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Republicans the racist party? Or are Democrats the racist party?

Is it possible, today, to have a conversation in America that doesn't become focused on race and, if so, would such a conversation be racist?
 
If you go by the common Dem./liberal interpretation of racism (racism only applies to protected groups), then there's a pretty low percentage of racists in this country of either political orientation. If go with a more generic and equitably applied definition that leaves out the racist division between protected and non-protected, then you're going to find far more racists among the left. This discussion comes down to how you define the term "racist". Without agreement on that critical point, this discussion is pointless.
 
apdst said:
You blanketed Southerners like ****. You got called.
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If you say so, boy, you're recounting of non specific observations presented from the perspective of an outsider sure showed me. :roll: Like I said, people choose what they want to believe. Those that buy into the magical idea that segregationists just up and changed their minds and beliefs in the course of a decade, choose to believe that for their own obvious reasons.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
When the KKK and the David Dukes of the world start endorsing Democrats, then I'll say the Dems are more racist than the GOP base. I'm not sugar coating the race issue anymore. The GOP has a racism problem, Trump proved that in 2012 with his birther BS, and he's proving it now.

The GOP and their conservative media allies are very good at dodging this issue though. When someone says David Duke is a racist(just using him as an example) , the GOP and the Con media don't defend Duke, the simply attack the person who called Duke(or whoever) a racist because they were the one who brought up race. NEVER defend. always attack. It's a great tactic and it works.
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Seriously.

It's hard to believe someone would start a thread like this after Donald Trump's campaign. How many days after he announced did the KKK endorse him? Did Trump ever really disavow the endorsements of openly racist groups?

I thought the ruse of pretending that the Southern Strategy never happened was consigned to non-serious commentators like Ann Coulter.
 
<alt>doxygen said:
Seriously.

It's hard to believe someone would start a thread like this after Donald Trump's campaign. How many days after he announced did the KKK endorse him? Did Trump ever really disavow the endorsements of openly racist groups?

I thought the ruse of pretending that the Southern Strategy never happened was consigned to non-serious commentators like Ann Coulter.
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You have to keep in mind, it's not about getting people to believe anything. When certain people lie, like Trump for example, they aren't doing it to persuade people. They are doing it to show dominance. Like a school yard bully that holds your lunchbox over your head while saying they don't have your lunchbox. As long as their actions are seen as pro-white, they'll always have a core base that eat up every narrative they put forward. Including denying very recent history as if it didn't happen at all.
 
ThoughtEx. said:
If you say so, boy, you're recounting of non specific observations presented from the perspective of an outsider sure showed me. :roll: Like I said, people choose what they want to believe. Those that buy into the magical idea that segregationists just up and changed their minds and beliefs in the course of a decade, choose to believe that for their own obvious reasons.
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You're sure as hell choosing what to believe. It illustrates ignorance to suggest that racism exists more in the South than anywhere else and even moreso to suggest that only exists in the South.
 
ThoughtEx. said:
That's kind of the point of a ghost skin...
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??? You mean the point is you can make an accusation like that and claim that the absence of proof of the charge is the proof of the charge? Its hard to believe that you don't recognize the insidious nature of what you just did--guilt by accusation and innuendo where innocence cannot be demonstrated. I suspect the Salem Witch Trials used similar tactics.
 
Kal'Stang said:
This video came up when I was listening to a video about a council member that opposed guns. Busy reading other things while listening so when that video ended it went to the next video in line. Wasn't all that interested in it but had nothing better to do and it brought up this question. Please watch the video and let me know what you think. If you don't watch the video...:shrug: Your choice.

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There are always such dichotomies within honest and complete history that don't fit the talking points or the popular historical version in present times. For instance, despite the Emancipation Proclamation, in today's political climate, Abraham Lincoln would have been excoriated, denounced, and condemned as a blatant racist. Which he was as were most in his time and culture. Which of course also begs the question: can one be racist and still be humane and do good and honorable things? And can one insist he/she is not racist and do harm in their 'goodness'? The answer to both questions of course is yes.

But then you have mostly leftists demanding removal of Civil War monuments and rejecting the founding fathers because of the racism and slavery in those times, while they embrace the Democratic Party that was the greatest defender and promoter of racism as recently as the early to mid 20th Century. And it is the party now that most promotes an institutional racism that requires black people to be seen, treated, and deferred to differently than the general population.

