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Someone (Anonymous) said "Someone Else said Somthing" We Should All Be Aroused About!"

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Someone (Anonymous) said "Someone Else said Somthing" We Should All Be Aroused About!"

Day after day, week after week, I see thread after thread started about what some favored news source reports that one or more "Anonymous Insiders" claimed someone else has said.

There are three currently running in new threads as I write.

Typically, it is in reference to some member of the current Administration, if not the President himself. Typically, it is something designed to encourage denigration of said Administration. :roll:

Might as well divide our current society between those who advocate this crap, whom I'd call "The Gossipers" (or Rumormongers), and those who don't buy into it (any term akin to Rationalists).

Seriously, does anyone think that buying into reports that "someone said someone else said something negative that reinforces our assumption bias about someone we already despise" is truly a rational way to debate, argue, or even view the world?

Or do such people prefer echo chamber reinforcement, at least as long as it targets those they oppose?

IMO the only people who are convinced by this type of shenanigans are either already committed opponents, or those who are easily swayed one way or another by peer pressure.

What do you think about all this "anonymous source says..." type of rumormongering gossipy reporting that is the new norm for so-call "NEWS" coverage?
 
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Re: Someone (Anonymous) said "Someone Else said Somthing" We Should All Be Aroused About!"

Day after day, week after week, I see thread after thread started about what some favored news source reports that one or more "Anonymous Insiders" claimed someone else has said.

There are three listed in new threads as I write.

Typically, it is in reference to some member of the current Administration, if not the President himself. Typically, it is something designed to encourage denigration of said Administration. :roll:

Might as well divide our current society between those who advocate this crap, whom I'd call "The Gossipers" (or Rumormongers), and those who don't buy into it (any term akin to Rationalists).

Seriously, does anyone think that buying into reports that "someone said someone else said something negative that reinforces our assumption bias about someone we already despise" is truly a rational way to debate, argue, or even view the world?

Or do such people prefer echo chamber reinforcement, at least as long as it targets those they oppose?

IMO the only people who are convinced by this type of shenanigans are either already committed opponents, or those who are easily swayed one way or another by peer pressure.

Just saying. :coffeepap:

Just like you did under Obama, excepting they are more frequent from the Tweeter in Chief. You mention daily, you should consider that on a number of those days, there are a number of leaks.

Must be galling to see this.
 
Re: Someone (Anonymous) said "Someone Else said Somthing" We Should All Be Aroused About!"

Day after day, week after week, I see thread after thread started about what some favored news source reports that one or more "Anonymous Insiders" claims someone else has said.

Typically, it is in reference to some member of the current Administration, if not the President himself. Typically, it is something designed to encourage denigration of said Administration. :roll:

Might as well divide our current society between those who advocate this crap, whom I'd call "The Gossipers" (or Rumormongers), and those who don't buy into it (any term akin to Rationalists).

Seriously, does anyone think that buying into reports that "someone said someone else said something negative that reinforces our assumption bias about someone we already despise" is truly a rational way to debate, argue, or even view the world?

Or do such people prefer echo chamber reinforcement, at least as long as it targets those they oppose?

IMO the only people who are convinced by this type of shenanigans are either already committed opponents, or those who are easily swayed one way or another by peer pressure.

Just saying. :coffeepap:

Why would you deny that people in the administration are **** talking the president when people that just left the administration and highly ranked members of congress are **** talking the president? The only reason trump supporters have any problem what so ever with anonymous sources it's because the story isn't good for Trump. Period. I question the clear headedness of anyone that thinks that it's just bonkers to think that people in the administration are questioning Trumps capabilities when the reason to do so is so glaringly obvious.
 
Re: Someone (Anonymous) said "Someone Else said Somthing" We Should All Be Aroused About!"

Day after day, week after week, I see thread after thread started about what some favored news source reports that one or more "Anonymous Insiders" claimed someone else has said.

There are three listed in new threads as I write.

Typically, it is in reference to some member of the current Administration, if not the President himself. Typically, it is something designed to encourage denigration of said Administration. :roll:

Might as well divide our current society between those who advocate this crap, whom I'd call "The Gossipers" (or Rumormongers), and those who don't buy into it (any term akin to Rationalists).

Seriously, does anyone think that buying into reports that "someone said someone else said something negative that reinforces our assumption bias about someone we already despise" is truly a rational way to debate, argue, or even view the world?

