Trump Has A Relatively High IQ

Trump has some talents, though I don't believe he would have been rich without inheriting his father's fortune. He grew it at a rate that was a bit less than he would have earned if he had just invested in some index funds. But he didn't lose it, which is certainly something. He also has a talent for branding.

But he is not intelligent. The average IQ is 100. I would bet money Trump's IQ is in the mid 90s. There is nothing wrong with that, of course, though it probably isn't ideal for the position of POTUS.

AYSM said:

"The Mayor of San Juan...a city...should be directing her requests to the PR Governor...not the President."

I guess you didn't really say that then?

I figured the idea wouldn't be received well.

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You are the one who suggested Trump should do...well, something for political optics, it seems. I'm saying he shouldn't. I'm saying she should be talking to her Governor instead of the President.

Any way, I guess you figured right.

I agree to disagree regarding the optics, which was the intended target of the thread to address, ty.

Skeptic Bob said:

Trump has some talents, though I don't believe he would have been rich without inheriting his father's fortune. He grew it at a rate that was a bit less than he would have earned if he had just invested in some index funds. But he didn't lose it, which is certainly something. He also has a talent for branding.

But he is not intelligent. The average IQ is 100. I would bet money Trump's IQ is in the mid 90s. There is nothing wrong with that, of course, though it probably isn't ideal for the position of POTUS.

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Trump certainly was born into a life of advantage and not unlike Dubya, prolly a good thing for them or I doubt we'd ever heard of either of them...prolly not so good for the country that we have...oh well...this too will pass.

I don't think IQ is a good ruler to measure one's abilities...I submit Jimmy Carter...while considered one of our higher IQ leaders, he had a heck of a time getting much done...too nice perhaps?

No doubt Trump has talents and it will be interesting to watch him use them as the show unfolds.
It will be interesting to see if his talent for getting what he wants will get him through four years...I'm betting against...offered, 8 to 5, my $800 to their $500, the day after the election and for some time to follow, down at the gym...got no takers.

We'll know more as what he really wants becomes more clear...whatever it is...I'm thinking his goals are more narcissistic
And I doubt "four more years" is even on his list...that will likely depend on if he still has more to do when the time comes.

Quite honestly...I doubt getting things done through normal channels is high on his list, so how he see's winning, prolly has little to do with #MAGA

That got him in the door...problem started as he began to realize he was not elected supreme being and found he was technically in control of only one third of the government with some special powers when perverted just might get him to where he wants to be...sadly, I believe he has an ulterior motive which has nothing to do with the bs he shoveled to get him where he is.

I must say, I'm impressed that he pulled it off...granted, the stars were somewhat aligned for him, considering the other main contender...and the strong financial support from the swamp monsters.

AYSM said:

Nobody suggested Trump is holding anything up that I'm aware.

As to making things up...what are you suggesting?

I saw a study regarding his high IQ...might have been total bull as far as I know and since I haven't seen anyone support such a suggestion perhaps that was made up?

Funny that nobody seems to defend the notion he's intelligent...even his supporters don't, near as I can tell.

Perhaps you are suggesting the Mayor was making up ****?

I didn't make up anything other than my suggestion of how he could appear more Presidential...just my opinion but hardly anything leftist motivated...one thing is sure...no one will ever have any whole story.

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There are plenty of stories out there making **** up about every president using anonymous sources. The latest I recall in detail was a story that Trump was holding up a hospital ship for dispatch. That HC intervened to get it done. That reporter has since admitted HC had absolutely nothing to do with it. That the hospital ship historically takes a minimum of five days to get it ready to move, and it was sent in that timeframe. Something the article failed to mention.

As to his IQ? Who cares what a person's IQ is as long as it is normal or above? It is not an indication of how well or how poorly a president will perform. The Left is making stuff up on blogs, in opinion pieces not clearly so designated and in plain old so-called news.

The US has done a remarkable job addressing three natural disasters within a very short period of time. The Left is now picking that excellent response apart to yet again bash Trump. It's pretty pathetic, actually.

MaggieD said:

There are plenty of stories out there making **** up about every president using anonymous sources. The latest I recall in detail was a story that Trump was holding up a hospital ship for dispatch. That HC intervened to get it done. That reporter has since admitted HC had absolutely nothing to do with it. That the hospital ship historically takes a minimum of five days to get it ready to move, and it was sent in that timeframe. Something the article failed to mention.

As to his IQ? Who cares what a person's IQ is as long as it is normal or above? It is not an indication of how well or how poorly a president will perform. The Left is making stuff up on blogs, in opinion pieces not clearly so designated and in plain old so-called news.

