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Arrested for being a muslim...

Well here is where something is fishy Maggie.

WHY were the parents or one parent NOT ALLOWED TO LEAVE. You bring in a check to deposit.. the bank freaks out.. and suddenly YOU ARE HELD.

Now.. that's being arrested. If you are not free to leave.. then you are being arrested. there should have been no reason to call the school because one if not both of the parents should have been allowed to leave..while the bank sorted it out.

the police could have taken the information, etc.. to follow up investigate if something came up wrong. But with no actual EVIDENCE of wrong doing? Why were these people held? and they must have been held against their will because otherwise no reason to inform the school

There is a difference between being arrested and detained.
 
Good questions and more reasons not to assume them being Muslims played a role whatsoever

I think it did. A Muslim who just moved to the state a week or two ago, with a $150,000 deposit is going to raise a red flag. Anything over $10k sets off an alarm. It's the precautions we are forced to take because of the actions of others.
 
IF the check couldn't be verified, it would be a common procedure to contact authorities, especially for that amount. That is what it is in these days. And yes, if it is someone from the ME, they will have added interest. Blame the terrorists for everyone being suspicious and profiling. If large amounts of money have not been funneled to groups in the ME from the US, this wouldn't be necessary. Tough. They made it the new norm.

I was held up in the bank when I sold my house, while they verified everything. And that was a local bank and could be verified. I understood why. This is not a local check and probably not a local company, but a different state.

In addition, they weren't arrested, but held until the check was verified. The police were going by what the bank reported until they could prove otherwise.

If my bank thought the check was a forgery because it couldn't be verified, the police would have been called as well.

But you aren't a political weapon to castigate evil white America, so no would care see...
 
I think it did. A Muslim who just moved to the state a week or two ago, with a $150,000 deposit is going to raise a red flag. Anything over $10k sets off an alarm. It's the precautions we are forced to take because of the actions of others.

One it's 10K cash that triggers the flags checks not so much because they leave an easier traceable path.

Two if the family was white no news outlet would carry the story. In my time as a teller I saw a handful of people detained questioned, but never covered by local news.

their treatment is not normal but it's also not unprecedented.
 
One it's 10K cash that triggers the flags checks not so much because they leave an easier traceable path.

Two if the family was white no news outlet would carry the story. In my time as a teller I saw a handful of people detained questioned, but never covered by local news.

their treatment is not normal but it's also not unprecedented.

So then it's the NEWS that's making it about being Muslim.
 
I deal with financial transactions of that size fairly often and on numerous occasions I have had to wait while things were confirmed plus putting up with a lot of invasive questioning due to KYC (Know Your Customer) requiremenrts and laws. But I've never had the cops called on me for it.

Definitely feel like there is more to this story.
 
There is a difference between being arrested and detained.

Yeah no. Not really legally. Not if you are a us citizen. If you are not free to leave.. all the rights
of someone being arrested apply.

now.. if you are free to go.. (which is a ploy police use to get around not stating your Miranda rights).. then your rights aren;t necessarily in place.

Police detain people and bring them in for questioning.. and interrogate them and never have to be given a reading of their rights because they will state in court the person was free to go and was not under arrest.

However, the minute you try to leave.. the police either have to put you under arrest and mirandize you.. or you are free to go.
 
Were you arrested?

Nope.

Now in another instance.. I have had a police officer attempt to illegally detain me. The old "stay here and answer these questions" Blocking off the exit to the building..Putting their hand on their weapons the usual intimidation. I said.. "sorry officers but I am late for an engagement" and put them in a position where they either had to arrest me.. or let me go. They chose to let me go. I would bet dollars to donuts though in that situation.. if I had been black.. I would have been arrested. .
 
So then it's the NEWS that's making it about being Muslim.


No it is Mr. Ali who is making it about being Muslim. The News is running with that because they really don't care about truth it's about headlines getting viewers to sell advertising dollars. This gets to be a big draw story for a week. By the time the truth comes out the public will have moved on to the New outrage of the day forgetting all about the story.
 
No it is Mr. Ali who is making it about being Muslim. The News is running with that because they really don't care about truth it's about headlines getting viewers to sell advertising dollars. This gets to be a big draw story for a week. By the time the truth comes out the public will have moved on to the New outrage of the day forgetting all about the story.

Hmmm.. how do you know? Do you somehow have access to the reasons that the police decided to tell the school that mommy and daddy would not be making it home..
 
Hmmm.. how do you know? Do you somehow have access to the reasons that the police decided to tell the school that mommy and daddy would not be making it home..

I know Ali is making this about him being Muslim because I at least skimmed over the article in the OP that says:

Ali claims he was a victim of racial profiling.
 