Or do such people prefer echo chamber reinforcement, at least as long as it targets those they oppose?

IMO the only people who are convinced by this type of shenanigans are either already committed opponents, or those who are easily swayed one way or another by peer pressure.

What do you think about all this "anonymous source says..." type of rumormongering gossipy reporting that is the new norm for so-call "NEWS" coverage?

Damn those anonymous sources you had no problem until they started saying things you did not like, and damn them for having a pretty good track record of accuracy...
 
Re: Someone (Anonymous) said "Someone Else said Somthing" We Should All Be Aroused About!"

Day after day, week after week, I see thread after thread started about what some favored news source reports that one or more "Anonymous Insiders" claimed someone else has said.

There are three currently running in new threads as I write.

Typically, it is in reference to some member of the current Administration, if not the President himself. Typically, it is something designed to encourage denigration of said Administration. :roll:

Might as well divide our current society between those who advocate this crap, whom I'd call "The Gossipers" (or Rumormongers), and those who don't buy into it (any term akin to Rationalists).

Seriously, does anyone think that buying into reports that "someone said someone else said something negative that reinforces our assumption bias about someone we already despise" is truly a rational way to debate, argue, or even view the world?

Or do such people prefer echo chamber reinforcement, at least as long as it targets those they oppose?

IMO the only people who are convinced by this type of shenanigans are either already committed opponents, or those who are easily swayed one way or another by peer pressure.

What do you think about all this "anonymous source says..." type of rumormongering gossipy reporting that is the new norm for so-call "NEWS" coverage?

Ah, so you don't actually understand how journalism works, and are forced into such inanities as " it is something designed to encourage denigration of said Administration"

This must be a really difficult age for some people.
 
Re: Someone (Anonymous) said "Someone Else said Somthing" We Should All Be Aroused About!"

Day after day, week after week, I see thread after thread started about what some favored news source reports that one or more "Anonymous Insiders" claimed someone else has said.

There are three currently running in new threads as I write.

Typically, it is in reference to some member of the current Administration, if not the President himself. Typically, it is something designed to encourage denigration of said Administration. :roll:

Might as well divide our current society between those who advocate this crap, whom I'd call "The Gossipers" (or Rumormongers), and those who don't buy into it (any term akin to Rationalists).

Seriously, does anyone think that buying into reports that "someone said someone else said something negative that reinforces our assumption bias about someone we already despise" is truly a rational way to debate, argue, or even view the world?

Or do such people prefer echo chamber reinforcement, at least as long as it targets those they oppose?

IMO the only people who are convinced by this type of shenanigans are either already committed opponents, or those who are easily swayed one way or another by peer pressure.

What do you think about all this "anonymous source says..." type of rumormongering gossipy reporting that is the new norm for so-call "NEWS" coverage?

So where are your posts from when obama was president denouncing anonymous sources? Please point them out or has your “illumination” only begun under trump?
 
Re: Someone (Anonymous) said "Someone Else said Somthing" We Should All Be Aroused About!"

Just like you did under Obama, excepting they are more frequent from the Tweeter in Chief. You mention daily, you should consider that on a number of those days, there are a number of leaks.

Must be galling to see this.

Damn those anonymous sources you had no problem until they started saying things you did not like, and damn them for having a pretty good track record of accuracy...

So where are your posts from when obama was president denouncing anonymous sources? Please point them out or has your “illumination” only begun under trump?

Just like "I" did under Obama? Really? :roll:

I voted for the man. More assumption bias. Typical. :coffeepap:
 
Re: Someone (Anonymous) said "Someone Else said Somthing" We Should All Be Aroused About!"

Just like "I" did under Obama? Really? :roll:

I voted for the man.

My error- drop the I. Insert many Repubs.
Fair?
 
Re: Someone (Anonymous) said "Someone Else said Somthing" We Should All Be Aroused About!"

Day after day, week after week, I see thread after thread started about what some favored news source reports that one or more "Anonymous Insiders" claimed someone else has said.

There are three currently running in new threads as I write.

Typically, it is in reference to some member of the current Administration, if not the President himself. Typically, it is something designed to encourage denigration of said Administration. :roll:

Might as well divide our current society between those who advocate this crap, whom I'd call "The Gossipers" (or Rumormongers), and those who don't buy into it (any term akin to Rationalists).