Whatever one thinks of Dinesh D'Souza, he is a masterful historian who insists on seeing the past as it actually was and not as what is politically expedient.

I wish we could have an true and honest national conversation on the topic, but alas the highly charged partisan polarization will not allow it. And that is doing far more harm than any residual racism at this time in history.
 
Fletch said:
??? You mean the point is you can make an accusation like that and claim that the absence of proof of the charge is the proof of the charge? Its hard to believe that you don't recognize the insidious nature of what you just did--guilt by accusation and innuendo where innocence cannot be demonstrated. I suspect the Salem Witch Trials used similar tactics.
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In certain circles the man is lauded as a hero of the cause. He's used as a the perfect example of how to live as a ghost skin. Which the whole point of a ghost skin is, present yourself in such a way no one can tie you to the cause. Accusing him is pointless, I used him as an example of what a ghost skin looks like, specifically because you can't tie him to anything. The one time someone did, it was written off as a high school joke. Ha Ha, he started a fascist club as a prank...

That's literally the whole point of ghost skins. As always believe whatever you want. I found out a long time ago, no ones interested in changing their mind, even if you have ample proof.
 
apdst said:
You're sure as hell choosing what to believe. It illustrates ignorance to suggest that racism exists more in the South than anywhere else and even moreso to suggest that only exists in the South.
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Straw man. And you're right I did choose what to believe. Which is why I'm considered a race traitor and can't go anywhere near my hometown without fear of being lynched. I fought my whole life, like actual fights, because of what I believe. I mean my brother is in witness protection, and my step-father died in prison during a race riot. But hey, I should just ignore the events of my entire life because you think the North is more racist than the south.

How bout you get hospitalized for standing between your cousins and a black kid, then you get back to me on how racist the south is.
 
ThoughtEx. said:
In certain circles the man is lauded as a hero of the cause. He's used as a the perfect example of how to live as a ghost skin. Which the whole point of a ghost skin is, present yourself in such a way no one can tie you to the cause. Accusing him is pointless, I used him as an example of what a ghost skin looks like, specifically because you can't tie him to anything. The one time someone did, it was written off as a high school joke. Ha Ha, he started a fascist club as a prank...

That's literally the whole point of ghost skins. As always believe whatever you want. I found out a long time ago, no ones interested in changing their mind, even if you have ample proof.
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But that's just the problem--you have offered no proof. What you are doing is smearing. Period.
 
AlbqOwl said:
Whatever one thinks of Dinesh D'Souza, he is a masterful historian who insists on seeing the past as it actually was and not as what is politically expedient.
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Eh, no. He produced one decent book early in his career, which was not a history, but rather a commentary. Everything since then has been, shall we say, trash?
 
Lutherf said:
Is it possible, today, to have a conversation in America that doesn't become focused on race
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It is, but you need every one in the conversation to be able to actually debate. "You're a racist!!!!!" is an argument for those who cannot debate.

and, if so, would such a conversation be racist?
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No.
 
faithful_servant said:
If you go by the common Dem./liberal interpretation of racism (racism only applies to protected groups), then there's a pretty low percentage of racists in this country of either political orientation. If go with a more generic and equitably applied definition that leaves out the racist division between protected and non-protected, then you're going to find far more racists among the left. This discussion comes down to how you define the term "racist". Without agreement on that critical point, this discussion is pointless.
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WHy is it whenever people explain what liberals think, they get it wrong, usually by making **** up, or trying to assign an extreme view few hold to all or most liberals?
 
Fletch said:
But that's just the problem--you have offered no proof. What you are doing is smearing. Period.
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No, I'm saying that even if I did, it wouldn't change your mind. If evidence affected people's opinions, we wouldn't be having this argument in this thread to begin with. Racism would have died out at the end of the civil war instead of persisting. And Trump wouldn't have been elected or even made it past the primaries. Call it a smear or whatever you want, won't change the fact Gorsuch is a ghost skin. Something just about every member of the cause accepts and believes. And have done so since he was first made Deputy US attorney in 05.
 