The US has done a remarkable job addressing three natural disasters within a very short period of time. The Left is now picking that excellent response apart to yet again bash Trump. It's pretty pathetic, actually.

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Thank you for clearing that up...your "leftist" rant didn't address this thread but your reaction to some form of other "news" regarding a related topic...thanks for clarifying that you were trying to add an unneeded partisanship into the debate...sadly, that clouds your objectivity in addressing the concept...no worries...happens often by many, just wanted to be sure...:thumbs:

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Thank you for clearing that up...your "leftist" rant didn't address this thread but your reaction to some form of other "news" regarding a related topic...thanks for clarifying that you were trying to add an unneeded partisanship into the debate...sadly, that clouds your objectivity in addressing the concept...no worries...happens often by many, just wanted to be sure...:thumbs:

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Condescending doesn't become you.

EnigmaO01 said:

Give me a break. The man isn't even close to being an intellectual so how he could have a high I.Q. is absurd.

I'm pretty sure he's probably one of the dumbest presidents of modern times if not THE dumbest.

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You people say that about every republican. Seems he outsmarted all your ilk.

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What if...? said:

Oh many crooks are very bright.

But intelligent people tend to be knowledgeable about things. Trump appears at best to be a one trick pony. I generally use the term cunning for just above average. Able to see enough of a bigger picture to have an advantage, but not a "seeking" intellect.

I'm quite sure I could dust trump at Jeapardy unless it was all commercial real estate development questions. And even then it might be close.

He dose international business but doesn't seem to know much about international politics which seems odd for an "intelligent" person.

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I assume by intelligent persons you mean lefties who agree with you.

Believe it or not, there are high IQ persons who don't agree with you.

My experience with professor intellectual types is that they are the true one trick ponies. May have gotten some knowledge concerning quantum physics from a book. but call the slow guy in maintenance when the light bulb burns out.

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Bucky said:

If commercial real estate was easy to understand, everyone would be rich.

Donald Trump is a real estate savant. The guy is brilliant in that way.

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Like I said, one trick pony.

Relative to what? A mango?

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jimbo said:

I assume by intelligent persons you mean lefties who agree with you.

Believe it or not, there are high IQ persons who don't agree with you.

My experience with professor intellectual types is that they are the true one trick ponies. May have gotten some knowledge concerning quantum physics from a book. but call the slow guy in maintenance when the light bulb burns out.

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Boy, is everything partisan to you.

I don't see trump as an intellectual. He doesn't even like to read.

He shows NONE of the traits I associate with a high IQ.

You don't need a high IQ to get rich.

Ideology has exactly nothing to do with it.

And I seriously doubt your boy has any real work skills.

Do you think he knows what a fuel pump is, could find one on a car or replace it if he could?

MaggieD said:

Condescending doesn't become you.

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Try taking it another way then...how about we take it up in another thread rather than go further OT in this one?

Hopefully today, time permitting...I'm going to start a thread called "Fake News" where this might be more appropriate...

I hope you will join me there.

eace

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jimbo said:

My experience with professor intellectual types is that they are the true one trick ponies. May have gotten some knowledge concerning quantum physics from a book. but call the slow guy in maintenance when the light bulb burns out.

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My old man was a PhD College Professor...Business Department Head...Dean of Students for a bit...he had a position that qualified him to be sent to Africa through USAID for a couple of years...made good money...mom was frugal...I've no doubt he died quite wealthy...mom was also quite greedy...he had a quite high IQ and very little experience actually running a business...he felt he failed with me...his loss.

I have a brother who is a quite successful Engineer and quite smart...glad it wasn't his writing hand when he sliced his tendon helping me remodel their kitchen...ignorant of drywall corner metal and the potential for hurt during a demo.

Me...the black sheep and altogether different story...I prefer my adventure, which by social standards would be considered an utter failure in contrast...I did it my way...it don't get any better than that...:happy:

I've had my "successes" and "failures"...after the end of an 18 year marriage...consisting of lots of overtime work and many job opportunities and a fair bit of boredom, after a quick learning curve I would quit and seek a new adventure after a short vacation and spending some extra time with mama and our girls...during that time, most of it was spent either neck down or in combination of neck down and neck up work...some sort of leadership position...and up to the total neck up where I was not permitted to do actual hands on labor (dang near government work, lol...longest job I've ever had was four and a half years with Chevron...got to the unclassified position of "Drilling Foreman" then a downturn and we went from 13 drilling rigs down to two in a period of about a month...back then, early 80's, they didn't lay you off...just transferred me...still assigned to Drilling on loan back to Production with no Foreman positions available so they make you a Relief Foreman, with the label of Operations Assistant, comes with office and a secretary...less the company car and expense account...went from spending perhaps 100K in a day to looking for wells to steam and run economics to justify an increased production a value of a few hundred dollars per day...boring.

