Can't understand why those over 60 continue to vote for the GOP and Trump.

holbritter said:

Are you calling my grandmother a liar?

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Visbek said:

Are you actually claiming that's a valid response to anything I've written?

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yankintx said:

Another American Value

Pick your brother up when he stumbles

GOP value-I got mine, screw everyone else

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Fenton said:

:roll:

Stupidity is continuing to defend a imploding healthcare law just because you supported the President that signed it into existence

Stupidity is defending a law that by design strips more and more discretionary income away from the Middle Class, from consumers no less in a consumer driven economy.

Premiums are going up AGAIN by as much as 32 percent next year and deductibles are going up too so its not just stupid, its cruel to continue to defend the ACA.

But thats not stopping Democrats and their supporters from defending a law thats made Health insurance LESS affordable and Healthcare harder to access

Party before Country and people I guess

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Fearandloathing said:

It is not stupidity, but common sense to be loyal to and support the known, regardless of issues, especially confronted with a change to the unknown in an average case. In this case the fear is heightened by Trump's insanity, the complete failure of him to properly direct congress along with extreme fears hearing some of the rhetoric and the asinine games of congress.

Trump has created this with his constant lies, blaming of others and hate filled rhetoric. He's still campaigning and heaping vile insults on "Democrats" in a manner that makes it sound like he and his pals want vengeance. So of course people are afraid, it's a natural and healthy reaction to a threat and they're way of life is in question.

Based on that I would be erring on the side of Obamacare too and I think it is the stupidest, most ****ed up health care plan in existence. The unknown of a TrumpCare plan is far, far, far more frightening. Even if he is good to his word

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Visbek said:

Your repeated attempts to duck the issue are increasingly unpersuasive.

This is not about Trump spontaneously reciting the contents of an entire 1500-page bill from memory.

This is about you saying that you voted for Trump, in part, because he had a vision for health care. However, you can't explain what that vision is, or when he actually articulated it, or why it appeals to you. All you can do is vaguely say "he has a vision, he has a list of concepts!"

It's also very clear from his own behavior that not only does he lack a vision, he lacks a basic understanding of health care in the US.

By the way, no one should be even the slightest bit surprised that Trump is clueless. He's never worked in the health care industry. He's never had to worry about how much his medical care cost him. He didn't spend time researching health care in the US before or after deciding to run for office. He did't spend time talking to hospital administrators, insurance executives, patient advocate agencies, or just sick people before making a plan. (All he did was talk to some big pharma CEOs, and promised to let them do whatever they want.) He's the withered old man at the end of the bar, yelling at the TV, and assuming that incredibly complex social systems that affect 300+ million Americans can be fixed in five minutes.

And no, Trump did not try plans A, B, C, D and so on. He didn't draft any of the bills. He didn't provide Congress guidance on any of the bills. He didn't provide them with any direction. He isn't looking at the ACA and trying to fix it -- he's deliberately making it more expensive for the American people! He doesn't care about getting it right, all he cares about is getting something --anything -- passed, so he can claim a win.

I think that tells us what we need to know. Don't you?

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