• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Who pays if tax reform doesn't pass?

MaggieD

MaggieD

DP Veteran
Joined
Jul 9, 2010
Messages
43,244
Reaction score
44,664
Location
Chicago Area
Gender
Female
Political Leaning
Moderate
I'm betting Democrats will take the hit. I say that because it is going to take bipartisan support to get it done. If need be, I hope Republicans leave out cuts for high earners. If they do that, middle America will get cuts that will satisfy them. And if Dems try to block that? They will be toast.

Your thoughts?
 
MaggieD said:
I'm betting Democrats will take the hit. I say that because it is going to take bipartisan support to get it done. If need be, I hope Republicans leave out cuts for high earners. If they do that, middle America will get cuts that will satisfy them. And if Dems try to block that? They will be toast.

Your thoughts?
Click to expand...

Depends on why it doesn't pass

I expect most dems and moderate republicans could agree on tax reform including cuts to lower and middle income groups.

The Tea party and Cruz types of the Republican party I am sure will insist on cuts for the upper income brackets and push for spending cuts at the same time
 
MaggieD said:
I'm betting Democrats will take the hit. I say that because it is going to take bipartisan support to get it done. If need be, I hope Republicans leave out cuts for high earners. If they do that, middle America will get cuts that will satisfy them. And if Dems try to block that? They will be toast.

Your thoughts?
Click to expand...

Nope the Dems won’t take a hit. The republicans ran entirely on not working with the Dems and promosing to fix everything the Dems supposedly broke. The republicans already have proven they lied and really didn’t have anything better than Obamacare and now they are going to prove they can’t do tax reform. They are simply proving they can’t govern even when they control both houses of congrsss and the presidency.
 
MaggieD said:
I'm betting Democrats will take the hit. I say that because it is going to take bipartisan support to get it done. If need be, I hope Republicans leave out cuts for high earners. If they do that, middle America will get cuts that will satisfy them. And if Dems try to block that? They will be toast.

Your thoughts?
Click to expand...

Everyone who opposes it will get hammered, except the folks in Liberal heavy districts.
 
MaggieD said:
I'm betting Democrats will take the hit. I say that because it is going to take bipartisan support to get it done. If need be, I hope Republicans leave out cuts for high earners. If they do that, middle America will get cuts that will satisfy them. And if Dems try to block that? They will be toast.

Your thoughts?
Click to expand...
If the Dems are loud and united, proclaiming they will not vote for reducing taxes on the wealthy and corps, without substantial middle-class cuts, and it appears true, they'll be fine if they hold it up.

They actually did a reasonable job earlier, presenting the Medicaid healthcare cuts as "funding" for wealthy tax cuts, causing the GOP to back-off a bit.

Now if they don't deliver the message, they can be hurt. But I don't think that will happen; they're messaging is getting decent enough in certain things, like healthcare. I'm thinking this might be the same.

I also think there's a unique facet at play here. Trump won the election in large part by stealing away the working-class base from the Dems. If the tax cuts are seen as a giveaway to the rich and the corps, at the expense of the working-class, and the Dems run with that, they might jam-up Trump.

This might be their chance to resume their fight for the working man, and calling-out Trump as "a billionaire plutocrat skewing the tax code to himself and the plutocratic Republican elites". So I think Trump can be pressured here, if the tax code is mostly a rich man's giveaway, and if the Dems play their cards right. That's "if".
 
MaggieD said:
I'm betting Democrats will take the hit. I say that because it is going to take bipartisan support to get it done. If need be, I hope Republicans leave out cuts for high earners. If they do that, middle America will get cuts that will satisfy them. And if Dems try to block that? They will be toast.

Your thoughts?
Click to expand...

I like the idea of simplifying the tax code. Reducing taxes on the high end, raising deduction on the low end. If they retroactive it to the start of the year, be a nice boon for many.
 
Praxas said:
Nope the Dems won’t take a hit. The republicans ran entirely on not working with the Dems and promosing to fix everything the Dems supposedly broke. The republicans already have proven they lied and really didn’t have anything better than Obamacare and now they are going to prove they can’t do tax reform. They are simply proving they can’t govern even when they control both houses of congrsss and the presidency.
Click to expand...

That is rather pathetic.

Edith... though you might misread my intent here. It is pathetic that the Repubs hold both Congress and the presidency and aren't getting more done.
 
Last edited:
Chomsky said:
If the Dems are loud and united, proclaiming they will not vote for reducing taxes on the wealthy and corps, without substantial middle-class cuts, and it appears true, they'll be fine if they hold it up.

They actually did a reasonable job earlier, presenting the Medicaid healthcare cuts as "funding" for wealthy tax cuts, causing the GOP to back-off a bit.

Now if they don't deliver the message, they can be hurt. But I don't think that will happen; they're messaging is getting decent enough in certain things, like healthcare. I'm thinking this might be the same.

I also think there's a unique facet at play here. Trump won the election in large part by stealing away the working-class base from the Dems. If the tax cuts are seen as a giveaway to the rich and the corps, at the expense of the working-class, and the Dems run with that, they might jam-up Trump.

This might be their chance to resume their fight for the working man, and calling-out Trump as "a billionaire plutocrat skewing the tax code to himself and the plutocratic Republican elites". So I think Trump can be pressured here, if the tax code is mostly a rich man's giveaway, and if the Dems play their cards right. That's "if".
Click to expand...

Im hoping the Repubs give it up. Giving breaks to the middle class is more important for unity, imo.
 
Dems probably. Republicans are going to push reforms that disproportionately benefit the rich, as they always do. The more interesting thing will be when all the details come out and Americans come to terms with their deductions disappearing. The question also remains how on earth massive tax cuts are going to be paid for. I've always found the American obsession with tax cuts to be bizarre. Never in my life have I felt burdened by my taxes and when Bush II peddled his surplus-busting cuts, my personal benefit was pathetic. At any rate, if we have to have it I hope Dems stick to their guns on insisting on cuts for the middle and lower classes.
 
MaggieD said:
That is rather pathetic.

Edith... though you might misread my intent here. It is pathetic that the Repubs hold both Congress and the presidency and aren't getting more done.
Click to expand...

It may be pathetic they can’t get anything done but I think it is more pathetic many are willing to try and pass crap legislation just to pass it though. I give kudos to the republicans that have stood up and said no this isn’t the way to do this and I don’t support passing this crap just because we came up with it. In many ways those republicans are better than the Dems who mindlessly just go lock and step with the party.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom