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Libertarians who Support Trump are NOT Libertarians

Harshaw said:
Such as?
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Abortion.. Drugs..

And tell me how the GOP neo-cons and Trump threatening to bomb the crap out of everyone jives with the Libertarian foreign Non-interventionist view.?

To be fair I doubt many people understand the all of the Libertarian party views and stance on some issues. Including me. But I know there's a bunch of die hard Republicans on this site who love to pretend they are Libertarians.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
Abortion.. Drugs..

And tell me how the GOP neo-cons and Trump threatening to bomb the crap out of everyone jives with the Libertarian foreign Non-interventionist view.?

To be fair I doubt many people understand the all of the Libertarian party views and stance on some issues. Including me. But I know there's a bunch of die hard Republicans on this site who love to pretend they are Libertarians.
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No, I was asking you for libertarians who do as you say. Who are they?

Especially if it's "90%" of them?
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
No genuine Libertarian would support an anti-free trade authoritarian like Donald J. Trump.
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Being a Libertarian is like being any other political designation -- there are no absolute rules. All one need to is register as a Libertarian in order to be one.
 
Harshaw said:
OK, fine. He said "most," though, support Trump and 90% of that agenda. Coming up with some names shouldn't be hard.
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I had to look, he did say that.

Maybe you can add to my list, we have

You might not really be a libertarian if:

You say ideology is bad

You think abortion or drugs should be illegal

still support Trump
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so far
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
Trump ran on a populist anti-free trade message. He wants to end NAFTA, you know the North Atlantic FREE TRADE Agreement. He ran on restricting immigration and religious tests. He has rejected diplomacy with North Korea and wants to wants to end the Iran deal.

Libertarians supposedly believe in the Non Aggression Principle (NAP). Trump is trying to coerce NFL player into standing for the anthem and trying to coerce private owners of the NFL. He threatens to use federal power against the free press.

Trump's entire foreign policy is based on intimidating and bullying other nations like Mexico.

Trump does everything he can to pander to a socially conservative Christian base.

No genuine Libertarian would support an anti-free trade authoritarian like Donald J. Trump.


https://beinglibertarian.com/donald-trump-no-libertarian/
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So Trump is the only one not entitled to individual liberty of thought and action?

That's confusing. You support an individuals right to thought and action, while condemning those that use their right to support who they want.
 
Harshaw said:
OK, fine. He said "most," though, support Trump and 90% of that agenda. Coming up with some names shouldn't be hard.
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Names of posters HERE? I don't do that. I've been on political sites for many, many years and I never name posters or report people to the Admin/Mods.
 
CletusWilbury said:
I had to look, he did say that.

Maybe you can add to my list, we have

You might not really be a libertarian if:



so far
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Your "list" doesn't interest me much.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
Names of posters HERE? I don't do that. I've been on political sites for many, many years and I never name posters or report people to the Admin/Mods.
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Posters here, libertarians in the real world, whatever. Actual examples of the things you claim, so that you can establish what you're saying is not just wishful thinking on your part.
 
HowardBThiname said:
Being a Libertarian is like being any other political designation -- there are no absolute rules. All one need to is register as a Libertarian in order to be one.
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I think this is an important distinction, between the proper noun and the ideology.
I see the OP made that mistake in the tread title, sound be lower case in the 2nd time 'libertarian' appears.
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
Trump ran
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Definition of libertarian:
1) an advocate of the doctrine of free will.
2) A person who upholds the principles of individual liberty, especially of thought and action.
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Now if libertarians would have had a more palatable choice.
 
Harshaw said:
Posters here, libertarians in the real world, whatever. Actual examples of the things you claim, so that you can establish what you're saying is not just wishful thinking on your part.
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I just said I NEVER name names here but you want me to name people I know in the real world? Lol. Are you being serious? Or are you trolling? Whatever. Have a nice day.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
I just said I NEVER name names here but you want me to name people I know in the real world? Lol. Are you being serious? Or are you trolling? Whatever. Have a nice day.
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You can't name any known libertarians - not just people you know personally - who do as you say?

You're just avoiding answering the question because you know you can't produce. You can't support what you said, and you're trying to blame me for asking you to.
 
 
Harshaw said:
You can't name any known libertarians - not just people you know personally - who do as you say?

You're just avoiding answering the question because you know you can't produce. You can't support what you said, and you're trying to blame me for asking you to.
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My neighbor was Dennis Thompson, Libertarian candidate for CA governor in 1990


He came over often when we were playing our wargames, to drink and talk.
I really doubt he would have supported Trump.
 
CletusWilbury said:
Fair enough. Its stupid, you're right.

attempting to answer the question of libertarian Trump supporters, a good example I think:
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How is THAT a good example?
 
Harshaw said:
You can't name any known libertarians - not just people you know personally - who do as you say?

You're just avoiding answering the question because you know you can't produce. You can't support what you said, and you're trying to blame me for asking you to.
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I answered your question. You asked for examples, I answered with abortion, the war on drugs and foreign intervention. But that wasn't enough, now you want actual names. Names? That's not going to happen.

But there's many threads on abortion, and drugs, and Trump and the GOP neo-cons wanting to stick out noses in overseas where we don't belong. So look through them and you'll get many names of so called 'Libertarians' who back the GOP socially conservative agenda and the neo-cons lust for war.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
I answered your question. You asked for examples, I answered with abortion, the war on drugs and foreign intervention. But that wasn't enough, now you want actual names. Names? That's not going to happen.

But there's many threads on abortion, and drugs, and Trump and the GOP neo-cons wanting to stick out noses in overseas where we don't belong. So look through them and you'll get many names of so called 'Libertarians' who back the GOP socially conservative agenda and the neo-cons lust for war.
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I asked you for examples of libertarians doing what you say.

You produced exactly none, giving bull**** excuses for not doing so.

You whiffed when you were at bat. Now, you're just whining from the dugout.

Produce, or your prattle is meaningless hot air.
 
CletusWilbury said:
It explains why a libertarian thinks other libertarians might vote for Trump. That's what I was thinking, anyway.
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It doesn't say anything about libertarians voting for Trump. It certainly doesn't say anything about them supporting his agenda.
 
Harshaw said:
It doesn't say anything about libertarians voting for Trump. It certainly doesn't say anything about them supporting his agenda.
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Looking at CATO, not many Trump supporters there. I did find
John Allison’s Reaction to a Trump Presidency December 5, 2016

Only mentions things he agrees with.
wonder what he thinks now

Interesting that Trump supporters haven't replied to this thread
 
haymarket said:
There certainly are many self proclaimed libertarians here who are very defensive of Trump and love to attack those who attack him. This is very true of people who identify as RIGHT LIBERTARIANS .... maybe they simply are defending fellow righty.
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Being 'libertarian' these days is considered much cooler than being a 'conservative,' especially for the younger political minds. I think most of these libertarians have conservative backgrounds and have not yet fully shed their non-libertarian views. Some may also just have a very strong hatred for liberals and are willing to support contradictory positions simply because they think it is an anti-liberal position. Obviously, this does not apply to all right-libertarians, but certainly a good number of them.
 
Fletch said:
Trump is not a libertarian, but that does not mean libertarians cant support him. But who would you have me support? Obama? Hillary? Bernie?
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The reason why most libertarians are wary of 'big government' is because of egotistical maniacs cannot be trusted with power. Egotistical maniacs like Trump. Why on Earth should libertarians support this war-drums-beating-buffoon in the first place?
 
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