Seriously, does anyone think that buying into reports that "someone said someone else said something negative that reinforces our assumption bias about someone we already despise" is truly a rational way to debate, argue, or even view the world?

Or do such people prefer echo chamber reinforcement, at least as long as it targets those they oppose?

IMO the only people who are convinced by this type of shenanigans are either already committed opponents, or those who are easily swayed one way or another by peer pressure.

What do you think about all this "anonymous source says..." type of rumormongering gossipy reporting that is the new norm for so-call "NEWS" coverage?

Apparently you are about 12 years old because this is always how the news business operated. Think about one of the biggest stories ever, Watergate, anonymous source. It took 30+ years to reveal who it was
 
Re: Someone (Anonymous) said "Someone Else said Somthing" We Should All Be Aroused About!"

This has been said but is worth repeating. I will put it in nice big shiny letters.














Nobody had a problem with anonymous sources until Trump said anonymous sources are bad.


 
Re: Someone (Anonymous) said "Someone Else said Somthing" We Should All Be Aroused About!"

Day after day, week after week, I see thread after thread started about what some favored news source reports that one or more "Anonymous Insiders" claimed someone else has said.

There are three currently running in new threads as I write.

Typically, it is in reference to some member of the current Administration, if not the President himself. Typically, it is something designed to encourage denigration of said Administration. :roll:

Might as well divide our current society between those who advocate this crap, whom I'd call "The Gossipers" (or Rumormongers), and those who don't buy into it (any term akin to Rationalists).

Seriously, does anyone think that buying into reports that "someone said someone else said something negative that reinforces our assumption bias about someone we already despise" is truly a rational way to debate, argue, or even view the world?

Or do such people prefer echo chamber reinforcement, at least as long as it targets those they oppose?

IMO the only people who are convinced by this type of shenanigans are either already committed opponents, or those who are easily swayed one way or another by peer pressure.

What do you think about all this "anonymous source says..." type of rumormongering gossipy reporting that is the new norm for so-call "NEWS" coverage?

Dude I know exactly how you feel. :rock:

I can’t tell you how many time I would say WTF; when Trump claimed; people are saying, or my sources in Hawaii are telling me they’re uncovering g some amazing things.
 
Re: Someone (Anonymous) said "Someone Else said Somthing" We Should All Be Aroused About!"

Day after day, week after week, I see thread after thread started about what some favored news source reports that one or more "Anonymous Insiders" claimed someone else has said.

There are three currently running in new threads as I write.

Typically, it is in reference to some member of the current Administration, if not the President himself. Typically, it is something designed to encourage denigration of said Administration. :roll:

Might as well divide our current society between those who advocate this crap, whom I'd call "The Gossipers" (or Rumormongers), and those who don't buy into it (any term akin to Rationalists).

Seriously, does anyone think that buying into reports that "someone said someone else said something negative that reinforces our assumption bias about someone we already despise" is truly a rational way to debate, argue, or even view the world?

Or do such people prefer echo chamber reinforcement, at least as long as it targets those they oppose?

IMO the only people who are convinced by this type of shenanigans are either already committed opponents, or those who are easily swayed one way or another by peer pressure.

What do you think about all this "anonymous source says..." type of rumormongering gossipy reporting that is the new norm for so-call "NEWS" coverage?

I consider anybody who buys into this dishonest tactic you described to be useful idiots and are to be ignored and dismissed.
 
Re: Someone (Anonymous) said "Someone Else said Somthing" We Should All Be Aroused About!"

Day after day, week after week, I see thread after thread started about what some favored news source reports that one or more "Anonymous Insiders" claimed someone else has said.

There are three currently running in new threads as I write.

Typically, it is in reference to some member of the current Administration, if not the President himself. Typically, it is something designed to encourage denigration of said Administration. :roll:

Might as well divide our current society between those who advocate this crap, whom I'd call "The Gossipers" (or Rumormongers), and those who don't buy into it (any term akin to Rationalists).

Seriously, does anyone think that buying into reports that "someone said someone else said something negative that reinforces our assumption bias about someone we already despise" is truly a rational way to debate, argue, or even view the world?

Or do such people prefer echo chamber reinforcement, at least as long as it targets those they oppose?

IMO the only people who are convinced by this type of shenanigans are either already committed opponents, or those who are easily swayed one way or another by peer pressure.

What do you think about all this "anonymous source says..." type of rumormongering gossipy reporting that is the new norm for so-call "NEWS" coverage?

