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Trump Should Be Removed for Incompetence Regarding NK

Jesse Booth said:
Does it strike anyone else as strange that South Korea never moved their capital further away from their northern border? Not that it would do anything to make them better protected from nukes, but as someone else pointed out, they're one massed artillery strike away from being beheaded.
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Seoul and it's predecessor cities on the site, has been the capital of Korea or one of its predecessor kingdoms for a couple thousand years. Aside from that historical reason something like half the country lives there. Not really easy to pick them all up and go somewhere else.
 
GhostlyJoe said:
How do you propose to stop them? If not by establishing diplomatic ties, then threat of war is all you have. Iran WILL have nukes eventually. It's inevitable. You might as well just admit that you want war with Iran, because that's the only option our current moronic administration is willing to leave on the table.
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How do you propose to stop them? The former moronic administration simply sent them money. Nothing in return. Is that diplomacy?

We've diplomacied Iran to death for decades and the problem only gets bigger.
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
You don't understand. No one screwed anything up. The situation has always been impossible. NK can level Seoul with conventional artillery. It's not always possible to prevent a nation from having nuclear weapons. I would argue that Pakistan is one coup away from radical Islamists having nukes and that's far more dangerous than NK.

Why are we back to being America world police? NK is the "Hermit Kingdom." They just want to be left alone. Leave them alone. Eventually they will collapse.
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Cardinal said:
There is a very real possibility that millions will be killed before the end of Trump's term. This is all fantastic entertainment for Trump supporters, but the situation is very volatile and the stakes are extraordinary.

Of course, trump supporters have already long-since crafted their fallback narrative. If trump screws up and millions die, his supporters will shrug and say, "Whatabout Clinton who gave North Korea a lightweight reactor?"
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Praxas said:
And has trump made NK fix rid of their nukes? Nope in fact he has just escalated the issue.
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GhostlyJoe said:
It's clearly not a thing of the past. What do you think Trump's U.N. speech signifies? We're holding the Sword of Damocles over the world, so the calculus for countries like North Korea, Iran, and Pakistan is clear. Without nukes, they get the "assured destruction" part without the "mutual." MAD is a doctrine the world is stuck with in perpetuity -- for better for ill.
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There is one point you seem to forget when it comes to dealing with N. Korea as opposed to diplomacy with any other nation on Earth.

The United States is still at WAR with North Korea.

The Korean War has never ended; an armistice was signed which is merely an agreement to stop fighting while peace terms are being discussed.

NO PEACE HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED! That's why the 2nd Infantry Division is stationed along the DMZ. At any time either party can say the peace talks are over and the shooting war starts immediately.

So, Mr. Trump has every right to talk about N. Korea as a belligerent opposing nation, and put them on notice that if they want to start the war all over we will wipe the floor with them.

Period! :coffeepap:
 
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jimbo said:
How do you propose to stop them? The former moronic administration simply sent them money. Nothing in return. Is that diplomacy?

We've diplomacied Iran to death for decades and the problem only gets bigger.
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They negotiated a deal with using Iran's own money. Not only was it a positive step, it laid the groundwork for future negotiations. But opposition to Obama has become reflexive among U.S. conservatives. Conservative policy seems to favor war above all other options.
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
Of course it's a nuclear standoff. Trump and Jong-un are threatening to nuke each other. We may wake up one morning to news that millions have died in a nuclear exchange with North Korea and we are at war.

You know that name calling in this situation is counterproductive. You refuse to admit the obvious fact that Trump's personality is not suited for this delicate diplomatic task. Millions of lives hang in the balance.

Consider the logic:

North Korea is a dangerous unstable regime so we don't want them to have nuclear weapons.

If they're dangerous and unstable, does it make sense to personally insult their leader/god by calling him names?

Logically, if they are dangerous, unstable or crazy they could launch a nuke at Tokyo or Seoul because they feel insulted. What good can come out of trading insults? None, and you know it.
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It's not the way I would handle it, I'll give you that.

But the United States President isn't threatening to nuke anyone. We don't need nukes to rain down hellfire on NK. And if they did fire a nuke at South Korea or Japan, I'm sure we wouldn't nuke in return.
 
Captain Adverse said:
There is one point you seem to forget when it comes to dealing with N. Korea as opposed to diplomacy with any other nation on Earth.

The United States is still at war with North Korea.

The Korean War has never ended; an armistice was signed which is merely an agreement to stop fighting while peace terms are being discussed.

NO PEACE HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED! That's why the 2nd Infantry Division is stationed along the DMZ. At any time either party can say the peace talks are over and the shooting war starts immediately.

So, Mr. Trump has every right to talk about N. Korea as a belligerent opposing nation, and put them on notice that if they want to start the war all over we will wipe the floor with them.

Period! :coffeepap:
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Thanks for the completely unnecessary history lesson that in no way sheds light on the conversation.
 
Captain Adverse said:
There is one point you seem to forget when it comes to dealing with N. Korea as opposed to diplomacy with any other nation on Earth.

