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Stossel, Happy Birthday Communism

OlNate said:
lol...so if the guvmint tells you it's good, it's good? How do you know how well you're doing unless you're comparing yourself against others? Sounds a bit participation trophyish to me... And the reference to how much is spent is in regards to you guys - this is where you are at the front of the pack, comparatively speaking. However your actual educational results are middling. I might not be totally in touch with the mind of conservatives these days, but there was a time that would bother you. Is it that nationalism has replaced common sense and fiscal responsibility, or is it the fear of acknowledging a dirty Leftist nation can do it better, for less money? Help me out here, bud! :)
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Without reading past the first part of your reply....we know they [we] are doing good because we're producing fine, upstanding and successful adults.

That's the bottom line not, all the political horse **** you're spouting.
 
WCH said:
Without reading past the first part of your reply....we know they [we] are doing good because we're producing fine, upstanding and successful adults.

That's the bottom line not, all the political horse **** you're spouting.
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lmao...I swear you're messing with me, WCH. Usually you have a bit more depth to your conversation than "It is what I says it is, and if you say any different, I'll say horse****, put mah fingers in mah ears, and say "lalalalalalalalalalala"". You can't know how good you are unless you compare yourself against others, and the fact is, while you spend more than most, your results are mediocre, when looked at as a whole. That's not my opinion, that's the statistics, year after year after year. Maybe in the 60's you had an upper hand, ok, I'll give you that, and willingly. But were they my mediocre results, knowing how much of my tax dollars they'd been spending, I'd have some questions.

Anyway, you seem to be getting a little riled up, there, pardner, so I'll leave you alone. But just remember, it's facts I'm spouting, son, and y'all better recognize... lol :) It's hardly political when the blame falls squarely on years of mismanagement of education, this is not a Dem or GOP thing, both sides have effed this up, and it's ok to say so.
 
OlNate said:
lmao...I swear you're messing with me, WCH. Usually you have a bit more depth to your conversation than "It is what I says it is, and if you say any different, I'll say horse****, put mah fingers in mah ears, and say "lalalalalalalalalalala"". You can't know how good you are unless you compare yourself against others, and the fact is, while you spend more than most, your results are mediocre, when looked at as a whole. That's not my opinion, that's the statistics, year after year after year. Maybe in the 60's you had an upper hand, ok, I'll give you that, and willingly. But were they my mediocre results, knowing how much of my tax dollars they'd been spending, I'd have some questions.

Anyway, you seem to be getting a little riled up, there, pardner, so I'll leave you alone. But just remember, it's facts I'm spouting, son, and y'all better recognize... lol :) It's hardly political when the blame falls squarely on years of mismanagement of education, this is not a Dem or GOP thing, both sides have effed this up, and it's ok to say so.
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All that matters is how you look in the eyes of God and your family.

Plus we're Texans ...we don't give a **** what you think of us.
 
WCH said:
All that matters is how you look in the eyes of God and your family.

Plus we're Texans ...we don't give a **** what you think of us.
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Well, despite the fact that I could come up with about 2/3 of a million ways the first sentence is wrong, and point out that maybe a big part of your problems lay in sentence 2, I respect the tenacity with which you bend reality to suit your delusions, so I'll let you have it. :)
 
WCH said:
All that matters is how you look in the eyes of God and your family.

Plus we're Texans ...we don't give a **** what you think of us.
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This, is your winning argument? :lamo
 
OlNate said:
Given that socialism and communism are two different things, this could become a complicated thread....hehe

For clarity:

What is the difference between Communism and Socialism? | Investopedia
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Here is the key paragraph:


"Following the communist revolution, Marx argued, workers (the proletariat) would take control of the means of production. Following a period of transition, the government would fade away, as workers built a classless society and an economy based on common ownership. Production and consumption would reach an equilibrium: "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need." Religion and the family, institutions of social control that were used to subjugate the working class, would go the way of the government and private ownership."

Communism, in other words, is a utopian concept. A "Communist nation" or a "Communist government" are contradictions in terms. The whole idea of Communism is that populations live in common, i.e., communal, purpose, free of national identities and government control. Lenin was a Communist. Stalin was a pragmatist and a thug, actually an anti-Communist. Lenin understood what Stalin was, the danger he posed, and tried to have him removed from the Central Committee. This was in 1923 or 24, but Lenin was in ill health and he died with Stalin still there. Communism is an impossible dream, not a functioning system.
 
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Chomsky said:
This, is your winning argument? :lamo
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I'm an atheist but I had to pick between a conservative religious Texan and a Chomskyist, I'd be standing with the Texan every time.

Noam Chomsky is a communist and a fool.
 
WCH said:
All that matters is how you look in the eyes of God and your family.

Plus we're Texans ...we don't give a **** what you think of us.
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OlNate said:
Well, despite the fact that I could come up with about 2/3 of a million ways the first sentence is wrong, and point out that maybe a big part of your problems lay in sentence 2
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I don’t see anything wrong with the first sentence, so lay your 666666.6666... reasons on me.

Sentence 2 seems okay, too. It translates to, “We Texans are fiercely proud.”

Me, I’m glad somebody is proud. There are too many snowflakes around these days, crying in their ice cream.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Your hatred towards teachers aside I probably shouldn't mention that I am a high school teacher. Taught in two US states and two countries. Still teaching. I am also pretty conservative but most importantly I am honest and realistic.