Major media is trying to scoop internet based media. Internet based media is trying to get picked up by major media so that maybe they can get paid for what they're doing. People in Washington are trying to get on the right "friend" lists so that maybe they can get a book published or get picked up by a major law/K Street firm. It's a perfect breeding ground for innuendo, back stabbing and hyperbole.
 
Re: Someone (Anonymous) said "Someone Else said Somthing" We Should All Be Aroused About!"

What do you think about all this "anonymous source says..." type of rumormongering gossipy reporting that is the new norm for so-call "NEWS" coverage?
Sadly this is far from a new thing. There has long been a tradition in politics of feeding information to journalists on condition of anonymity. Some of it is actually aimed at the positive, such as leaking rumours about a possible government policy to test the public reaction, knowing they can formally deny anything or adjust their plans if it's bad. There's also a lot of negative leaks and briefing though, both within administrations/parties and between governments and oppositions, typically involving a mixture of fact, spin and falsehood.

One reason you might be noticing more negative stories about the Trump administration is because a lot of his core team (and Trump himself of course) don't have much political experience and so don't have the media contacts and experience to get their lines out while a lot of his opponents (internal and external) do. Clearly Trump prefers to play the same kind of game via Twitter.
 
Re: Someone (Anonymous) said "Someone Else said Somthing" We Should All Be Aroused About!"

I don't remember Obama being accused of things from entirely made up news. If anything they were pretty protective of him.

We will have to see if the soft underbelly of the middle class is gutted by the MSM's crusade against Trump. Obama never did anything for the middle class other than shrink it or crash the economy, yet the Fed is raising the Fed interest rate every quarter to keep the economy from over heating. Janet Yellen had it at 1/4% throughout most of Obama's term. The MSM doesn't include the effects of the Trump administration reducing regulation, and getting the government off businesses back so they feel confident enough to expand. The refuse to utter his name and give him credit where credit is due.

All they say is "Janet Yellen increased the Federal funds rate increase again this quarter" as if it just "happens" in a vacuum.

But the people the MSM is screwing is you. (Unless you are independently wealthy, or a government worker, or a Silicon Valley exec looking for cheap labor)

The effect is to prevent Trump from advancing his agenda by leaking talking points to the media and keeping the emphasis of extraneous issues.
 
Re: Someone (Anonymous) said "Someone Else said Somthing" We Should All Be Aroused About!"

Day after day, week after week, I see thread after thread started about what some favored news source reports that one or more "Anonymous Insiders" claimed someone else has said.

There are three currently running in new threads as I write.

Typically, it is in reference to some member of the current Administration, if not the President himself. Typically, it is something designed to encourage denigration of said Administration. :roll:

Might as well divide our current society between those who advocate this crap, whom I'd call "The Gossipers" (or Rumormongers), and those who don't buy into it (any term akin to Rationalists).

Seriously, does anyone think that buying into reports that "someone said someone else said something negative that reinforces our assumption bias about someone we already despise" is truly a rational way to debate, argue, or even view the world?

Or do such people prefer echo chamber reinforcement, at least as long as it targets those they oppose?

IMO the only people who are convinced by this type of shenanigans are either already committed opponents, or those who are easily swayed one way or another by peer pressure.

What do you think about all this "anonymous source says..." type of rumormongering gossipy reporting that is the new norm for so-call "NEWS" coverage?

Uh-OH I guess the right wing network of fake news is not working fast enough to counter the leakers. What happened to Trump's war on them?
 
Re: Someone (Anonymous) said "Someone Else said Somthing" We Should All Be Aroused About!"

I don't remember Obama being accused of things from entirely made up news. If anything they were pretty protective of him.

Yep no one ever accused him of being a non citizen (championed by trump for years) or being a Muslim or being someone hell bent on destroying America no one /sarcasm off
 
Re: Someone (Anonymous) said "Someone Else said Somthing" We Should All Be Aroused About!"

I don't remember Obama being accused of things from entirely made up news. If anything they were pretty protective of him.

We will have to see if the soft underbelly of the middle class is gutted by the MSM's crusade against Trump. Obama never did anything for the middle class other than shrink it or crash the economy, yet the Fed is raising the Fed interest rate every quarter to keep the economy from over heating. Janet Yellen had it at 1/4% throughout most of Obama's term. The MSM doesn't include the effects of the Trump administration reducing regulation, and getting the government off businesses back so they feel confident enough to expand. The refuse to utter his name and give him credit where credit is due.

