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Grim17 said:
Now why do you have to resort to dishonesty? Can you not have an honest discussion, or is making things up in order to disparage those you disagree with just the way you roll?

I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you were mistaken and give you a chance to amend your post before I respond.

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Those are the facts. Sorry you don't like them.
 
TobyOne said:
He had to pay a fine and apologize to a single acorn employee. O'Keefe's reporting exposed and destroyed ACORN. Good for him. Same with the planned parenthood sting. Its called reporting - something liberals don't understand.
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Yes, and why do you think he had to pay a fine?
 
Because he ****ed over a single employee of Acorn and payed for it. Good for him. Acorn was still exposed and defunded. Yay for democracy.


NeverTrumpGOP said:
Yes, and why do you think he had to pay a fine?
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TobyOne said:
Because he ****ed over a single employee of Acorn and payed for it.
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Why did he screw over the employee? What was the context. I want to know if you know the reason why he sued him.
 
TobyOne said:
He had to pay a fine and apologize to a single acorn employee. O'Keefe's reporting exposed and destroyed ACORN. Good for him. Same with the planned parenthood sting. Its called reporting - something liberals don't understand.
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So, lying and making stuff up is OK when it is your side doing it?:roll:
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
You might want to look elsewhere for your news. The state of california said that O'Keefe lied and made up his claims about ACORN and he had to pay a fine and apologized for making crap up. This is public record. You can look it up, but you chose not to.
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NeverTrumpGOP said:
Those are the facts. Sorry you don't like them.
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So you choose dishonesty... What a shock... It's ok though, I've gotten quite used to folks on the left resorting to lies to prop up their beliefs. I was just hoping you might possess that trait that's become so rare to find in today's progressives... It's called "integrity".

First, O'Keefe did not have to apologize for "making crap up". That is a lie, an untruth, a whopper, a fish story, a tall tale, etc... This is what he said through his lawyer: "Mr O'Keefe regrets any pain suffered by Mr Vera or his family." O'Keefe also stated that the payment was "in no way representative of any actual or implied admissions of liability"

You see Mr. Fibbs, the only reason O'Keefe was sued in the first place, was because it was illegal to videotape someone in California without their consent.

Then there's the California AG's statement to the press, claiming O'Keefe used deceptive editing and implied that he had portrayed them dishonestly. That statement was a political one, made by the democratic AG. The reason we all know it wasn't true, is because every single one of the unedited, full versions of those ACORN videos were released to the public nearly 8 years ago and not one person on this board, not one leftist blogger, not one liberal pundit, and not one journalist from any media outlet, has never presented one single clip from the nearly dozen full length, unedited videotapes, that shows that O'Keefe had taken anyone out of context, had misrepresented the words, beliefs or actions of those ACORN employees, by means of deception , clever editing, or by any other means.

If you disagree, then by all means show me the clip that backs you up.... Have fun if you go hunting for one, because it's pretty damned hard to present a clip that never existed in the first place.

and btw, his not wearing the "pimp outfit" in those meetings, doesn't change one single word of what was said by those ACORN hacks.
 
Grim17 said:
If you are referring to ACORN, then please see post #81.
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O'Keefe is a con artist, everyone sees it, except for those that want to be conned.
 
beefheart said:
O'Keefe is a con artist, everyone sees it, except for those that want to be conned.
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Read post #81 and if you disagree, then show me where he used deceptive editing to misrepresent what those ACORN workers said, or had taken them out of context in any way. Since the full, unedited videos have been public for more than 7 years, that should be easy. Hell, with the seething hatred and disdain the left displays at the mere mention of his name, there must be literally hundreds and hundreds of progressive bloggers and liberal journalists that went through those ACORN videos with a fine tooth comb...

For once, I would like just one of the dozens of people around here who defend ACORN and claim O'Keefe's undercover videos were lies, to either show me the evidence, or admit they were wrong. I mean there has to be at least one of you that values honesty around here.


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Somerville said:
Correct. However, one must wonder why the charges were dropped from the felony level to misdemeanor. Three years probation seems a bit severe for a "misdemeanor"charge.
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I'm not an attorney or judge, so my layperson's guess is that O'Keefe and the other three men didn't have priors?

