of you might believe Team Trump performs miracles every day! Look and listen: just today Trump took steps to devastate Healthcare for millions of Americans; announced plans to fix the horrible deal with Iran and professed his love for Puerto Rico!

I don't hate Trump. I just recognize his obvious insatiable need to have his ego stroked matches his incompetence to serve as POTUS. I put my faith in the collective strength of our Institutions to survive the Reign of Trump.

Fletch said:

Despite all the complaining and bed wetting by the left, Trump is not the tyrant they feared. In fact, he is undoing the rule-by-fiat of the prior administration. Look what Trump has done: he has withdrawn us from the Paris Accords, the Iran deal, ended DACA, and dismantling Obamacare. He is returning us to Constitutional government by ending the rule by fiat of Obama. Each of these four issues are being turned over to congress where they belong. If the public wants these things, they can pressure their elected representatives to enact them into law. That is how our system is supposed to work and kudos to Trump for making that happen.

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I wasn't certain of the validity of this until I did some research.

According to this Washington Post article, published 03/24/17 and revised 10/12/17:

How Trump is rolling back Obama’s legacy. During President Trump’s first year in office, Congress and his administration plan to review, revoke and overwrite key parts of his predecessor’s domestic legacy. As of Oct. 12, here are the Obama-era rules and regulations...

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/grap...ling-back-obama-rules/?utm_term=.5e38ce857763

So according to this article Mr. Trump has done away with 102 Obama Era agency rules and Executive Orders, and another 29 cancellations are in the works.

On the other hand, per the article, he is doing better on his own than with trying to work with the Republican controlled Congress, who cant seem to get their heads out of their collective a***s even to work on their own oft-touted reforms. They failed to roll back or eliminate 22 pieces of legislation, only succeeding with one.

So, I guess you are correct at least in regards to the portion of your OP that I bolded above.

Fletch said:

Despite all the complaining and bed wetting by the left, Trump is not the tyrant they feared. In fact, he is undoing the rule-by-fiat of the prior administration. Look what Trump has done: he has withdrawn us from the Paris Accords, the Iran deal, ended DACA, and dismantling Obamacare. He is returning us to Constitutional government by ending the rule by fiat of Obama. Each of these four issues are being turned over to congress where they belong. If the public wants these things, they can pressure their elected representatives to enact them into law. That is how our system is supposed to work and kudos to Trump for making that happen.

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He hasn't in any way 'returned us to Constitutional government'. What a bizarre and, frankly, delusional assertion.

Trippy Trekker said:

Whoa! Some of you might believe Team Trump performs miracles every day! Look and listen: just today Trump took steps to devastate Healthcare for millions of Americans; announced plans to fix the horrible deal with Iran and professed his love for Puerto Rico!

I don't hate Trump. I just recognize his obvious insatiable need to have his ego stroked matches his incompetence to serve as POTUS. I put my faith in the collective strength of our Institutions to survive the Reign of Trump.

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That really has nothing to do with my point. I didn't say the guy was perfect. I said he is turning over to congress things that should be decided by congress and not simply imposing his will as Obama did. Obviously, you guys on the left don't hate tyranny unless it comes from the right. If your guy is ruling by executive fiat, then that's OK.

Fletch said:

Despite all the complaining and bed wetting by the left, Trump is not the tyrant they feared. In fact, he is undoing the rule-by-fiat of the prior administration. Look what Trump has done: he has withdrawn us from the Paris Accords, the Iran deal, ended DACA, and dismantling Obamacare. He is returning us to Constitutional government by ending the rule by fiat of Obama. Each of these four issues are being turned over to congress where they belong. If the public wants these things, they can pressure their elected representatives to enact them into law. That is how our system is supposed to work and kudos to Trump for making that happen.

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The Paris Accord allows us to set our own goals for lowering emissions. Did Trump consult congress about withdrawing? Did he consult the American people?

All of Trump's military advisers say we're better off staying with the Iran deal. He ignored them. How does that make him not a tyrant?

If Congress can't agree on how to or whether to dismantle ObamaCare then Trump acting on his own is exactly what a tyrant would do.

Why doesn't Trump let congress handle DACA?

You're right, if the people want changes in DACA, ObamaCare, Iran deal, Paris Accord their elected representatives in Congress can make those changes. But now it's emperor Trump ruling by fiat.

You are very confused.

Tanngrisnir said:

He hasn't in any way 'returned us to Constitutional government'. What a bizarre and, frankly, delusional assertion.

