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How cn some people be so dumb, blind, whatever!

AGENT J said:
1.) thats factually wrong lots of people right, left, center, protrump and antitrump care if a foreign country influenced our election or interfered with it.
2.) So you dont care about secure voting, false propaganda from other countries and or fake information. interesting.
3.) wow thats even a more specific definition than i was guessing you might have. (Which is a GOOD definition btw) But that makes your ooriginal claim even more false because WAY more than those loons you describe factually care about a foreign country influencing and or interfering in our elections. Im one of millions myself because its highly illogical not to care.
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1. I don't believe you. I seriously doubt any clear thinking nonTrump bashers really cares.
2. I've given up on secure voting. When people don't have to prove who they are? We aren't secure. When, as one county has done, bodies of government choose to let illegals vote? There is no secure voting. And it's not the Russians we have to worry about.
3. Care all you want. As long as we have freedom of speech in this country...as long as these people aren't in our voting booths...it doesn't make any difference. And I seriously doubt that many people care. If they did? They'd have skewered Obama in 2016 when he first learned of it. I heard...what do we call them? Crickets.
 
MaggieD said:
1. I don't believe you.
2.) I seriously doubt any clear thinking nonTrump bashers really cares.
3.). I've given up on secure voting. When people don't have to prove who they are? We aren't secure. When, as one county has done, bodies of government choose to let illegals vote? There is no secure voting. And it's not the Russians we have to worry about.
4.) Care all you want. As long as we have freedom of speech in this country...as long as these people aren't in our voting booths...it doesn't make any difference. And I seriously doubt that many people care.
5.)If they did? They'd have skewered Obama in 2016 when he first learned of it. I heard...what do we call them? Crickets.
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1.) "you" dont have to believe me lmao :shrug:
2.) thats one of the most illogical and asinine things i have read this year. I have actually never heard anybody in real life say they didnt care.
This is the only place i have ever heard people say "who cares if a foreign country influenced or interferes in our elections" its beyond absurd not to care unless you feel voting doesnt really matter. You cant logically separate the two. If voting matters you have to care if those votes are manipulated.
3.) thanks for you reason but they dont really matter i just wanted to make sure i was clear in understanding your position because it seemed so irrational i wanted to make sure i had it right. Its also telling that you keep bring up obama like he matters. it doesnt matter who is running or when it happened, i care along with many others who care about voting.
4.) i do care which proves your claim factually wrong along with millions of other americans
5.) again with this nonsensical strawman that is meaningless to your already proven wrong claim. Cant claim crickets on something that is inaccurate and doesnt even make sense.
 
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AGENT J said:
1.) "you" dont have to believe me lmao :shrug:
2.) thats one of the most illogical and asinine things i have read this year. I have actually never heard anybody in real life say they didnt care.
This is the only place i have ever heard people say "who cares if a foreign country influenced or interferes in our elections" its beyond absurd not to care unless you feel voting doesnt really matter. You cant logically separate the two. If voting matters you have to care if those votes are manipulated.
3.) thanks for you reason but they dont really matter i just wanted to make sure i was clear in understanding your position because it seemed so irrational i wanted to make sure i had it right.
4.) i do care which proves your claim factually wrong along with millions of other americans
5.) again with this nonsensical strawman that is meaningless to your already proven wrong claim. Cant claim crickets on something that is inaccurate and doesnt even make sense.
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Know what Infind? When posters resort to calling things asinine, they are frustrated by their inability to articulate their position. I've been kind by following your format of liking things numbered. Now you can sort it out yourself.

I don't have to care because I know that we don't vote online. And our voting booths aren't connected to the internet. Now I must admit to believing I'm smarter than the average bear, but nonetheless, we can hardly complain about propaganda. We use it all the time ourselves.

If this is horrid thing you seem to think it is, you must be LIVID with Obama's as he knew about it and did nothing.

As for your SECOND claim of a,strawman...

Stunning intelligence

U.S. intelligence agencies had sourcing deep inside the Russian government capturing Putin’s direct instructions.

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Covert retaliatory options

Before he left office, Obama set in motion a secret program that authorized the deployment of “implants” in Russian networks.

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‘Menu’ of responses

The White House debated dozens of options against Russia.

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Push for a probe

Secretary of State John F. Kerry proposed the creation of a bipartisan commission to investigate Russian interference.

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U.S. officials were disturbed by Moscow’s brazen harassment of American diplomats and intelligence operatives.

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As senior administration officials began deliberating on what to do about Russia, lower-level officials were kept in the dark.

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Obama and his senior aides were worried any action they took would be depicted as political interference in an already volatile campaign.

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The administration issued a series of warnings to Russia.
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Complete details here...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/grap...ssia-hacking-timeline/?utm_term=.f52a9251ff62
 
I don't think it's that people don't care as much as it is people are burnt out on it. There was so much build up about Russian interference without much proof (back before inauguration). The claims of major hacking of voting systems are false. The story was oversold without any proof.
America's short attention span took over.

Now months later when there is some grains proof society isn't that interested anymore they moved on to racist Charlottesville then hurucans back to NFL knees.
 