ThoughtEx. said:
You have to keep in mind, it's not about getting people to believe anything. When certain people lie, like Trump for example, they aren't doing it to persuade people. They are doing it to show dominance. Like a school yard bully that holds your lunchbox over your head while saying they don't have your lunchbox. As long as their actions are seen as pro-white, they'll always have a core base that eat up every narrative they put forward. Including denying very recent history as if it didn't happen at all.
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You have some good posts in this thread. Sadly this is one of those topics that quickly becomes "I know you are but what am I". People don't really want to own history. <shrug>
 
ThoughtEx. said:
Straw man. And you're right I did choose what to believe. Which is why I'm considered a race traitor and can't go anywhere near my hometown without fear of being lynched. I fought my whole life, like actual fights, because of what I believe. I mean my brother is in witness protection, and my step-father died in prison during a race riot. But hey, I should just ignore the events of my entire life because you think the North is more racist than the south.

How bout you get hospitalized for standing between your cousins and a black kid, then you get back to me on how racist the south is.
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Two words: tall tail.
 
The entire U.S. is racist. We talk about it way too much. Everyone is indictable.
 
Kobie said:
Anytime I see a video that says "Dinesh D'Souza EMBARRASSES (X)," chances are he just presented some Gish Gallop of ludicrous Strawman Arguments. He didn't disappoint here.
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Actually I found him better off than he usually is. That's the great thing about only capturing 5 minutes. It may allow you to sound more reasonable than the other 45 minutes.

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ThoughtEx. said:
No, I'm saying that even if I did, it wouldn't change your mind.
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Now you are just flat out lying. How about you come up with actual evidence before you assail someones character. Smearing seems to be the only weapon in your arsenal. Give facts a try for once.
If evidence affected people's opinions, we wouldn't be having this argument in this thread to begin with. Racism would have died out at the end of the civil war instead of persisting. And Trump wouldn't have been elected or even made it past the primaries. Call it a smear or whatever you want, won't change the fact Gorsuch is a ghost skin. Something just about every member of the cause accepts and believes. And have done so since he was first made Deputy US attorney in 05.
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Until you come up with proof about Gorsuch I am going to call your comments about him what they truly are--lies. Here is a tip for you: if people don't believe you when you speak its because you have no credibility.
 
Fiddytree said:
Eh, no. He produced one decent book early in his career, which was not a history, but rather a commentary. Everything since then has been, shall we say, trash?
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I take it that you have read that 'trash' in order to issue your book reviews?
 
Redress said:
And so we continue to play the "you are racist", "no you are" game...Sometimes I am absolutely embarrassed at the stupidity that so many modern Americans think is political debate...
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This feels more like "My side has Nazis and KKK, so I'm feeling insecure, so let's deflect and point the finger at the other guys" to me.

True story: every demographic is made up of some combination of angels, assholes, and the in between. Do your best to control your assholes, I'll do my best to control mine. Just don't stop calling them assholes because they're on your side.
 
OlNate said:
This feels more like "My side has Nazis and KKK, so I'm feeling insecure, so let's deflect and point the finger at the other guys" to me.

True story: every demographic is made up of some combination of angels, assholes, and the in between. Do your best to control your assholes, I'll do my best to control mine. Just don't stop calling them assholes because they're on your side.
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Both sides have bad people. When you only notice those on the other side, that is a problem too.
 
Kal'Stang said:
This video came up when I was listening to a video about a council member that opposed guns. Busy reading other things while listening so when that video ended it went to the next video in line. Wasn't all that interested in it but had nothing better to do and it brought up this question. Please watch the video and let me know what you think. If you don't watch the video...:shrug: Your choice.

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Ill watch the video when i can but in general NEITHER "party" is the party of racists, its just absurd. ANd nothing in the video will change that fact but I will watch when i can.

now with that said, if you find 100 racists and you ask them which party they are, the higher percentage of them will be republicans.

But does that really mean? NOTHING

since theres millions of republicans NOT racist and want nothing to do with racism and despise it why does it really matter? it doesnt mean a thing besides what the stat is likely to say.
its been an on going joke my whole life "republicans aren't racists but if you are racists you are probably a republican"
but again even if true that should NEVER make anybody judge the whole group especially when we know for a fact that millions arent. That would just be stupid.

i bet theres other stats a person could find too (these are made up)
more white males are child molesters than any other demo
more Asians are rapists than any other demo

what would that mean if those states were real? ALL white males are child molesters? NOPE, ALL Asians are rapists? nope
its pretty meaningless, the problem is SOME people claim a stat means whatever they want it to mean but it simply doesn't.
 
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