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Surrealistik said:
I think that as a blind ideologue you're clearly no longer worth conversing with; we're done here.

You've had multiple opportunities to actually present some facts and evidence in support of your arguments and in every case, you've decided to speak in circles rather than do anything of the sort. I haven't had such a worthy addition to my ignore list in a long time.
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Same backatcha pal. I hope you can find a storage facility for all your graphs and charts.
 
Rob Larrikin said:
Same backatcha pal. I hope you can find a storage facility for all your graphs and charts.
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You might want to store them in your brain, rather than ignoring the meaning of them.
 
Winston said:
You might want to store them in your brain, rather than ignoring the meaning of them.
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Man, why u libruls always talkin' about 'dem "facts" and stuff. Ain't nobody got time for those librul graphs and stuff!
 
Winston said:
You might want to store them in your brain, rather than ignoring the meaning of them.
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TheGoverness said:
Man, why u libruls always talkin' about 'dem "facts" and stuff. Ain't nobody got time for those librul graphs and stuff!
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How many times have both of you been molested by Amway people, intent on getting you to sign up? They love to pull out their charts to ‘prove’ how you can be a multi-millionaire, and it’s all bull-crap. How may times has a sleazy door to door salesman put charts in front of you, to prove his great product’s worth? Jojoba plantation sales pitch? Charts and graphs. They like to guide your eye with a pen in their hand, to make sure you don’t miss the text as they read it out aloud. Mormons? Jehovah Witnesses? Charts and graphs. Born again Christians? All the Amway copycat pyramid sellers? More charts and graphs. Real Estate agents? Time Share con artists? Sleazy salesmen of all kinds? They just love their graphs and charts. It’s a simple way to befuddle people into buying junk. That’s why most con artists use them. It’s why the AGW con artists use them so often, and so fraudulently. It’s why Marxists and socialists love them dearly.
 
Rob Larrikin said:
How many times have both of you been molested by Amway people, intent on getting you to sign up? They love to pull out their charts to ‘prove’ how you can be a multi-millionaire, and it’s all bull-crap. How may times has a sleazy door to door salesman put charts in front of you, to prove his great product’s worth? Jojoba plantation sales pitch? Charts and graphs. They like to guide your eye with a pen in their hand, to make sure you don’t miss the text as they read it out aloud. Mormons? Jehovah Witnesses? Charts and graphs. Born again Christians? All the Amway copycat pyramid sellers? More charts and graphs. Real Estate agents? Time Share con artists? Sleazy salesmen of all kinds? They just love their graphs and charts. It’s a simple way to befuddle people into buying junk. That’s why most con artists use them. It’s why the AGW con artists use them so often, and so fraudulently. It’s why Marxists and socialists love them dearly.
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Not charts and graphs! The forerunners of evil and corruption!

Discerning people are able to filter out nonsense information from concrete facts.

You ignore concrete facts in order to fit an agenda.
 
Winston said:
Not charts and graphs! The forerunners of evil and corruption!
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Hah ha LOL! :D That's exactly what the Amway salesman said when I told him his graphs and charts were all bullcrap. And, come to think of it, so did the sleazy Jojoba plantation salesman. In fact, that's how they all respond when you expose their graphs and charts for what they are.

Think outside the box for a moment Winnie. When did you have an honest person using graphs and charts to sell you something? Honest people don't need them. They simply explain the sales pitch to you in clear terms, verbally. They don't need devices. Charlatans need many devices, because you have to be brainwashed. There are exceptions (so don't bother providing them), but I'm talking about the majority of cases here. K? Go have a cup of hot chocolate and sleep on it.
 
Rob Larrikin said:
Hah ha LOL! :D That's exactly what the Amway salesman said when I told him his graphs and charts were all bullcrap. And, come to think of it, so did the sleazy Jojoba plantation salesman. In fact, that's how they all respond when you expose their graphs and charts for what they are.