When in Production years prior in the Engineering Dept as an Assistant...Mike and I proposed a deep well acid was frack job...anything that went in for approval had to meet a 2 1/2 year payout...we estimated 90 day payout to cover the 100K+ job...way cool fun and blew us away when we hit a payout in about 14 hours...that's fun..."a hundred a day and a place to stay" was the motto I developed in later years...my next life as a nomad handyman...not hardly of interest in the present context so I began bitching and my secretary said, "At least you have a job."...whoopee

Back then I always quit first...took a break...then usually found a job within one day when looking...the world has changed.

Anyway...going another 6 months would net me 25% equity in company stock worth about 3K...so the question equated roughly to...if they gave me back my car and expense account (roughly $500/mo value)...would I stay...starting to sound encouraging to leave...

(friend just showed...more to follow)

I often call Trump a moron, but he's smarter than people give him credit for. Here's a guy who was a registered Democrat 3 times, a friend of the EVIL Clinton's, called for massive tax hikes on the rich, supported universal health care, was pro choice, and supported many other "liberal positions", who managed to suddenly overnight cast himself as a staunch "conservative", and anti everything Democrat. He latched onto the birther issue in 2011, which made him immensely popular with many Republican voters, and rode that drivel all the way to the GOP nomination and the presidency.

I have to give Trump credit where it's due. He managed to convince millions of Republican voters that despite his life long "liberal past", that he was their new conservative champion, and that he was going to erase the legacy of the EVIL Obama. Of course, he's failed miserably in pretty much every regard, but the true believers won't blame him, they'll blame anyone but him. It's the Democrats, establishment GOP, liberals, media, etc fault, not Trump's.

Mycroft said:

You won't get the whole story from the left. You'll only get their spun narrative.

Here is an example: https://theconservativetreehouse.co...ative-surrounding-puerto-rico-relief-efforts/

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You complain about spun narratives and then post a link to the conservative treehouse...awesome.

Puigb said:

You complain about spun narratives and then post a link to the conservative treehouse...awesome.

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Do you have an aversion to facts? Or do you only have an aversion to facts that are presented by conservatives?

Mycroft said:

Do you have an aversion to facts? Or do you only have an aversion to facts that are presented by conservatives?

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the crew over at conservative treehouse are the masters are spinning narratives to suit their beliefs/agendas. They are the equivalent to Alex Jones.

Puigb said:

the crew over at conservative treehouse are the masters are spinning narratives to suit their beliefs/agendas. They are the equivalent to Alex Jones.

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shrug...

If you think any of the facts they presented are false, make your case.

Me? I get information from a lot of sources...leftwing and rightwing...then I filter out the spin. Maybe you can do the same?

This is hysterical. Donald, Ivanka and Don Jr. were asked by Howard Stern to calculate 17 x 6. None of them could do it. Plenty of time.

They had repeated chances. I would say he has an average IQ at best. I mean he's a business man.



These people are running the country.

Hawkeye10 said:

I was smart enough to see and talk about stuff going on in America that no one else was talking about, that's good enough for me.

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Well damn, I was looking for something else and I see that I ****ed this up yesterday...


That was supposed to be "HE", as in Trump....this guy has the smarts and the balls to talk truth no one else is talking about, whether it is because they are too immoral or too stupid or both we can argue about but that's what happened......Trump was the only one who did it right, who was found looking out for me at crunch time.....It is going to take a HELL Of A LOT to convince me that he is not good people after that.

MaggieD said:

...their ports are in bad shape, as are their air fields. I'm also sure their roads are furiously being cleared to transport from airports inland and ports inland. It's a logistical nightmare.

If ships can't get docked and unloaded fast enough, what is the purpose? If the stuff can't get moved around the island any faster, what is the point?

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Actually, there appear to be container loads sitting on the dock that aren't getting delivered due to lack of truck drivers...so I've heard...military drivers could have been deployed days ago...however, addressing your questions...I developed a work ethic that didn't include can't...there's can't hardly...had a boss explain to me out on the drilling rig...if I can't hardly do something to give him a call...after I got it done.