All they say is "Janet Yellen increased the Federal funds rate increase again this quarter" as if it just "happens" in a vacuum.

But the people the MSM is screwing is you. (Unless you are independently wealthy, or a government worker, or a Silicon Valley exec looking for cheap labor)

The effect is to prevent Trump from advancing his agenda by leaking talking points to the media and keeping the emphasis of extraneous issues
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You don't remember him being accused of lying about his place of birth?

You don't remember him being accused of lying about his religion?

You don't remember him being accused of being racist against white people, of hating America, of wanting to destroy America, of wanting to make America a third world country?

You don't remember right wing media saying they were "just asking questions" when they raised these accusations as actual issues to talk about? (Always with a wink wink nudge nudge know what I mean? Say no more, say no more).


That's just a few to start. He was constantly getting accused of things without any evidence backing it up. They didn't even claim "anonymous sources". He was accused of lying about his place of birth even though the short form was out, newspaper announcements from the time of birth were out, and personal testimony was given. The basis of the accusation was simply that he hadn't put out his long form on top.

You say that's not an accusation based on fake news? Please.




The people perpetuating that didn't care about truth in media. They also didn't let one little peep issue about "anonymous sources." The whole thing is bull****, served by Trump and swallowed whole.

In fact, I don't really believe that people now suddenly complaining about anonymous sources mean it. I think it's just another method of group-signalling: everyone who hates "the left" irrationally, say this when you speak about the media.
 
Re: Someone (Anonymous) said "Someone Else said Somthing" We Should All Be Aroused About!"

Apparently you are about 12 years old because this is always how the news business operated. Think about one of the biggest stories ever, Watergate, anonymous source. It took 30+ years to reveal who it was

This has been said but is worth repeating. I will put it in nice big shiny letters.

Nobody had a problem with anonymous sources until Trump said anonymous sources are bad.

Uh-OH I guess the right wing network of fake news is not working fast enough to counter the leakers. What happened to Trump's war on them?

Anonymous sources who provide factual, verifiable, relevant information are not the problem.

Anonymous sources providing provocative gossip are. Like "the SOS called Trump a Moron," or "Bannon says Trump has a 30% chance of remaining in office."

Comparing that to Watergate or real whistleblowers? :doh:
 
Re: Someone (Anonymous) said "Someone Else said Somthing" We Should All Be Aroused About!"

Anonymous sources who provide factual, verifiable, relevant information are not the problem.

Anonymous sources providing provocative gossip are. Like "the SOS called Trump a Moron," or "Bannon says Trump has a 30% chance of remaining in office."

Comparing that to Watergate or real whistleblowers? :doh:

I sure do hate when they name the "anonymous" source in the headline
 
Re: Someone (Anonymous) said "Someone Else said Somthing" We Should All Be Aroused About!"

Day after day, week after week, I see thread after thread started about what some favored news source reports that one or more "Anonymous Insiders" claimed someone else has said.

There are three currently running in new threads as I write.

Typically, it is in reference to some member of the current Administration, if not the President himself. Typically, it is something designed to encourage denigration of said Administration. :roll:

Might as well divide our current society between those who advocate this crap, whom I'd call "The Gossipers" (or Rumormongers), and those who don't buy into it (any term akin to Rationalists).

Seriously, does anyone think that buying into reports that "someone said someone else said something negative that reinforces our assumption bias about someone we already despise" is truly a rational way to debate, argue, or even view the world?

Or do such people prefer echo chamber reinforcement, at least as long as it targets those they oppose?

IMO the only people who are convinced by this type of shenanigans are either already committed opponents, or those who are easily swayed one way or another by peer pressure.

What do you think about all this "anonymous source says..." type of rumormongering gossipy reporting that is the new norm for so-call "NEWS" coverage?
Well, this of course is all dependent upon the media source.

For one of Trump's favorite sources, The National Inquirer, I'm inclined to agree with you.

But for one of Trump's nemesis sources, The Washinton Post, I believe you're being short-sighted. Legit sources like the Post cultivate sources for a long time, often years if not decades. They also check sources against each-other, usually not going public until they have three corroborating sources. They'll spend weeks or months researching & validating a story, before going public. And when the occasional error surfaces, they'll immediately retract and clarify.