Think outside the box for a moment Winnie. When did you have an honest person using graphs and charts to sell you something? Honest people don't need them. They simply explain the sales pitch to you in clear terms, verbally. They don't need devices. Charlatans need many devices, because you have to be brainwashed. There are exceptions (so don't bother providing them), but I'm talking about the majority of cases here. K? Go have a cup of hot chocolate and sleep on it.
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Winston said:
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To understand how politicians misuse a graph like this, you have to understand about vandals vs builders and time. Otherwise you’re just setting yourself up for the con.

You have a house. You will live in the house for one week, and Joe will live it for one week.

Joe is a party animal. During his week he wrecks the place and causes all kinds of problems with neighbors, complaints, broken walls, wrecked furniture, broken windows, etc. When it’s your turn you have a week’s worth of fixing up to do, and while you’re doing it, people are coming to the door to talk to you about the parties that happened last week, and cops are charging you for those parties, and so on. When Joe comes back the house is great, as is the yard. Cops drop by to tell Joe the place looks great, and neighbors give him a thumbs up. After a couple of days he starts having parties again, and by the end of the week everything is anarchy. You arrive just in time to get all the complaints from cops, neighbors etc., and set about fixing everything. By the end of the week you finish, just in time for Joe to arrive, and so on.

A report is written up about the two of you. A graph is made. It shows that when you are in the house it is broken down, the garden is ruined, there is rubbish everywhere and the cops receive complaints from angry neighbors. By contrast, when Joe is there the house is clean, perfect, no complaints and the cops reckon he’s great.

The graph proves it.
 
Rob Larrikin said:
To understand how politicians misuse a graph like this, you have to understand about vandals vs builders and time. Otherwise you’re just setting yourself up for the con.

You have a house. You will live in the house for one week, and Joe will live it for one week.

Joe is a party animal. During his week he wrecks the place and causes all kinds of problems with neighbors, complaints, broken walls, wrecked furniture, broken windows, etc. When it’s your turn you have a week’s worth of fixing up to do, and while you’re doing it, people are coming to the door to talk to you about the parties that happened last week, and cops are charging you for those parties, and so on. When Joe comes back the house is great, as is the yard. Cops drop by to tell Joe the place looks great, and neighbors give him a thumbs up. After a couple of days he starts having parties again, and by the end of the week everything is anarchy. You arrive just in time to get all the complaints from cops, neighbors etc., and set about fixing everything. By the end of the week you finish, just in time for Joe to arrive, and so on.

A report is written up about the two of you. A graph is made. It shows that when you are in the house it is broken down, the garden is ruined, there is rubbish everywhere and the cops receive complaints from angry neighbors. By contrast, when Joe is there the house is clean, perfect, no complaints and the cops reckon he’s great.

The graph proves it.
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The higher taxed economy under Bill Clinton outperformed the lower taxed one under Ronald Reagan.
 
Winston said:
The higher taxed economy under Bill Clinton outperformed the lower taxed one under Ronald Reagan.
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Clinton had nothing to do with it.

There was the Y2K scare boosting sales and production of the computer industry.

The GDP also started increasing before he was in office and started dropping before he was out of office.
 
Lord of Planar said:
Clinton had nothing to do with it.

There was the Y2K scare boosting sales and production of the computer industry.

The GDP also started dropping before he was out of office. Not after.
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I'm not saying Clinton created booming economic times.. as much as..

a higher taxed economy didn't constrain economic activity like conservatives tell you it will.
 
Winston said:
I'm not saying Clinton created booming economic times.. as much as..

a higher taxed economy didn't constrain economic activity like conservatives tell you it will.
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There are multiple factors involved. I'll bet those years would have been more prosperous with lower taxes.

Singling out one of several variables, and assuming it to be the cause of everything is not wise.
 
Lord of Planar said:
There are multiple factors involved. I'll bet those years would have been more prosperous with lower taxes.

Singling out one of several variables, and assuming it to be the cause of everything is not wise.
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Maybe you're right. But I didn't say high taxes caused the boom.

I said they didn't prevent it.
 
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