From The Hill article linked previously:

O’Keefe got the toughest sentence. His co-defendants, Stan Dai, Joseph Basel and Robert Flanagan, each got two years of probation, 75 hours of community service and the same fine as O’Keefe.
ACORN filmmaker James O?Keefe sentenced in Sen. Mary Landrieu break-in | TheHill

From CNN in 2010:

Joseph Basel, 24; Robert Flanagan, 24; James O'Keefe, 25; and Stan Dai, 24, were charged with entering Landrieu's New Orleans office under "false pretenses for the purpose of committing a felony," according to a news release from the local U.S. attorney's office. The office is federal property.

The four posted a $10,000 unsecured bond and were released, said Kathy English of the Department of Justice.
4 charged in U.S. Senate office infiltration in New Orleans - CNN.com
 
Grim17 said:
So you choose dishonesty... What a shock... It's ok though, I've gotten quite used to folks on the left resorting to lies to prop up their beliefs. I was just hoping you might possess that trait that's become so rare to find in today's progressives... It's called "integrity".

First, O'Keefe did not have to apologize for "making crap up". That is a lie, an untruth, a whopper, a fish story, a tall tale, etc... This is what he said through his lawyer: "Mr O'Keefe regrets any pain suffered by Mr Vera or his family." O'Keefe also stated that the payment was "in no way representative of any actual or implied admissions of liability"

You see Mr. Fibbs, the only reason O'Keefe was sued in the first place, was because it was illegal to videotape someone in California without their consent.

Then there's the California AG's statement to the press, claiming O'Keefe used deceptive editing and implied that he had portrayed them dishonestly. That statement was a political one, made by the democratic AG. The reason we all know it wasn't true, is because every single one of the unedited, full versions of those ACORN videos were released to the public nearly 8 years ago and not one person on this board, not one leftist blogger, not one liberal pundit, and not one journalist from any media outlet, has never presented one single clip from the nearly dozen full length, unedited videotapes, that shows that O'Keefe had taken anyone out of context, had misrepresented the words, beliefs or actions of those ACORN employees, by means of deception , clever editing, or by any other means.

If you disagree, then by all means show me the clip that backs you up.... Have fun if you go hunting for one, because it's pretty damned hard to present a clip that never existed in the first place.

and btw, his not wearing the "pimp outfit" in those meetings, doesn't change one single word of what was said by those ACORN hacks.
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And why was pain suffered by Mr. Vera in the first place hmmm? Especially since Mr. Vera was found not to have done any wrongdoing himself? You really have lack of context to twist O'Keefe as the good guy here.

Sorry Grim. You can't go around claiming that the editing con artist doesn't misleadingly edit his videos and then ask for people to find "unedited" versions of them :lamo. But fighting youtube videos with youtube videos is not my style. Especially not relitigating eight year old debates about organizations that don't even exist anymore, but I'll happily pull apart whatever new videos he will release soon. Unless this is attention grabber BS.
 
Grim17 said:
Read post #81 and if you disagree, then show me where he used deceptive editing to misrepresent what those ACORN workers said, or had taken them out of context in any way. Since the full, unedited videos have been public for more than 7 years, that should be easy. Hell, with the seething hatred and disdain the left displays at the mere mention of his name, there must be literally hundreds and hundreds of progressive bloggers and liberal journalists that went through those ACORN videos with a fine tooth comb...

For once, I would like just one of the dozens of people around here who defend ACORN and claim O'Keefe's undercover videos were lies, to either show me the evidence, or admit they were wrong. I mean there has to be at least one of you that values honesty around here.


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Checkmate.
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
And why was pain suffered by Mr. Vera in the first place hmmm? Especially since Mr. Vera was found not to have done any wrongdoing himself? You really have lack of context to twist O'Keefe as the good guy here.
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Because out of all the ACORN workers who they videotaped, Mr. Vera was one who actually had moral standards. He played along with O'Keefe and as soon as they left his office, he called police. This information wasn't learned until after the release of the undercover videos, so that was the pain suffered by Mr. Vera.

Your statement that O'Keefe "apologized for making crap up." was a LIE. I was hoping to say it was a mistake on your part, but since you have not retracted or admitted the falsehood, it's obvious you not only lied, but continue embracing that lie... rather pathetic if you ask me.