Anyway... since your rant has nothing to do with facts and everything to do with personal anger towards teachers it looks like we are done .

I'll just take my win here and let you wallow about...
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I used to brag about all the teachers in my family, and how they taught all over the world, but that was before teachers turned into apparatchiks and Marxist propagandists. Now I try not to mention it. If I were you I’d do the same.
 
Rob Larrikin said:
I'm an atheist but I had to pick between a conservative religious Texan and a Chomskyist, I'd be standing with the Texan every time.

Noam Chomsky is a communist and a fool.
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Regardless of your erroneous beliefs, wrong is wrong and you can't change that.

And that's why you got yours handed to you, with no rebuttal offered.
 
Rob Larrikin said:
I don’t see anything wrong with the first sentence, so lay your 666666.6666... reasons on me.

Sentence 2 seems okay, too. It translates to, “We Texans are fiercely proud.”

Me, I’m glad somebody is proud. There are too many snowflakes around these days, crying in their ice cream.
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1. Bill collectors don't care how you look to God and family.
2. Tax collectors don't care how you look to God and family.
3. Health matters don't care how you look to God and family.
4. The law doesn't care how you look to God and family.
5. The speed at which one hits a wall in their car doesn't care how you look to God and family.
6. The results of sub par education don't care about how you look to God and family.
7. How you stand vs. the rest of the world doesn't care about how you look to God and family.
8. How you look on a resume isn't impacted by how you look to God and family.
9. Your ability to smoke cigarettes without getting cancer doesn't depend on how you look to God and family.
10. Whether you are left or right handed doesn't depend on how you look to God and family.

That's the first ten. I'll work on getting you the rest...unless you want to voluntarily pull your head out now...lol.

As for sentence 2, to me it reads "We Texans are fiercely proud *of our ignorance*". And if they want to be proud of that (don't worry, I know plenty of Texans that would be embarrassed by this, so I certainly don't generalize), cool...but I still hold to perhaps that's at the root of a lot of their problems - at least for the Texans that think that way.

Re: snowflakes crying in ice cream, etc.,.... My only response is a giant yawn, and I can't be bothered to find the emoticon for that. :)
 
WCH said:
Lose what? An argument will Communist? Ha Y'all are chronic losers.
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A typical American conservative calling someone a Communist is a little like throwing a stick. Its similar in that the intentions are for both the word and the stick to hurt. The difference is the stick thrower knows it's a stick he's throwing but the word thrower usually hasn't the foggiest notion what a Communist actually is. A conservative's understanding of socialism usually isn't much better. Bernie Sanders, for example, is primarily a capitalist.
 
JackA said:
A typical American conservative calling someone a Communist is a little like throwing a stick. Its similar in that the intentions are for both the word and the stick to hurt. The difference is the stick thrower knows it's a stick he's throwing but the word thrower usually hasn't the foggiest notion what a Communist actually is. A conservative's understanding of socialism usually isn't much better. Bernie Sanders, for example, is primarily a capitalist.
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Communism: a false liberation ideology which actually supports the desired solutions of the elite. [state]

What's not to know.
 
WCH said:
Communism: a false liberation ideology which actually supports the desired solutions of the elite. [state]

What's not to know.
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That you need to ask illustrates the point.

For starters what the "false liberation ideology" is.
 
JackA said:
That you need to ask illustrates the point.

For starters what the "false liberation ideology" is.
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The promise of a classless utopian society where everything is equal and peaceful. Communism provides none of that. It's a ruse.
 
OlNate said:
1. Bill collectors don't care how you look to God and family.
2. Tax collectors don't care how you look to God and family.
3. Health matters don't care how you look to God and family.
4. The law doesn't care how you look to God and family.
5. The speed at which one hits a wall in their car doesn't care how you look to God and family.
6. The results of sub par education don't care about how you look to God and family.
7. How you stand vs. the rest of the world doesn't care about how you look to God and family.
8. How you look on a resume isn't impacted by how you look to God and family.
9. Your ability to smoke cigarettes without getting cancer doesn't depend on how you look to God and family.
10. Whether you are left or right handed doesn't depend on how you look to God and family.
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When a person says, “All that matters is how you look in the eyes of God and your family,” they obviously mean, “All that matters, to me, in my opinion, is how you look in the eyes of God and your family,” which immediately neutralizes all your points above.

However, that becomes too wordy for common use. People cut down sentences for ease of use and speed. For instance, when you go to MacDonald’s you say, “…and I’ll have fries with that,” not, “…and I’ll have those sliced, thin, rectangular, oily, long potato pieces that are deep fried and sprinkled with salt, with that.” Some people may start off by saying that, but they would soon told, “Listen Mack, just say ‘fries’ okay? I ain’t got all day.”

As for sentence 2, to me it reads "We Texans are fiercely proud *of our ignorance*". And if they want to be proud of that (don't worry, I know plenty of Texans that would be embarrassed by this, so I certainly don't generalize), cool...but I still hold to perhaps that's at the root of a lot of their problems - at least for the Texans that think that way.
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The sentence was, “We’re Texans ...we don't give a **** what you think of us.”

Concentrate on the ‘you’. He’s talking to Lefties. Socialists. Democrats. Most conservatives don’t give a **** what Lefties think of them. So to be more accurate, his sentence means, “We Texans are fiercely proud and we don’t care about what Lefties think of us.”
 
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