The United States is still at WAR with North Korea.

The Korean War has never ended; an armistice was signed which is merely an agreement to stop fighting while peace terms are being discussed.

NO PEACE HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED! That's why the 2nd Infantry Division is stationed along the DMZ. At any time either party can say the peace talks are over and the shooting war starts immediately.

So, Mr. Trump has every right to talk about N. Korea as a belligerent opposing nation, and put them on notice that if they want to start the war all over we will wipe the floor with them.

Period! :coffeepap:
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It's a semantic argument. We've been in a cease-fire for decades. On paper, we're still at war. In reality, open conflict is bad for us, our allies, and the world. Stop this nonsense!
 
MaggieD said:
It's not the way I would handle it, I'll give you that.

But the United States President isn't threatening to nuke anyone. We don't need nukes to rain down hellfire on NK. And if they did fire a nuke at South Korea or Japan, I'm sure we wouldn't nuke in return.
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WTF? We would have no choice. We can't let it get to that point.
 
Fishking said:
So administration after administration screw up on Korea to get us to the point where we are today, a radical NK with nuclear weapons, leaving Trump to deal with it yet he's the problem?
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How on earth does (your opinion of) prior incompetence make current incompetence not a problem?
 
akyron said:
You should really just skip all the words attempting to fill the void in the foundation of your position and just tell us how you really feel.
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You're deflecting like a cult member. Trump is trading insults with a madman. How will that help us get NK to the negotiating table? What purpose does it serve? What's the point of name calling a madman with nukes?

I'm making the argument that Trump is incompetent. Now your job is to defend Trump's name calling during a nuclear standoff as some kind of competent policy. Prove to me you're not a brainwashed supporter and explain to me the point of calling a madman with nukes names.
 
Cardinal said:
There is a very real possibility that millions will be killed before the end of Trump's term. This is all fantastic entertainment for Trump supporters, but the situation is very volatile and the stakes are extraordinary.

Of course, trump supporters have already long-since crafted their fallback narrative. If trump screws up and millions die, his supporters will shrug and say, "Whatabout Clinton who gave North Korea a lightweight reactor?"
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Or Obama.


There's already been some of it in the thread.
 
GhostlyJoe said:
WTF? We would have no choice. We can't let it get to that point.
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Mutual Assured Destruction is for real.

In order to completely destroy their power grids, infrastructure, military capabilities, etc., etc. we don't need nukes.

If diplomacy hasn't worked... if sanctions don't work... what do YOU suggest? The NK problem isn't new. In fact, it is where it is precisely because we let it get this far by kicking that proverbial can right on down the road. And now, at the eleventh hour, Trump got it dumped right in his lap.
 
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Jesse Booth said:
Does it strike anyone else as strange that South Korea never moved their capital further away from their northern border? Not that it would do anything to make them better protected from nukes, but as someone else pointed out, they're one massed artillery strike away from being beheaded.
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Because you can't just pack up a metropolitan area with 25,600,000 people in it. Practically half the country's population lives in and around Seoul.
 
GhostlyJoe said:
WTF? We would have no choice. We can't let it get to that point.
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Mutual Assured Destruction is for real.

In order to completely destroy their power grids, infrastructure, military capabilities, etc., etc. we don't need nukes.

If diplomacy hasn't worked... if sanctions don't work... what do YOU suggest? Nothing? We invade? We send out an assassination team and hope saner heads prevail? What??

The NK problem isn't new. In fact, it is where it is precisely because we let it get this far by kicking that proverbial can right on down the road. And now, at the eleventh hour, Trump got it dumped right in his lap.
 
Captain Adverse said:
So, Mr. Trump has every right to talk about N. Korea as a belligerent opposing nation, and put them on notice that if they want to start the war all over we will wipe the floor with them.

Period! :coffeepap:
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You're totally ignoring my argument about Trump being an incompetent president. How is name calling during a potential nuclear crisis going to help? If NK is a dangerous unstable regime with nukes, why insult their leader?

I want to see some intellectual honesty from you. There is no avoiding the reality that Trump in incompetent. Period.

Please answer my questions honestly.
 
GhostlyJoe said:
They negotiated a deal with using Iran's own money. Not only was it a positive step, it laid the groundwork for future negotiations. But opposition to Obama has become reflexive among U.S. conservatives. Conservative policy seems to favor war above all other options.
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And Iran never signed the deal but got the money anyway. We got nothing from the deal. Iran has said they will not honor the agreement. And they haven't.

The they you're talking about was Obama. Congress, who has approval rights on treaties as signed into law by Obama was left out of the deal and learned about it after the fact.
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
I know it won't happen but Congress should meet and impeach Trump for incompetence due to his childish name calling exchange while the lives of millions of people are in the balance. What's more incompetent than that? What's the point of trading insults with someone people claim is a madman?