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independentusa said:
Polls show that 35% of American People still don't believe that the Russians tried to influence our election. I am not talking about the collusion issue, there is no positive proof either way, did or did not. What I am saying is that with all of the stuff that has been uncovered, including the Facebook ads, 35% of people still think that the Russians did nothing to attempt to influence the election. Are they dumb, blind or whatever? Sometimes I wonder if the nation has been so dumbed down that there is no hope for us.
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Liberals do it every day.
 
AGENT J said:
1.) thats factually wrong lots of people right, left, center, protrump and antitrump care if a foreign country influenced our election or interfered with it.
2.) So you dont care about secure voting, false propaganda from other countries and or fake information. interesting.
3.) wow thats even a more specific definition than i was guessing you might have. (Which is a GOOD definition btw) But that makes your ooriginal claim even more false because WAY more than those loons you describe factually care about a foreign country influencing and or interfering in our elections. Im one of millions myself because its highly illogical not to care.
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The only reason anti-Trumpers care is because Clinton lost the election.
 
independentusa said:
Polls show that 35% of American People still don't believe that the Russians tried to influence our election. I am not talking about the collusion issue, there is no positive proof either way, did or did not. What I am saying is that with all of the stuff that has been uncovered, including the Facebook ads, 35% of people still think that the Russians did nothing to attempt to influence the election. Are they dumb, blind or whatever? Sometimes I wonder if the nation has been so dumbed down that there is no hope for us.
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35% believe whatever Fox News tells them.
 
apdst said:
The only reason anti-Trumpers care is because Clinton lost the election.
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it's not the only reason but that is the #1 reason on any list they give.
 
washunut said:
Agree. We can/should care just as other countries care about OUR interference in their elections. The Voice of America has been doing this and more for the last 70 years.

Perhaps the real question to be asked why the consternation now. Is this the first time some other nation has done something like this? Doubt it. This is a pretty transparent part of the strategy that started on 11/9/016 to de-legitimize a newly elected president.
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Hillary lost. By extension the D's lost. It's not possible that they lost because of Hillary or the D's. Therefore it must be something else. That something else must be the Russians.

Perhaps the real question might be why the Russians would prefer Trump, an unpredictable loose cannon who probably can't be bought, over Hillary, who they already have. That makes no sense.
 
MaggieD said:
1.)Know what Infind? When posters resort to calling things asinine, they are frustrated by their inability to articulate their position.
2.) I've been kind by following your format of liking things numbered. Now you can sort it out yourself.
3.)I don't have to care because I know that we don't vote online. And our voting booths aren't connected to the internet. Now I must admit to believing I'm smarter than the average bear, but nonetheless
4.) we can hardly complain about propaganda. We use it all the time ourselves.
5.)If this is horrid thing you seem to think it is
6.) you must be LIVID with Obama's as he knew about it and did nothing.

As for your SECOND claim of a,strawman...



Complete details here...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/grap...ssia-hacking-timeline/?utm_term=.f52a9251ff62
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1.) well that would just make your "feelings" wrong twice because i have zero frustration over this matter because you claim is factually wrong. You are the only one that hasnt been able to support your claim.
2.) LMAO now THATS a sign of frustration
3.) when did i say you HAVE to care? You are 100% free not to care about voting thats your choice. I have no motivation to change you from such an illogical thing.
4.) that doesnt mean we cant complain about it. This country also kills people we deem threats on a legal level and in the military. That doesnt mean we cant complain if its dont to us that again is simply illogical.
5.) it factually did happen we just dont know the extent, are you now claiming you are in the minority that feel nothing happened with Russia trying to influence or interfere?
6.) why would i be "mad" at obama? I mad that its happening. are you claiming now it DID happened, he knew, he didnt do anything about it and he could of? Cant wait to read that story!
7.) for somebody that say they believe they are smarter than the average bear you know NOTHING you just posted changes the fact you posted a strawman right? Guess you dont know what that is.

You arguing that people should be mad at obama for reasons you claim is the strawman
Why?
because "I" NEVER brought up obama or being mad at ANYBODY let alone any president or claimed i would or wouldn't be mad at them.

I simply said I care (like many americans do) if a foreign country influence or interfered in our elections and the proves your claim wrong :shrug:
So here we are, your claim is wrong and you did post a strawman :shrug:
 
apdst said:
The only reason anti-Trumpers care is because Clinton lost the election.
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Going by maggies description of ant-trumpers I couldnt tell you what those loons believe.
But many other people right, left and center, protrump and nonprotrump people do care if a foreign country influenced our election or interfered with it.
 
independentusa said:
Polls show that 35% of American People still don't believe that the Russians tried to influence our election. I am not talking about the collusion issue, there is no positive proof either way, did or did not. What I am saying is that with all of the stuff that has been uncovered, including the Facebook ads, 35% of people still think that the Russians did nothing to attempt to influence the election. Are they dumb, blind or whatever? Sometimes I wonder if the nation has been so dumbed down that there is no hope for us.
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It would be helpful seeing how the question was phrased in the poll. It may go a long way in explaining it.