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Yes, yes everyone is delusional but you. Now, do you care to expand on that or is your usual drive-by petulance all you have to offer?

Fletch said:

Yes, yes everyone is delusional but you. Now, do you care to expand on that or is your usual drive-by petulance all you have to offer?

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No, I never stated that. What's also delusional is to claim that I have.

You made an assertion in the positive about what you claim he has done. A bare assertion that as yet remains unsubstantiated. IOW, saying it's so won't magically make it so.

There's no petulance involved in pointing out that you wishing something were true and saying it's true doesn't make it true, but I understand that you get uncomfhy when your nonsense gets called out and you can't back it up.

There is simply no credible evidence that he's done what you wish he had, but there's plenty to indicate just the opposite, including numerous conflicts of interest and nepotism.

But you woudln't know anything about those.

SonOfDaedalus said:

The Paris Accord allows us to set our own goals for lowering emissions. Did Trump consult congress about withdrawing? Did he consult the American people?

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Why should he? Obama didn't consult congress or the American people before signing it.

All of Trump's military advisers say we're better off staying with the Iran deal. He ignored them. How does that make him not a tyrant?

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Was this agreement ratified by the Senate? Does the deal allow Trump to decertify it? The answers are no, and yes.

If Congress can't agree on how to or whether to dismantle ObamaCare then Trump acting on his own is exactly what a tyrant would do.

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No. If congress cant act on a particular issue, that issue doesn't get addressed. It doesn't move to the president. Trump is not doing anything but turning these issues over to the congress. A tyrant makes decisions without congress. That is how Obama handled things and you remained silent when he did it.

Why doesn't Trump let congress handle DACA?

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That is exactly what he is doing.

You're right, if the people want changes in DACA, ObamaCare, Iran deal, Paris Accord their elected representatives in Congress can make those changes. But now it's emperor Trump ruling by fiat.

You are very confused.

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And you don't know what you are talking about.

Fletch said:

Yes, yes everyone is delusional but you. Now, do you care to expand on that or is your usual drive-by petulance all you have to offer?

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Someone who is delusional is someone who denies reality. Here is Trump talking. That's reality. You deny this.

Tanngrisnir said:

No, I never stated that. What's also delusional is to claim that I have.

You made an assertion in the positive about what you claim he has done. A bare assertion that as yet remains unsubstantiated. IOW, saying it's so won't magically make it so.

There's no petulance involved in pointing out that you wishing something were true and saying it's true doesn't make it true, but I understand that you get uncomfhy when your nonsense gets called out and you can't back it up.

There is simply no credible evidence that he's done what you wish he had, but there's plenty to indicate just the opposite, including numerous conflicts of interest and nepotism.

But you woudln't know anything about those.

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Thanks for your input.

SonOfDaedalus said:

Someone who is delusional is someone who denies reality. Here is Trump talking. That's reality. You deny this.

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Try to stick to the topic.

Trump champion of the constitution....LOL

Fletch said:

Try to stick to the topic.

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In your OP you claimed that Trump was dismantling ObamaCare and thus returning us to some constitutional government. Trump doesn't have any ideological problem with ObamaCare and even proposed something more liberal. He has made statements supporting universal healthcare in the past.

ObamaCare was passed by Congress and should be repealed by Congress. Your OP makes no sense and actually proves Trump IS a tyrant.

I will concede that some of Obama's executive orders were wrong but that doesn't make what Trump is doing right.

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That really has nothing to do with my point. I didn't say the guy was perfect. I said he is turning over to congress things that should be decided by congress and not simply imposing his will as Obama did. Obviously, you guys on the left don't hate tyranny unless it comes from the right. If your guy is ruling by executive fiat, then that's OK.

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Would you... could you recognize and admit to the blatant partisan hackery in your OP? We have entered an Information Era that has created a phenomena known as a Filter Bubble. Have you taken a fearless and honest inventory of your research habits?

Fletch said:

Thanks for your input.

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Sorry you couldn't back up your claim. Yet again.

Fletch said:

he is undoing the rule-by-fiat of the prior administration. If the public wants these things, they can pressure their elected representatives to enact them into law. That is how our system is supposed to work and kudos to Trump for making that happen.

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President Obama, was an elected representative remember?

You see the purpose of the Presidency is to ensure that the country can react to serious problems and crisis quickly and swiftly because at times that is necessary. The founding fathers realized that ultimately a body like Congress needed to be the ones that implemented more long term perminant solutions, but a body like congress can often take a very very long time to act if they ever do and so we need someone that can make sure we can take appropriate actions in the short term until then.