Most Trump supporters don't understand that MILLIONS of South Korean will die in any conventional war. But here the risk of nuclear war is very real. It's not the end of the world scenario as in a war between superpowers but the entire Korean peninsula could be under a radioactive cloud.

This is not political. I would rather Trump be president than Pence. Pence would be far less likely to compromise conservative principles that I disagree with. But Pence would certainly not stoop to childish name calling!

I have no problem with Trump trying to get China to increase pressure. But I don't think anyone can justify trading insults with a madman who has nuclear weapons.

Trump needs to go. Period. Million could die.
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Oh look another worthless bait thread...
 
Lovebug said:
By that token, speaking of incompetence, Obama should have been removed as well. No, I am not changing the subject. Why? Because no potus can make everyone happy and some voters will always be disgruntled.
It is about time sore losers wait until the next elections.
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Yep. Every President right back to good old GW himself should have been impeached by the standard of "I don't like him, so I'm going to focus on one issue that I can hang my hat on to justify impeaching him."
 
GhostlyJoe said:
It's a semantic argument. We've been in a cease-fire for decades. On paper, we're still at war. In reality, open conflict is bad for us, our allies, and the world. Stop this nonsense!
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I was stationed in Korea. It is NOT a "semantic argument." It is a fact you and these other members seem to ignore.

North Korea constantly sends infiltrators south to cause damage, and takes shots at our units on the border to let us know we are still at war.

We have spent the last 60 years appeasing them and treating them with kid gloves, when they are dedicated to the conquest of S. Korea.

NOW they have nuclear capability...and are actively threatening to use them on our nation and our Asiatic allies.

YOU need to stop this nonsense.

SonOfDaedalus said:
You're totally ignoring my argument about Trump being an incompetent president. How is name calling during a potential nuclear crisis going to help? If NK is a dangerous unstable regime with nukes, why insult their leader?

I want to see some intellectual honesty from you. There is no avoiding the reality that Trump in incompetent. Period.

Please answer my questions honestly.
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I addressed your complaint about Mr. Trump's methodology of dealing with N. Korea.

I ignored your attacks on the President because I don't agree with your viewpoint and I feel no need to argue it.
 
Captain Adverse said:
I was stationed in Korea. It is NOT a "semantic argument." It is a fact you and these other members seem to ignore.

North Korea constantly sends infiltrators south to cause damage, and takes shots at our units on the border to let us know we are still at war.

We have spent the last 60 years appeasing them and treating them with kid gloves, when they are dedicated to the conquest of S. Korea.

NOW they have nuclear capability...and are actively threatening to use them on our nation and our Asiatic allies.

YOU need to stop this nonsense.
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If you know the situation as well as you think, then you know precisely why we have treated them with "kid gloves" for sixty years: because the last time we treated them with bigger gloves, China poured troops into NK until we ran away, which we did because it's simply not worth fighting it to the death with China. That's WWIII territory.
 
jimbo said:
And Iran never signed the deal but got the money anyway. We got nothing from the deal. Iran has said they will not honor the agreement. And they haven't.

The they you're talking about was Obama. Congress, who has approval rights on treaties as signed into law by Obama was left out of the deal and learned about it after the fact.
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And I suppose Trump consulted Congress before outlining -- on the world stage -- our new doctrine of threats and name-calling? Please.
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
You don't understand. No one screwed anything up. The situation has always been impossible. NK can level Seoul with conventional artillery. It's not always possible to prevent a nation from having nuclear weapons. I would argue that Pakistan is one coup away from radical Islamists having nukes and that's far more dangerous than NK.

Why are we back to being America world police? NK is the "Hermit Kingdom." They just want to be left alone. Leave them alone. Eventually they will collapse.
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What do mean "back to"?

When did that ever stop?
 
GhostlyJoe said:
And I suppose Trump consulted Congress before outlining -- on the world stage -- our new doctrine of threats and name-calling? Please.
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It's not about President Trump. But I'm not aware of President Trump signing a law requiring Congressional approval before threatening and name calling.
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
I know it won't happen but Congress should meet and impeach Trump for incompetence due to his childish name calling exchange while the lives of millions of people are in the balance. What's more incompetent than that? What's the point of trading insults with someone people claim is a madman?

Most Trump supporters don't understand that MILLIONS of South Korean will die in any conventional war. But here the risk of nuclear war is very real. It's not the end of the world scenario as in a war between superpowers but the entire Korean peninsula could be under a radioactive cloud.

This is not political. I would rather Trump be president than Pence. Pence would be far less likely to compromise conservative principles that I disagree with. But Pence would certainly not stoop to childish name calling!

I have no problem with Trump trying to get China to increase pressure. But I don't think anyone can justify trading insults with a madman who has nuclear weapons.

Trump needs to go. Period. Million could die.
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IMO the more a POTUS acts like a childish brat the more so called adults support the childish brat POTUS

Orange Cheeto is proving this concept more & more every day which only indicates that Americans are not adults but childish assholes ..............
 
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