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If you care about private servers in 2017, but didn't in 2016, you are a hypocrite

Gonzo Rodeo

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As the title states, if private email servers are suddenly a problem for you, but were not last year, you have an inconsistent position that bears further review.

Two consistent positions exist:

1. Everyone with a private email server who works for the government should be subject to investigation and prosecution if wrongdoing is found (such as the passing of classified information); or

2. It's frowned upon but ultimately not actionable.

This works in reverse as well. If you cared last year, but not this year, you are also a hypocrite.
 
Re: If you care about private servers in 2017, but didn't in 2016, you are a hypocrit

Well it's a hyperpartisan world out there.
 
Re: If you care about private servers in 2017, but didn't in 2016, you are a hypocrit

Yeah it was never really about the emails. After many years of failed Benghazi hearings the Republicans needed a new shtick and that proved to be convenient.
 
Re: If you care about private servers in 2017, but didn't in 2016, you are a hypocrit

RabidAlpaca said:
Yeah it was never really about the emails. After many years of failed Benghazi hearings the Republicans needed a new shtick and that proved to be convenient.
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So you don't think private servers are anything of concern?
 
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Gonzo Rodeo said:
As the title states, if private email servers are suddenly a problem for you, but were not last year, you have an inconsistent position that bears further review.
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Private servers are not a real big problem for me, however, hypocrisy is, and since Republican had a coronary arrest about them last year to suit their own needs, it's important for us to make a big deal of them not to demonstrate the ridiculous hypocrisy of Republicans and show people how foolish they were for falling for this crap.
 
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MrWonka said:
Private servers are not a real big problem for me, however, hypocrisy is, and since Republican had a coronary arrest about them last year to suit their own needs, it's important for us to make a big deal of them not to demonstrate the ridiculous hypocrisy of Republicans and show people how foolish they were for falling for this crap.
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...but since liberals downplayed it and called it a witch hunt, shouldn't you do that ? Or, you know, be a hypocrite.
 
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Gonzo Rodeo said:
So you don't think private servers are anything of concern?
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I personally never cared. No, they probably shouldn't use them, but **** happens, it's not like somebody on either side murdered a baby or something.
 
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Gonzo Rodeo said:
As the title states, if private email servers are suddenly a problem for you, but were not last year, you have an inconsistent position that bears further review.

Two consistent positions exist:

1. Everyone with a private email server who works for the government should be subject to investigation and prosecution if wrongdoing is found (such as the passing of classified information); or

2. It's frowned upon but ultimately not actionable.

This works in reverse as well. If you cared last year, but not this year, you are also a hypocrite.
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Hey that' a really Cool Twist ... wish I would have thought of it.
 
Re: If you care about private servers in 2017, but didn't in 2016, you are a hypocrit

Cigar said:
Hey that' a really Cool Twist ... wish I would have thought of it.
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So you're saying everyone who has done wrong with a private server should be prosecuted?

I tend to agree.
 
Re: If you care about private servers in 2017, but didn't in 2016, you are a hypocrit

Gonzo Rodeo said:
As the title states, if private email servers are suddenly a problem for you, but were not last year, you have an inconsistent position that bears further review.

Two consistent positions exist:

1. Everyone with a private email server who works for the government should be subject to investigation and prosecution if wrongdoing is found (such as the passing of classified information); or

2. It's frowned upon but ultimately not actionable.

This works in reverse as well. If you cared last year, but not this year, you are also a hypocrite.
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Personally I am pretty indifferent to both, but there are other possible positions that are logically consistent. If the rules have changed, any position based on rules and laws would change(being indifferent, I have not followed enough to know if rules and laws have changed). What was sent over those servers could influence a persons opinion, as could the difference in knowledge about the issue between 2009 and 2017. But mostly, I just think there are bigger fish to fry.
 
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Gonzo Rodeo said:
So you're saying everyone who has done wrong with a private server should be prosecuted?

I tend to agree.
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But the Phrase you should use is "Insecure Private Server" ...

Because Private Servers can be Secured
 
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Gonzo Rodeo said:
...but since liberals downplayed it and called it a witch hunt, shouldn't you do that ? Or, you know, be a hypocrite.
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Forcing Republicans to put their money where their mouth is or be seen as hypocrites is very different than being a hypocrite myself. I understand that using a private email server is not that big of a deal, what makes it a big deal is the hypocrisy of conservatives. By not holding their feet to the fire we would be letting them to get away with the bull**** they pulled in 2016.
 
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Redress said:
Personally I am pretty indifferent to both, but there are other possible positions that are logically consistent. If the rules have changed, any position based on rules and laws would change(being indifferent, I have not followed enough to know if rules and laws have changed). What was sent over those servers could influence a persons opinion, as could the difference in knowledge about the issue between 2009 and 2017. But mostly, I just think there are bigger fish to fry.
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My worry is that the precedent has been set, that this isn't, in fact, actionably illegal now.

Irrespective of the content on the server, we've already seen an instance of confirmed classified (so, confirmed illegal) material given a pass. That's bad. And if it happens again, what can we legally do about it?
 
Re: If you care about private servers in 2017, but didn't in 2016, you are a hypocrit

Gonzo Rodeo said:
As the title states, if private email servers are suddenly a problem for you, but were not last year, you have an inconsistent position that bears further review.

Two consistent positions exist:

1. Everyone with a private email server who works for the government should be subject to investigation and prosecution if wrongdoing is found (such as the passing of classified information); or

2. It's frowned upon but ultimately not actionable.

This works in reverse as well. If you cared last year, but not this year, you are also a hypocrite.
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I lean toward 2. It's regrettable that those in government will try to skirt away from accountability, but violating the records act isn't exactly treason.
 
Re: If you care about private servers in 2017, but didn't in 2016, you are a hypocrit

Cigar said:
But the Phrase you should use is "Insecure Private Server" ...

Because Private Servers can be Secured
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.. and still hold classified illegally.
 
Re: If you care about private servers in 2017, but didn't in 2016, you are a hypocrit

Gonzo Rodeo said:
My worry is that the precedent has been set, that this isn't, in fact, actionably illegal now.

Irrespective of the content on the server, we've already seen an instance of confirmed classified (so, confirmed illegal) material given a pass. That's bad. And if it happens again, what can we legally do about it?
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That is not how the law read, and I am not sure how the law reads now.
 
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MrWonka said:
Forcing Republicans to put their money where their mouth is or be seen as hypocrites is very different than being a hypocrite myself. I understand that using a private email server is not that big of a deal, what makes it a big deal is the hypocrisy of conservatives. By not holding their feet to the fire we would be letting them to get away with the bull**** they pulled in 2016.
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And actually prosecuting the same behavior this time lets the other side get away with it.

You really don't see a problem with that?

If this is actually a problem, and I contend that it is, everyone who is responsible should be prosecuted. Everyone.

Understand?
 
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Re: If you care about private servers in 2017, but didn't in 2016, you are a hypocrit

Redress said:
That is not how the law read, and I am not sure how the law reads now.
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The law was always clear. Comey was ambiguous. He assumed a level of intent in the law that is not written into the law anywhere, and that intent was based on perceived harm which, again, is not a part of that specific law.

Hence my worry.
 
Re: If you care about private servers in 2017, but didn't in 2016, you are a hypocrit

Oh you partisans, the issue with hillary was she sent classified information on that private server, and deleted 33,0000 emails when subpoenaed to present them.


That's where the real crime was.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...m-to-hillary-clintons/?utm_term=.4aa8889cc766


yeah trump aides should not have been using it, but none of it dealt with classified information.


silly partisans.
 
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