So for much of the mainstream legit media work being currently done, yes I'm fine with it and trusting of it. At the very least, I'm far more trusting of the MSM media than Trump, the GOP, or the government!

We would not know much of what we about Flynn, Manafort, Trump Jr., Kushner, etc., without the Fourth Estate. That we know this much, is a tribute to the modern day media,

And let's not forget: We've already had one recent modern-day President and parts of his administration & cabinet brought down by a single anonymous source. A source unknown for three decades, and mined by one of the very organizations Trump today calls "fake news".
 
Re: Someone (Anonymous) said "Someone Else said Somthing" We Should All Be Aroused About!"

I sure do hate when they name the "anonymous" source in the headline

It was "someone said Bannon said"...read the article.

Just like "someone said Tillerson said"... etc., etc.
 
Re: Someone (Anonymous) said "Someone Else said Somthing" We Should All Be Aroused About!"

Anonymous sources who provide factual, verifiable, relevant information are not the problem.

And who do you think fact-checks, verifies and determines if it's relevant information the public would like to hear???
 
Re: Someone (Anonymous) said "Someone Else said Somthing" We Should All Be Aroused About!"

Anonymous sources who provide factual, verifiable, relevant information are not the problem.

Anonymous sources providing provocative gossip are. Like "the SOS called Trump a Moron," or "Bannon says Trump has a 30% chance of remaining in office."

Comparing that to Watergate or real whistleblowers? :doh:

Intellectually dishonest post.

You know full well that the criticisms being lobbed at your are all on the same point. Namely, people are now dismissing anonymous sources automatically, and if they dismiss anonymous sources automatically, they by definition never get to the point of considering whether those sources have provided " factual, verifiable, relevant information."

That's why Watergate is 100% on point. If those anonymous sources were dismissed out of hand, we never would have found out about Watergate. That's the problem with a ton of people dismissing anonymous sources out of hand.



Of course, the other bigger problem is that we know they're only saying it because Trump told them to, and they're using it not to express concern about truth in media. They're using it as an excuse to ignore anything they don't want to hear.





As for "Trump is a moron", Tillerson held a press conference after that. He denied he considered resigning but he did not confirm or deny that he called the President a moron. It was Sanders, doing damage control, who said "The president certainly never implied that the secretary of state was not incredibly intelligent. He made a joke, nothing more than that. He has full confidence in the secretary of state. They had a great visit earlier today. And they are working hand in hand to move the president's agenda forward."

White House: Trump's IQ jab at Tillerson was 'a joke' - POLITICO

And the posts you reply to did NOT say that Tillerson calling Trump a moron was just as serious as Watergate. As I explained above, the point of the comparison was to point out that if the anonymous source reports about Watergate were ignored because they were anonymous, we wouldn't have found out about Watergate.

Leave the goalposts where they stand.
 
Re: Someone (Anonymous) said "Someone Else said Somthing" We Should All Be Aroused About!"

Day after day, week after week, I see thread after thread started about what some favored news source reports that one or more "Anonymous Insiders" claimed someone else has said.

There are three currently running in new threads as I write.

Typically, it is in reference to some member of the current Administration, if not the President himself. Typically, it is something designed to encourage denigration of said Administration. :roll:

Might as well divide our current society between those who advocate this crap, whom I'd call "The Gossipers" (or Rumormongers), and those who don't buy into it (any term akin to Rationalists).

Seriously, does anyone think that buying into reports that "someone said someone else said something negative that reinforces our assumption bias about someone we already despise" is truly a rational way to debate, argue, or even view the world?

Or do such people prefer echo chamber reinforcement, at least as long as it targets those they oppose?

IMO the only people who are convinced by this type of shenanigans are either already committed opponents, or those who are easily swayed one way or another by peer pressure.

What do you think about all this "anonymous source says..." type of rumormongering gossipy reporting that is the new norm for so-call "NEWS" coverage?

Anonymous sources are not controversial. I would understand skepticism if the stories were far fetched. But, the "moron" story and the others, are congruent with Trump's character and habits. Trump is a pathological liar, as well. He is someone who faked being an anonymous source in order to brag about a fake scenario where Trump turns Madonna down.

I'm sorry Trump supporters but, this man's mental illness and incompetence are in plain sight. These stories are not going away, because they are real. You will have to keep denying reality, until Trump is gone.


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