Here's how I see it...after about 72 hours without drinking water the body goes into a rapid decline...the storm has longer since past...in other words...people who have not managed to figure out a method of decontamination of flood water are dying and many are no doubt dead...I'm recalled a college class I took about "Who runs the country"...it was a class about people like the Carnegie's, Rockefeller's etc. and how they are brought up different...being prepped to the lifestyle...a student asked, "What can we do?"...I blurted out, "If you have to ask that question, you're already too late."

No intention at any sort of insult but I submit my reaction to your questions would be about the same.

As to some examples...if they can't get supplies in by road...I would have sent the aircraft carrier loaded with helo's so air lifting drinking water, fuel, & food could have been under way days ago...even while many miles out if in transit...how about cargo planes dumping parachute pallets of water to start...people can go weeks without food but water not so.

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...the hospital ship historically takes a minimum of five days to get it ready to move...

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In other words...it should have been in the region already...having been sent after Irma passed through the US Virgin Islands causing devastating damage to American territory.

As to his IQ? Who cares what a person's IQ is as long as it is normal or above? It is not an indication of how well or how poorly a president will perform.

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When I finish my story started in post 39...using me as an example, I think it will illustrate this quite well...

The US has done a remarkable job addressing three natural disasters within a very short period of time.

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Perhaps but Trump could do much better.

Houston got slammed...Trump tweeted quickly, help is on the way.

Florida got slammed...Trump tweeted quickly, help is on the way.

How come very little attention to the damage done by Irma to US Territories...particularly St. John and St. Thomas and a bit of a hit on Puerto Rico...remember that ship that takes five days...did it ever get there?

Fast forward...another bigger hit on Puerto Rico...arguably one of the worst humanitarian crisis' in US History...where's the tweets? We know he has his phone...ask the NFL.

So, apparently after many cries for help and so many noting his apparent lack of concern it appears someone pulled him aside and informed him that Puerto Rico was a US Territory full of US citizens...many of whom served in the military...prolly went something like,

"Puerto what?"

"Puerto Rico, it's an Island in the ocean."

"Is it a big ocean?"

Granted...perhaps it took a while to find him buried under so many flags...he could do much better.

AYSM said:

Actually, there appear to be container loads sitting on the dock that aren't getting delivered due to lack of truck drivers...so I've heard...military drivers could have been deployed days ago...however, addressing your questions...I developed a work ethic that didn't include can't...there's can't hardly...had a boss explain to me out on the drilling rig...if I can't hardly do something to give him a call...after I got it done.

Here's how I see it...after about 72 hours without drinking water the body goes into a rapid decline...the storm has longer since past...in other words...people who have not managed to figure out a method of decontamination of flood water are dying and many are no doubt dead...I'm recalled a college class I took about "Who runs the country"...it was a class about people like the Carnegie's, Rockefeller's etc. and how they are brought up different...being prepped to the lifestyle...a student asked, "What can we do?"...I blurted out, "If you have to ask that question, you're already too late."

No intention at any sort of insult but I submit my reaction to your questions would be about the same.

As to some examples...if they can't get supplies in by road...I would have sent the aircraft carrier loaded with helo's so air lifting drinking water, fuel, & food could have been under way days ago...even while many miles out if in transit...how about cargo planes dumping parachute pallets of water to start...people can go weeks without food but water not so.




In other words...it should have been in the region already...having been sent after Irma passed through the US Virgin Islands causing devastating damage to American territory.



When I finish my story started in post 39...using me as an example, I think it will illustrate this quite well...



Perhaps but Trump could do much better.

Houston got slammed...Trump tweeted quickly, help is on the way.

Florida got slammed...Trump tweeted quickly, help is on the way.

How come very little attention to the damage done by Irma to US Territories...particularly St. John and St. Thomas and a bit of a hit on Puerto Rico...remember that ship that takes five days...did it ever get there?

Fast forward...another bigger hit on Puerto Rico...arguably one of the worst humanitarian crisis' in US History...where's the tweets? We know he has his phone...ask the NFL.

So, apparently after many cries for help and so many noting his apparent lack of concern it appears someone pulled him aside and informed him that Puerto Rico was a US Territory full of US citizens...many of whom served in the military...prolly went something like,

"Puerto what?"

"Puerto Rico, it's an Island in the ocean."

"Is it a big ocean?"

Granted...perhaps it took a while to find him buried under so many flags...he could do much better.

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Fifty airmen have already been deployed in Puerto Rico to do exactly what you've said they "ought" to do. Fifty. Now I know you're smarter than the average bear, but perhaps you missed this. They've flown 41 missions delivering tons of food and supplies.

