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Colin Kaepernick wins

Nilly said:
The right wing are expert at framing conversations to suit their rhetoric.

This was never about anthems, flags or football. It was about police brutality.
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So the news media are now "the right wing" - you guys are hilarious.
 
Winston said:
Do you think crime rates have anything to do with rates of poverty?


ch.
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Yes, I'm quite sure they do, but that doesn't tel the whole story. It's far more likely that it has to with the fact that over 70% of blacks were born out wedlock. That's a national disgrace.( hmmm should white people be kneeling at the national anthem until they clean up their act?)

The reason nobody wants to talk about THAT is that it can't be blamed on white people.
 
ecofarm said:
Systemic racism does not require official policy. No one claimed it is official policy. What kind of stupid idiot strawman are you pushing?



"Oppressed white people."
:lamo
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If you're tired of "systemic racism", then knock it off. Get rid of the Congressional Black Caucus, and all of the other Marxist organizations you support. If you want to rid the country of systemic racism, stop supporting it. :shrug:
 
This Country has Problems with Black People who say No and they're not going to take it anymore.

That's ok ... instructions to follow.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Yes, choking an unarmed man to death you have in custody alone with 5 officers is murder, no I don't think you should just get to kill black people you don't like.





No, I do not think one dude and his study contradicts the black community's claim of injustice. It also says they're 25% more likely to:

push into wall
use handcuffs
draw weapons
push to ground
point weapon
use pepper spray or baton

That's not unsignificant.
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Did I say it was "insignificant" [sic]?


read my post again. the claim is killed, I proved that wrong. I also asked if the uptick could have other factors. yes or no?





To many of them a cop that chokes an unarmed man he has in custody to death is a hero while Kaepernick is the worst human being on the planet.
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The cops who killed garner should be arrested and charged with murder. Kapernick is misguided.
 
finebead said:
Colin began his protest to call attention to police use of excessive force against black people.

This was his original statement:
"I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color," Kaepernick told NFL Media in an exclusive interview after the game. "To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder."
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000691077/article/colin-kaepernick-explains-why-he-sat-during-national-anthem

Given all the attention that the protest has gotten, Colin has achieved his goal of extending the conversation on the topic. You may not agree with his method, but would any other method have ultimately generated the attention that this has brought to the issue?
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Kaepernic made himself look like a giant penis.
 
countryboy said:
If you're tired of "systemic racism", then knock it off. Get rid of the Congressional Black Caucus, and all of the other Marxist organizations you support. If you want to rid the country of systemic racism, stop supporting it. :shrug:
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:lamo
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Yes, choking an unarmed man to death you have in custody alone with 5 officers is murder, no I don't think you should just get to kill black people you don't like.





No, I do not think one dude and his study contradicts the black community's claim of injustice. It also says they're 25% more likely to:

push into wall
use handcuffs
draw weapons
push to ground
point weapon
use pepper spray or baton

That's not unsignificant.



To many of them a cop that chokes an unarmed man he has in custody to death is a hero while Kaepernick is the worst human being on the planet.
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Oh so that's all there was to it?

Garner had no pre-existing conditions or anything like that?

Garner was committing a crime, resisting arrest, not complying with the cops.

What should the cop have done?
 
Cigar said:
This Country has Problems with Black People who say No and they're not going to take it anymore.

That's ok ... instructions to follow.
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The average American isn't racist.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Yes, choking an unarmed man to death you have in custody alone with 5 officers is murder, no I don't think you should just get to kill black people you don't like.





No, I do not think one dude and his study contradicts the black community's claim of injustice and the data is only from one city. It also says they're 25% more likely to:

push into wall
use handcuffs
draw weapons
push to ground
point weapon
use pepper spray or baton

That's not unsignificant.



To many of them a cop that chokes an unarmed man he has in custody to death is a hero while Kaepernick is the worst human being on the planet.
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Who made the law that Eric Garner was breaking?
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Did I say it was "insignificant" [sic]
read my post again. the claim is killed, I proved that wrong. I also asked if the uptick could have other factors. yes or no?
The cops who killed garner should be arrested and charged with murder. Kapernick is misguided.
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You didn't prove that wrong. It's a study from one guy about ONE city. You have no idea what the data set size was, the time frames or method, yet you're already ready to declare their claims of injustice to be BS because you found this little article on the internet.

No one is saying the black community doesn't have its own issues with crime, I would argue primarily stemming from poverty, but pretending there isn't an issue in our justice system is ignoring reality and the facts.

KLATTU said:
Oh so that's all there was to it?
Garner had no pre-existing conditions or anything like that?
Garner was committing a crime, resisting arrest, not complying with the cops.
What should the cop have done?
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He could've not put his knee on his windpipe and stopped doing it when the guy screamed "I CAN'T BREATHE" over and over and over again until he died.

apdst said:
Who made the law that Eric Garner was breaking?
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Pass.
 
KLATTU said:
Oh so that's all there was to it?

Garner had no pre-existing conditions or anything like that?

Garner was committing a crime, resisting arrest, not complying with the cops.

What should the cop have done?
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Garner was selling "loosies", literally assaulted and killed for a 2 dollar cigarette. He had a record and a home address, they could have easily mailed him the $200 fine. The cops failed to employ "deescalation" tactics and opted for the poorest white belt example of a jiu jitsu choke hold..
 
RabidAlpaca said:
You didn't prove that wrong. It's a study from one guy about ONE city. You have no idea what the data set size was, the time frames or method, yet you're already ready to declare their claims of injustice to be BS because you found this little article on the internet.