Nothing about President Obama's executive actions prevented Congress from either cementing them in place or overruling them if they chose to. They don't need to be removed in order for Congress to deal with them appropriately, and removing them doesn't speed up that process in anyway. Instead it leads to chaos as millions of Americans now may see sky rocketing health care premiums and our health care markets could go out of control because the actions taken by President Obama to stabalize them have been eliminated with no chance they will be replaced with anything from congress. Instead we have hundreds of thousands of children who were born and raised here who have committed no crime whatsoever yet may be deported to countries they've never even visited in their lives. Instead our auto industry is left with no direction on what it should do about fuel efficiency. Will we need better mpg in twenty years or not? Nobody knows for sure anymore.

Whether you can admit it or not most Americans recognize the reality that there is an unpredicatable lunatic in the white house. If there is one thing economies don't do well under it's unpredictability. It's only a matter of time before the havoc this administration is creating starts destroying the good economy President Obama built back up.

Fletch said:

Despite all the complaining and bed wetting by the left, Trump is not the tyrant they feared. In fact, he is undoing the rule-by-fiat of the prior administration. Look what Trump has done: he has withdrawn us from the Paris Accords, the Iran deal, ended DACA, and dismantling Obamacare. He is returning us to Constitutional government by ending the rule by fiat of Obama. Each of these four issues are being turned over to congress where they belong. If the public wants these things, they can pressure their elected representatives to enact them into law. That is how our system is supposed to work and kudos to Trump for making that happen.

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Trump is ruling by fiat to end Obama's rule by fiat? Didnt think about that did you?

He's like the borderline personality disorder of tyrants.

Fletch said:

Despite all the complaining and bed wetting by the left, Trump is not the tyrant they feared. In fact, he is undoing the rule-by-fiat of the prior administration. Look what Trump has done: he has withdrawn us from the Paris Accords, the Iran deal, ended DACA, and dismantling Obamacare. He is returning us to Constitutional government by ending the rule by fiat of Obama. Each of these four issues are being turned over to congress where they belong. If the public wants these things, they can pressure their elected representatives to enact them into law. That is how our system is supposed to work and kudos to Trump for making that happen.

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Trump is a pathological liar. That's why I don't believe a word he says. Take executive orders as an example. He railed against them while Obama was president, calling them power grabs and disastrous policy, but then:


so now I suppose they aren't such disastrous power-grabs.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ey-were-actually-good/?utm_term=.b5b97c018ae3

It seems so apparent that President is doing something right. The left has been
at a hair on fire, running through plate glass windows while screaming Trump is a
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx fill in the blank. It's hysterical to watch. Piece by piece
the Obama era is going away.

SonOfDaedalus said:

In your OP you claimed that Trump was dismantling ObamaCare and thus returning us to some constitutional government. Trump doesn't have any ideological problem with ObamaCare and even proposed something more liberal. He has made statements supporting universal healthcare in the past.

ObamaCare was passed by Congress and should be repealed by Congress. Your OP makes no sense and actually proves Trump IS a tyrant.

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Trump ended subsidies that he claims were not written into the original law. The congress has the ability to renew the subsidies simply by passing a law mandating these subsidies be paid. It is not tyrannical in the least

I will concede that some of Obama's executive orders were wrong but that doesn't make what Trump is doing right.

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Most of what Trump is doing is ending Obamas executive orders and sending it back to congress to pass these things into law if they choose to. That is how our government is supposed to work.

BitterPill said:

Trump is a pathological liar. That's why I don't believe a word he says. Take executive orders as an example. He railed against them while Obama was president, calling them power grabs and disastrous policy, but then:

In Trump's defense, he did warn us: In January of last year, he told “Meet the Press” that Obama “led the way” on executive orders and he'd have no qualms about following suit with orders of his own.​

so now I suppose they aren't such disastrous power-grabs.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ey-were-actually-good/?utm_term=.b5b97c018ae3

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Trump is really just ending Obamas executive orders. That is sort of the problem with EO's. One president can fire off a whole boatload of them, but they don't have the force of law, which means the next guy can just write new EO's cancelling out those written by his predecessor. That is basically what is going on here.

Trippy Trekker said:

Would you... could you recognize and admit to the blatant partisan hackery in your OP? We have entered an Information Era that has created a phenomena known as a Filter Bubble. Have you taken a fearless and honest inventory of your research habits?

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No and yes.