That included tasking an Army brigadier general to take command of the nearly 5,000 active-duty forces operating on the island alongside some 2,500 National Guard members, said Army Lt. Col. Jamie Davis, a Pentagon spokesman. Brig. Gen. Rich Kim, Army North’s deputy commander, arrived in Puerto Rico on Wednesday to establish a land-based command structture.

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It is three minites, three days, three weeks, by the way. Air, water, food.

The Governor has expressed his thanks for our support thus far. He is now asking for troops, manpower. As many as 5,000 are on their way. And 5,000 are there already. With a four-star on his way to replace the three-star that's already commanding 5,000 US soldiers and 2,500 National Guard forces.

https://www.ksl.com/?nid=157&sid=45...t-more-us-ships-troops-heading-to-puerto-rico

That included tasking an Army brigadier general to take command of the nearly 5,000 active-duty forces operating on the island alongside some 2,500 National Guard members, said Army Lt. Col. Jamie Davis, a Pentagon spokesman. Brig. Gen. Rich Kim, Army North’s deputy commander, arrived in Puerto Rico on Wednesday to establish a land-based command structure, taking over for the USS Kearsarge-based commander who had been leading military response operations.

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It's a mess. Give credit where it's due. Trump has also suspended the provisions that call for state cost-sharing for all of the supplies, equipment and food. "Send whatever they need," appears to be the rule of the day.

We are, imo, responding as fast as possible. Can armchair quarterbacks make other decisions? Of course. But they know nothing.

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Fifty airmen have already been deployed in Puerto Rico to do exactly what you've said they "ought" to do. Fifty. Now I know you're smarter than the average bear, but perhaps you missed this. They've flown 41 missions delivering tons of food and supplies.

Airmen deliver Soldiers, communication equipment to Haiti > U.S. Air Force > Article Display

It is three minites, three days, three weeks, by the way. Air, water, food.

The Governor has expressed his thanks for our support thus far. He is now asking for troops, manpower. As many as 5,000 are on their way. And 5,000 are there already. With a four-star on his way to replace the three-star that's already commanding 5,000 US soldiers and 2,500 National Guard forces.

https://www.ksl.com/?nid=157&sid=45...t-more-us-ships-troops-heading-to-puerto-rico



It's a mess. Give credit where it's due. Trump has also suspended the provisions that call for state cost-sharing for all of the supplies, equipment and food. "Send whatever they need," appears to be the rule of the day.

We are, imo, responding as fast as possible. Can armchair quarterbacks make other decisions? Of course. But they know nothing.

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Interesting but why do you use quotes from a 2010 article about Haiti? Perhaps you missed that? Now who is being condescending?

The second link dated the 27th, speaks of Trumps actions the day before, last Tuesday the 26th, regarding a storm hit from nearly a week earlier on the 20th...interesting that the ship you mentioned which you said takes five days to prepare will be ready to leave next Saturday...nearly five days from Trumps announcement and not scheduled to arrive until three to five days after that (in other words, nearly two weeks after the hurricane passed through)...makes sense.

As to the numbers you state...the second link you submitted which I assumed was to substantiate your claim, "As many as 5,000 are on their way. And 5,000 are there already. With a four-star on his way to replace the three-star that's already commanding 5,000 US soldiers and 2,500 National Guard forces."...it didn't.

What I found was, "The Pentagon is greatly increasing the active-duty military forces being sent in to help relief efforts in Puerto Rico, growing from about 2,500 now to possibly double that number in the next several days."

Another wrong link?

AYSM said:

Interesting but why do you use quotes from a 2010 article about Haiti? Perhaps you missed that? Now who is being condescending?

The second link dated the 27th, speaks of Trumps actions the day before, last Tuesday the 26th, regarding a storm hit from nearly a week earlier on the 20th...interesting that the ship you mentioned which you said takes five days to prepare will be ready to leave next Saturday...nearly five days from Trumps announcement and not scheduled to arrive until three to five days after that (in other words, nearly two weeks after the hurricane passed through)...makes sense.

As to the numbers you state...the second link you submitted which I assumed was to substantiate your claim, "As many as 5,000 are on their way. And 5,000 are there already. With a four-star on his way to replace the three-star that's already commanding 5,000 US soldiers and 2,500 National Guard forces."...it didn't.

What I found was, "The Pentagon is greatly increasing the active-duty military forces being sent in to help relief efforts in Puerto Rico, growing from about 2,500 now to possibly double that number in the next several days."

Another wrong link?

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You'll notice I removed that link when I found my mistake. I travelled to Kenosha and back today. I'm honestly too tired to address this. Tomorrow.