No one is saying the black community doesn't have its own issues with crime, I would argue primarily stemming from poverty, but pretending there isn't an issue in our justice system is ignoring reality and the facts.
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then show me your own facts. links please.


you are still ignoring what I posted.
 
KLATTU said:
Here's my problem with the whole thing. Liberals ( white and black )don't want really to have a "conversation "about this, they just lecture.


n 2015, a police officer was 18.5 times more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male was to be killed by a police officer.

Hey let's talk about that....anybody????


Black males have made up 42 percent of all cop-killers over the last decade, though they are only 6 percent of the population.


Anybody wanna talk about that???


Nearly 900 additional blacks were killed in 2016 compared with 2015, bringing the black homicide-victim total to 7,881.

Among all homicide suspects whose race was known, white killers of blacks numbered only 243.


Let's debate, huh?
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I don't think you understand how debate works if you think those numbers somehow justify the inappropriate use of deadly force by police officers.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
You didn't prove that wrong. It's a study from one guy about ONE city. You have no idea what the data set size was, the time frames or method, yet you're already ready to declare their claims of injustice to be BS because you found this little article on the internet.
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It's trite, an article spammed by haters of BLM and such. Many hoops were jumped through, some data was excluded and it deals only with fatal shootings according to various incomplete data sets previously published. It's a stereotypical example of creating a "study" to serve a narrative. What makes it even more funny is the same people pushing the obscure "article" will claim sociology is a scam.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Let's face it, conservatives have never given one single flying **** about the plights of black Americans and nothing he could've said or done would have them take the side of a black man over a cop in any situation. If you still don't see the need for police reforms you never will.
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Lets face it, liberals have never given one single flying **** about the plight of black Americans and nothing he could've said or done would have them take the side of a cop over a black man in any situation. If you still dont see the need for community involvement and respect, you never will.
 
Nilly said:
The right wing are expert at framing conversations to suit their rhetoric.

This was never about anthems, flags or football. It was about police brutality.
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If it were real expertise, it would work on us, too.

It turns out it's pretty easy to get people to believe a lie you manufactured when it tells them what they want to hear.
 
KLATTU said:
And nobody wants to talk about why blacks commit so much more violent crime. Commit so many murders. Shoot so many more cops.

If we are going to talk about one shouldn't we talk about the other?

and do you really think black millionaires ( mostly because of white people by the way) are the best messengers for oppressed blacks?
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Private citizens are allowed to be racist in their private lives.

Police officers are not allowed to be racist in their administration of the law.

Your false equivocation is a failure.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Except the issue IS racism in our justice system, not civics. You don't have to be a helpless moron to be harassed or killed unjustly by a cop.



If you ever, under any circumstances disagree with a government policy or systemic problem, you better pack your **** and GTFO.
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Dood...at some point after you have made these completely inane arguments and been butt ****ed by the facts and yet you STILL make those completely inane arguments, we are going to have to just accept that you like it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shootings-2017/
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
then show me your own facts. links please.
you are still ignoring what I posted.
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No I didn't, I answered your question and then pointed out that the study you presented was done in one city and you are completely unaware of the testing conditions. Here is a link to the study, at the bottom of the tables of page 42 you can see: "The sample consists of all NYC stop and frisks from 2003-2013"

So this one guy compiled the NYPD's data for this time period, and found:

Page 2 - On non-lethal uses of force, blacks
and Hispanics are more than fifty percent more likely to experience some form of force in
interactions with police. Adding controls that account for important context and civilian behavior
reduces, but cannot fully explain, these disparities. On the most extreme use of force – officerinvolved
shootings – we find no racial differences in either the raw data or when contextual
factors are taken into account.
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So in NYC during this time frame, blacks were dramatically more likely to face non-lethal violence from the police, but were killed at about the same rate as whites. You take this conclusion and declare the concerns of the black community about injustice as total bull****? You typed this into Google right before you posted it and fished out the article, and it doesn't even say what you think it does.

VanceMack said:
Lets face it, liberals have never given one single flying **** about the plight of black Americans and nothing he could've said or done would have them take the side of a cop over a black man in any situation. If you still dont see the need for community involvement and respect, you never will.
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Ok.
 
KLATTU said:
Here's my problem with the whole thing. Liberals ( white and black )don't want really to have a "conversation "about this, they just lecture.


n 2015, a police officer was 18.5 times more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male was to be killed by a police officer.

Hey let's talk about that....anybody????


Black males have made up 42 percent of all cop-killers over the last decade, though they are only 6 percent of the population.


Anybody wanna talk about that???


Nearly 900 additional blacks were killed in 2016 compared with 2015, bringing the black homicide-victim total to 7,881.

Among all homicide suspects whose race was known, white killers of blacks numbered only 243.


Let's debate, huh?
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Were thsoe cops unarmed?

Not really a valid comparison if they weren't.

They were at least able and allowed to defend themselves.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
No I didn't, I answered your question and then pointed out that the study you presented was done in one city and you are completely unaware of the testing conditions. Here is a link to the study, at the bottom of the tables of page 42 you can see: "The sample consists of all NYC stop and frisks from 2003-2013"

So this one guy compiled the NYPD's data for this time period, and found:



So in NYC during this time frame, blacks were dramatically more likely to face non-lethal violence from the police, but killed at about the same rate as whites. You take this conclusion and declare the concerns of the black community about injustice as total bull****?



Ok.
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OK indeed. Black Americans have been voting as a bloc for the democrat party since the 30s. in every major city where there is a majority black American population you will find a few things...always...democrat government and misery in the black community. So your pious bull**** about conservatives not caring? Well...the facts make your comments look rather stupid. At best.
 
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