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Trump Screwed the Pooch on Health Care with LIES

ttwtt78640 said:
Nonsense. When your "actual" (subsidized?) deductible amount is based on income then where those with incomes below 134% of the FPL get their subsidy matters - whether it is included or excluded.
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What are you taking about? Medicaid enrollees aren't included in the calculation I posted.
 
Greenbeard said:
It is accurate. Those numbers are what people have to pay when they go to the doctor. The number you cited ($6,000) is actually experienced by only a minority of exchange customers.



There is no such thing as a "true deductible." A deductible is how much, under the terms of their agreement with their insurer, the enrollee has to pay out of pocket before their insurance kicks in. Some people have a $150 deductible. Pretending they "really" have a $2,000 deductible in some esoteric way is nonsensical.

And yes, every discussion of deductibles (including the one in this thread) is raised with the explicit or implicit question of whether they're high enough to impede access to care. Which is why ignoring the CSRs in this context is simply dishonest.
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Are you saying that people don't pay (via increased taxation) for the miracle of PPACA subsidies? You continue to pretend that if Joe, Fred and Jill all pay more in taxes to subsidize Sam's care then only what Sam spent (over the subsidy amount) matters. I am simply pointing out that Sam's medical care provider gets the same amount regardless of your accounting method.
 
Greenbeard said:
What are you taking about? Medicaid enrollees aren't included in the calculation I posted.
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Then that was an opportunity missed since they are a big part of the miracle of PPACA expanding "access to" medical care.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Are you saying that people don't pay (via increased taxation) for the miracle of PPACA subsidies? .
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No.

ttwtt78640 said:
Then that was an opportunity missed since they are a big part of the miracle of PPACA expanding "access to" medical care.
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We're talking about an analysis of exchange deductibles.
 
code1211 said:
Splitting hairs again. I see...
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actually no, not splitting hairs; Trump stated this as a candidate, period. Trump campaigned on a lie; actually he campaigned on many lies.

Trump just so happened to become the elected POTUS.

so, no; not splitting hairs, just stating fact ...........
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
Again, much of this year's raises to the premiums falls right in the laps of the GOP and the States who did all they could to sabotage ACA. The Insurance companies haven't a clue if ACA will be repealed, will be replaced, or if the GOP and Trump will slash the subsidies.

A couple of months ago I read that some GOP senators and some Dems were going to work together to try and fix ACA. But instead we get another GOP disaster of a Bill that is worse than any other GOP Bill and the GOP is rushing it through so even the CBO can't get a good look at it and give an opinion. So again compromise and a bipartisan fix for ACA is far on the back burner. Or in other words, **** the American people, party before country.

Trump and the GOP DESERVE the heat they are taking, they are the reason for this current mess.
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As you know, I pretty much hate the GOP myself. But the cost rise was due long before Trump and the GOP ****tards took over.
 
cuban smokes said:
actually no, not splitting hairs; Trump stated this as a candidate, period. Trump campaigned on a lie; actually he campaigned on many lies.

Trump just so happened to become the elected POTUS.

so, no; not splitting hairs, just stating fact ...........
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Trump had a flawed vision of the presidency.

he thought he would arrive in the oval office and have a bill on his desk waiting there to sign.

It was not there.

The directionless, lying, a-holes in the Republican party lied to him as well as the American people.

I would love to see Trump change his party affiliation.

Can you imagine the train wrecks at FOX and CNN as they threw their propaganda machines into reverse?

This would be high comedy and cause for outright panic among the political classes getting kicked in their political a---s.
 
RetiredUSN said:
As you know, I pretty much hate the GOP myself. But the cost rise was due long before Trump and the GOP ****tards took over.
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The cost for Healthcare and Health insurance was rising even before ACA. DC needs to shelve the partisan crap and the party before country politics and fix the Health Insurance mess.
 
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