Sorry Grim. You can't go around claiming that the editing con artist doesn't misleadingly edit his videos and then ask for people to find "unedited" versions of them
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Sorry pal, but I never made any such claim. I said that the ACORN videos were not edited in such a way as to misrepresent or take out of context, anything that those employees said, which is a STONE COLD FACT. To which you replied that he had to apologize for "making crap up", so I asked you to back up your claim that O'Keefe made crap up... aka fabricated, manipulated, or edited any of those ACORN videos in such a way, that it gave the public a false impression about what those employees said, suggested, condoned and advocated for on those tapes.

The problem for you here is crystal clear. You can't possibly point out an example that backs up your assertion that O'Keefe made crap up on those ACORN videos and smeared their employees, because just like your apology claim, it's nothing but a lie. You can't present evidence of something that never happened.

Both the edited and unedited versions of those ACORN undercover videos have been publicly available for more than 7 years, yet nowhere on the net can you find anyone who has ever shown an example where O'Keefe had mischaracterized or misrepresented the words and actions of any of those ACORN workers. Yet there are people like you, thousands of them, who to this day knowingly lie by proclaiming that such evidence not only exists, but exists in abundance.

Have you ever pondered the question: "If my beliefs are so righteous and solid, then how come I have to lie and deceive people in order to prop them up?"

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Renae said:
I love what O'Keefe and his people are doing, they get out information and stories that matter. I support their work, and whatever they got building up sounds like it's going to be a real humdinger, I can't wait to see what they put out next. What is the "Holy Grail" they are about to expose? Trying to figure that out.
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O'Keefe has been caught deceptively editing footage like, a bunch of times. How many more times does he have to get caught before you people give a ****?

Wait. He says what you want to believe. You'll never give a crap if he's lying.
 
Grim17 said:
so I asked you to back up your claim that O'Keefe made crap up... aka fabricated, manipulated, or edited any of those ACORN videos in such a way, that it gave the public a false impression about what those employees said, suggested, condoned and advocated for on those tapes.
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That's what the state of California ruled, but you didn't agree with their ruling because you've been fooled into thinking the sky is green.
I mean seriously, is this what conservative activism has turned into? Trusting known con artists over sensible reasonable stances.

O'Keefe stated that he was out to make a point and to damage ACORN and therefore did not act as a journalist "objectively reporting a story."
Furthermore, The judge ruled that O'Keefe had
"misled plaintiff to believe that the conversation would remain confidential by posing as a client seeking services from ACORN and asking whether their conversation was confidential."
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You're right, O'Keefe didn't apologize for making crap up, he called the whole case against him a nuisance!

I suggest you read the Wikipedia Entry I copied these quotes from because it doesn't seem like you know that much about the case against O'Keefe.
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
That's what the state of California ruled, but you didn't agree with their ruling because you've been fooled into thinking the sky is green.
I mean seriously, is this what conservative activism has turned into? Trusting known con artists over sensible reasonable stances.

O'Keefe stated that he was out to make a point and to damage ACORN and therefore did not act as a journalist "objectively reporting a story."
Furthermore, The judge ruled that O'Keefe had

"misled plaintiff to believe that the conversation would remain confidential by posing as a client seeking services from ACORN and asking whether their conversation was confidential."
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Again, You are lying.

The question I posed to you was, had O'Keefe:

"fabricated, manipulated, or edited any of those ACORN videos in such a way, that it gave the public a false impression about what those employees said, suggested, condoned and advocated for on those tapes."

The judge's ruling you quoted did not say O'Keefe had deceptively edited those videos, or that O'Keefe had misrepresented Vera's words or actions, or that he had presented Vera in a deceptive or misleading way. In fact, that judge never said or even implied that anything presented in those videos, edited or unedited, was dishonest or deceptive in any way. All he says in your quote is that O'Keefe mislead him about their conversation being private... Or to put it another way, O'Keefe lied to the man so he would freely speak his mind, the same way every other undercover investigative journalist has done for 50 years.


You're right, O'Keefe didn't apologize for making crap up, he called the whole case against him a nuisance!
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Finally, you have admitted one of your accusations was false, just as I stated right from the beginning...

Now it's time for you to admit that the allegation that O'Keefe had deceptively edited those ACORN videos, giving people a false and misleading impression of what those workers said, suggested and advocated for, was also baseless and false.



