So if The NFL Commissioner Orders Players to Stand during the National Anthem ...

Zyphlin said:

And so the person that was easily duped, or was wantonly dishonest, attempts to deflect from his own utter failure and pathetic mistake by claiming someone pointing out his loser of a "fact" was the erroneous pile of dung that is was as "raging"; par for the course.

The point was horribly flawed, but what can we expect when the evidence for said point was born in one case from laughable ignorance of history and the second built on outright fraud. Then again, when one bases their flawed argument on such laughably unsound "facts", why would anyone even bother to continue wasting their time with further deconstruction until the first failure is owned up to plainly and honestly.

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Dude, he admitted it was the wrong picture he posted. Harping on it just sounds not-so-smart.

ReverendHellh0und said:

I've never argued otherwise, in fact, I believe it was in a reply to middle ground I pointed out numerous reasons, oversaturation, antics off the field, concussion controversy, Mainly the oversaturation, but the protests are a huge reason now especially piled on the others.

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My fault for not quoting likely. My post wasn't a response to you; it was a response to Vance, who suggests the loudest reaction to the protests were represented in pictures of empty stadiums; one of which wa a Rams game in LA which had NUMEROUS issues far beyond the protests that had to do with the crowd size, and one that was from a Giants/Redskins game before the protests even started.

His argument was trying to show that small crowd sizes spoke the "loudest" about people's reactions, clearly implying and indicating that the protests were the primary motivating factor for the small crowds, which is why his choice of pictures as his "evidence" of his flawed point was so laughable.

holbritter said:

Dude, he admitted it was the wrong picture he posted. Harping on it just sounds not-so-smart.

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Handwaving a mistake away is as inconsequential and just acknwolediging it as the wrong year is a massively different thing than actually owning up to his mistake. One is trying to just gloss over it without admitting he ****ed up by saying it's irrelevant, the other is actually owning up to his error as an actual error.

He wants to handwave it away because he wants to act like his **** up doesn't impact his point; but it does. His point was that the reactions, lowered attendance due to the protests, "speak the loudest". The problem is, the only "evidence" he's provided of that are instances where attendance drops are more plausibly linked to things OTHER Than the protests (the Rams) or where an attendance drop was IMPOSSIBLE to be linked to the protests (The NY/WSH image)

Yes the protests have an impact (and the reactions to the protests and the actions of Trump have an impact as well). But they are one tiny slice of a much bigger pie that has been going on for many years now, and suggesting low crowd numbers speak the loudest about people's reactions to the protests is a sign of laughable ignorance of the multitude of issues plaguing the NFL as it relates to attendance, ratings, etc. Issues that have been present, predicted, and discussed for numerous years now by those who follow the sport.

Zyphlin said:

Congratulations on a massively idiotic and just factually incorrect statement, since even conservatively speaking Liberals make up about a third of our population so the unemployment number would be astronomical if your asinine statement was true. So either you're absolutely ignorant of the realities of the population, or you're being wholly and completely disingenuous for some reason; please, enlighten me to which is the accurate interpretation

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When was the last time any liberal has expressed a realistic understanding of what happens in a workplace? It stands to reason that most of them are unemployed having either never worked a day in their lives or constantly being fired because they use company time and resources to facilitate their protests. Whether it's the NFL players or Jemele White: and don't even get me started on 99% of the actors in Hollywood. Constantly not understanding that their employer doesn't pay them to express their political beliefs. So there is nothing inaccurate about my comments at all. Liberals are wholly ignorant of what an actual workplace entails. They display this every day and it's not a logical leap to say that most of them are unemployed.

americanwoman said:

We shouldn't even have started.

It's too bad people have to be pointed out something is supposedly disrespectful while the person says it is openly disrespecting women. Come on, you know no one gave a **** what people were doing during the anthem until a certain someone called those player's mothers bitches.

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No, Kaepernick took a lot of heat when he was doing it alone. It has been controversial since the beginning.

MrWonka said:

Thankfully the players are part of a labor union that can oppose this stupidity.

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The NFL doesn't care about the kneeling. It cares about revenue. They are protecting their revenue. To do otherwise would be incompetent.

Isn’t odd that a Alabama Judge wouldn’t comply with norms or rules and is now a Senate candidate.

But he’s a Republican, so it’s ok.

americanwoman said:

We shouldn't even have started.

It's too bad people have to be pointed out something is supposedly disrespectful while the person says it is openly disrespecting women. Come on, you know no one gave a **** what people were doing during the anthem until a certain someone called those player's mothers bitches.

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Do you actually believe that? Because it's patently untrue. This was an issue long before Trump weighed in.

Oh, and, do you think John Wayne is calling these guys moms, "bitches"? C'mon AW, give us a break already. :roll:

reinoe said:

When was the last time any liberal has expressed a realistic understanding of what happens in a workplace?

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What does that have to do with your idiotic statement that "most liberals are unemployed"? Just attempting to deflect.

It stands to reason that most of them are unemployed having either never worked a day in their lives or constantly being fired because they use company time and resources to facilitate their protests.

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No, unless "reason" somehow is defined as "idiotic illogical assumption" within your world.

So there is nothing inaccurate about my comments at all.

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Yes, there is. Your argument is FACTUALLY and indisputably incorrect.

There are just under 7 million unemployed individuals in the United States.

Meanwhile, 25% of the population, or 62.4 million people.

Even if every single unemployed person was liberal, which would just be a ridiculous assumption to make especially when one looks at unemployment broken down between states and see the rates in predominantly conservative ones (and the fact that unemployment within the conservative base was one of the things Donald Trump capitalized on to win his election), that is still only 1/9th of the total populations of liberals.

Your logic is flawed, your "reason" is insanity, your supposed "accurate" statement is the height of inaccuracy. The fact that you're actually attempting to present such absurdity as a serious and legitimate comment speaks volumes about yourself and the worth of your arguments. The only thing on "display" is your failure to make any kind of reasoned, factual, intelligent argument to back up the lunacy that your espouse here.


Liberals are wholly ignorant of what an actual workplace entails. They display this every day and it's not a logical leap to say that most of them are unemployed.[/QUOTE]

Pro sports teams were once reliable patrons of Trump’s hotels. Not anymore.

Yep ... they're sure scared ****less