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independentusa said:
Polls show that 35% of American People still don't believe that the Russians tried to influence our election. I am not talking about the collusion issue, there is no positive proof either way, did or did not. What I am saying is that with all of the stuff that has been uncovered, including the Facebook ads, 35% of people still think that the Russians did nothing to attempt to influence the election. Are they dumb, blind or whatever? Sometimes I wonder if the nation has been so dumbed down that there is no hope for us.
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35% is roughly the size of Trump's base. That should explain it.
 
MaggieD said:
See, the thing is, when all is said and done, aside from any possible collusion that may or may not have happened, well, I could just go on and on... But the upshot is that nobody cares except Teump bashers.

And if that weren't the truth, when Obama found out about it during his term? These same people who bash Trump about it thought nothing about his failure. It happened on his watch. Guess where the buck stops??
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It's not just anti Trump people. It's important to people who understand the danger of a foreign, hostile government interfering with our elections.
 
MaggieD said:
We already know they didn't get into voting booths. If they used propaganda...which they probably did? Surprise! We've done that across the world. Who cares?
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We have used other nations as pawns to set up puppet governments for our own purposes. Do you seriously want a foreign government to do that to your country? If you're comfortable with having a foreign government control your president like a puppet, then the entire concept of America and why the founders even created it is completely lost on you.
 
MaggieD said:
It is unbelievable to me that our gvmt might be vulnerable to hacking. Or that the Dem Party was susceptible to hacking. It just goes to show how inefficient gvmt is. They should have the best security in the entire world.
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Cyber security is always evolving. It isn't just about the government. This kind of stuff hits private sectors and regular people too. Not caring about cyber security, not saying you don't care, but ignoring it would be a serious mistake. We all want to protect our IDs, bank accounts, and everything else hackers could potentially exploit.
 
apdst said:
The only reason anti-Trumpers care is because Clinton lost the election.
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I highly doubt it. Manafort was under investigation even before the Trump campaign. If Trump didn't win and investigators saw signs of Russian collusion, it would be un-American of them to not investigate it further.
 
AGENT J said:
1.) yes its very funny
2.) weird can you point out where i said that? or anything even remotely close to that, thanks
3.) i certainly dont that wouldn't be logical in the least bit
4.) I agree
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Never said you did, that was me talking, stating how strange I find that or perhaps not strange at all. Very normal. That may be why this world has so much problems.
 
SheWolf said:
I highly doubt it. Manafort was under investigation even before the Trump campaign. If Trump didn't win and investigators saw signs of Russian collusion, it would be un-American of them to not investigate it further.
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IMO President Hillary wouldn't of allowed any investigation into the election. That would of proven Trump right, or given his questioning the election and claims of tampering some validity. She would of spent months and months denying any tampering and calling Trump a fool for questioning it, only to admit he was in a backwards way right all along. It would of brought her win into question. The Clinton's have proven their brand is more important than any American values.
 
Chillfolks said:
IMO President Hillary wouldn't of allowed any investigation into the election. That would of proven Trump right, or given his questioning the election and claims of tampering some validity. She would of spent months and months denying any tampering and calling Trump a fool for questioning it, only to admit he was in a backwards way right all along. It would of brought her win into question. The Clinton's have proven their brand is more important than any American values.
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I don't care what Hillary would have wanted. If investigators saw some evidence of anybody colluding with a foreign, hostile government, that should be looked into. What kind of American citizen would be comfortable with foreign governments trying to control our elections, elected officials, and the direction of our country?
 
Perotista said:
1.)Never said you did, that was me talking, stating how strange I find that or perhaps not strange at all.
2.) Very normal.
3.) That may be why this world has so much problems.
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1.) oh seemed like you were, my mistake
2.) i dont think its very normal at all. I think those people are still in the minority.
I could agree with the phrase "Not uncommon" ;)
3.) THis i do agree with, it id definitely a factor
 
SheWolf said:
I don't care what Hillary would have wanted. If investigators saw some evidence of anybody colluding with a foreign, hostile government, that should be looked into.
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SHOULD BE and WOULD BE aren't the same. But I do agree with you that they should be.

What kind of American citizen would be comfortable with foreign governments trying to control our elections, elected officials, and the direction of our country?
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Sadly anyone who voted for either Trump or Clinton. All the foundation donations from foreign governments would of been collected on.
 
independentusa said:
Polls show that 35% of American People still don't believe that the Russians tried to influence our election. I am not talking about the collusion issue, there is no positive proof either way, did or did not. What I am saying is that with all of the stuff that has been uncovered, including the Facebook ads, 35% of people still think that the Russians did nothing to attempt to influence the election. Are they dumb, blind or whatever? Sometimes I wonder if the nation has been so dumbed down that there is no hope for us.
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It is not that people do not believe the Russians try to influence elections, it is that it is irrelevant. Not only do the Russians try to influence our elections, nearly every other country does as well. Their actions however are basically non consequential because the elections are basically usually always dictated by multi national corporations who spend hundreds of millions of dollars buying every single politician on both sides of the isle to insure that they keep control of the Fascist system they have created.

Even in this election where for once, the candidate who was given the benefit of all the money and all the press was not elected, it did not take long for the Military Industrial Machine to usurp control of the office and secure their hold on power.
 
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