I suggest you read the Wikipedia Entry I copied these quotes from because it doesn't seem like you know that much about the case against O'Keefe.
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I did read it and I have a suggestion for you... Learn how to discern fact from opinions, assumptions and non-facts when reading things on Wiki. Take for example the paragraph on the topic we are now discussion:

O'Keefe moved for summary judgment in his favor, arguing that the plaintiff had no reasonable expectation that the conversation would be private. In August 2012, the federal judge hearing the case denied O'Keefe's motion for summary judgment. The judge ruled that O'Keefe had "misled plaintiff to believe that the conversation would remain confidential by posing as a client seeking services from ACORN and asking whether their conversation was confidential."[61] On March 5, 2013, O'Keefe agreed to pay $100,000 to former California ACORN employee Juan Carlos Vera for deliberately misrepresenting Mr. Vera's actions, and acknowledged in the settlement that at the time he published his video he was unaware that Vera had notified the police about the incident. The settlement contained the following apology: "O'Keefe regrets any pain suffered by Mr. Vera or his family."[62][63]
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All you have to do is click on the links they source to and you will find what are facts, and what are not.

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Grim17 said:
Again, You are lying.

The question I posed to you was, had O'Keefe:

"fabricated, manipulated, or edited any of those ACORN videos in such a way, that it gave the public a false impression about what those employees said, suggested, condoned and advocated for on those tapes."

The judge's ruling you quoted did not say O'Keefe had deceptively edited those videos, or that O'Keefe had misrepresented Vera's words or actions, or that he had presented Vera in a deceptive or misleading way. In fact, that judge never said or even implied that anything presented in those videos, edited or unedited, was dishonest or deceptive in any way. All he says in your quote is that O'Keefe mislead him about their conversation being private... Or to put it another way, O'Keefe lied to the man so he would freely speak his mind, the same way every other undercover investigative journalist has done for 50 years.




Finally, you have admitted one of your accusations was false, just as I stated right from the beginning...

Now it's time for you to admit that the allegation that O'Keefe had deceptively edited those ACORN videos, giving people a false and misleading impression of what those workers said, suggested and advocated for, was also baseless and false.





I did read it and I have a suggestion for you... Learn how to discern fact from opinions, assumptions and non-facts when reading things on Wiki. Take for example the paragraph on the topic we are now discussion:



All you have to do is click on the links they source to and you will find what are facts, and what are not.

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He did deceptively edit videos. Do you agree or disagree?
 
Deuce said:
He did deceptively edit videos. Do you agree or disagree?
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I stand by exactly what I said.

If you disagree with my statement, then by all means be the first person to back it up with evidence.

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Grim17 said:
I stand by exactly what I said.

If you disagree with my statement, then by all means be the first person to back it up with evidence.

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Brooklyn District Attorney Charles Hynes: "They edited the tape to meet their agenda."

California AG: "The video releases were heavily edited to feature only the worst or most inappropriate statements of the various ACORN employees and to omit some of the most salient statements by O'Keefe and Giles. Each of the ACORN employees recorded in California was a low level employee whose job was to help the needy individuals who walked in the door seeking assistance. Giles and O'Keefe lied to engender compassion, but then edited their statements from the released videos.[9]"
 
The pimp suit O'Keefe tried to portray he wore. (the suit appears at the beginning of the video)
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But leaving the ACORN office he reaches for the door and accidentally gets his DRESS SHIRT SLEEVE in the frame

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Grim17 said:

The judge's ruling you quoted did not say O'Keefe had deceptively edited those videos, or that O'Keefe had misrepresented Vera's words or actions, or that he had presented Vera in a deceptive or misleading way. In fact, that judge never said or even implied that anything presented in those videos, edited or unedited, was dishonest or deceptive in any way. All he says in your quote is that O'Keefe mislead him about their conversation being private... Or to put it another way, O'Keefe lied to the man so he would freely speak his mind, the same way every other undercover investigative journalist has done for 50 years.
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You are wrong, and O'Keefe even said he wasn't acting like a journalist. He was acting like Greenpeace or PETA smearing a guy so that he could sell his "story," and fool others. You can twist it anyway you like, but the ruling is concrete. O'Keefe is a con artist.

Just because I am sleeping does not mean, checkmate.
 
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