I know Ali is making this about him being Muslim because I at least skimmed over the article in the OP that says:

And how do you know he wasn't?
 
And how do you know he wasn't?
Because the all powerful OZ told me.

I haven't seen anything besides him claiming it happened because of religion.

Lots of questions need answering
 
Glad to hear.

Now in another instance.. I have had a police officer attempt to illegally detain me. The old "stay here and answer these questions" Blocking off the exit to the building..Putting their hand on their weapons the usual intimidation. I said.. "sorry officers but I am late for an engagement" and put them in a position where they either had to arrest me.. or let me go. They chose to let me go. I would bet dollars to donuts though in that situation.. if I had been black.. I would have been arrested. .
Good for you for standing your ground. The most unfortunate thing is that not all of us are in such positions and have the presence of mind when we can succeed. I am glad you did, I know I can, but still in light of so many instances where incompetence. lack of proper training, plain stupidity etc, by the police have resulted in people being executed, best blanket advice is to cooperate, there may be a large pay day at the end of the story.
 
Yeah no. Not really legally. Not if you are a us citizen. If you are not free to leave.. all the rights
of someone being arrested apply.

now.. if you are free to go.. (which is a ploy police use to get around not stating your Miranda rights).. then your rights aren;t necessarily in place.

Police detain people and bring them in for questioning.. and interrogate them and never have to be given a reading of their rights because they will state in court the person was free to go and was not under arrest.

However, the minute you try to leave.. the police either have to put you under arrest and mirandize you.. or you are free to go.

So you see the difference.
 
Nope.

Now in another instance.. I have had a police officer attempt to illegally detain me. The old "stay here and answer these questions" Blocking off the exit to the building..Putting their hand on their weapons the usual intimidation. I said.. "sorry officers but I am late for an engagement" and put them in a position where they either had to arrest me.. or let me go. They chose to let me go. I would bet dollars to donuts though in that situation.. if I had been black.. I would have been arrested. .

Depends on the situation on whether they can detain you without arresting or not. There are instances where you may be detained, not allowed to leave, without being arrested. Probable cause and in the course of an investigation comes to mind.
 
The whole thing just seems incredibly backward based on my experiences with how our banks work.

When you deposit a cheque into your account here, you don't get arrested if they can't verify the authenticity. That's beyond ridiculous.

Cheques are deposited into your account and a hold is placed on them, usually 4 or 7 days until they are cleared. When cleared, the funds are available. IF there is a money laundering/other criminal issue that then comes to light, the authorities are notified and its investigated further.

I could be wrong by I think (not sure) it's policy or law that banks contact law enforcement if a person not known by the bank attempts to deposit X amount (I can't remember the amount) in cash. I think it goes back to the crack cocaine wars.

I think car dealerships in the United States are required to do the same if you try and buy a car with say... $50,000 in cash.

Not sure about the depositing checks for huge amounts at a bank though. Certainly if you're a well known wealthy person or deposit that kind of money at your bank you're not going to continually go through this kind of thing.
 
Actually the circumstances are very simple. Incompetence and bigotry, it is as simple a s that. Come on people, this was not a personal check torn out of someone's checkbook on the far side of the moon and if police detectives have better resources than a bank in this matter that bank should not be in business.

Check scams are pretty frequent in some cities though. Even producing fake checks from the city government you live in. I personally knew a black gang member, adult, that was involved in insurance frauds (burning down buildings) and checks scams, but usually have a connect at a check cashing business and not a bank. If I recall correctly he was one of the people that had produced fake checks from the City of Milwaukee and were cashing a bunch of them until he received about $100,000.

In fact, he had so much money he paid my brother to help him count his money from his check scams. Eventually he was caught and did a short bit in prison.

But he was just 1 among a whole lot of hustlers in Milwaukee producing fake checks and fake money orders and getting them cashed.

If it happens in Milwaukee I imagine it happens in most other cities too.



Of course, there could be an element of racial/ethnic profiling here (no one would know you are Muslim unless there was some visual or verbal indication like your wife wearing a headscarf, possibly). Whether right or wrong a fair number of Muslim Palestinians in cities, operating corner stores, were (if they no longer are) funneling millions back to terrorist outfits in the Middle East. Only way I know this is my father is a retired Federal Agent and they investigated a number of them locally, and the Feds were aware where the money was going. That was all before 9-11 too.
 
Depends on the situation on whether they can detain you without arresting or not. There are instances where you may be detained, not allowed to leave, without being arrested. Probable cause and in the course of an investigation comes to mind.

not really. there may be some provisions in the Patriot Act. that allow it even for citizens.. but a lot of that has already been challenged.

If the police attempt to detain you.. if you try to leave.. they either have to arrest you or allow you to leave..

They don't generally get to violate the constitution. Now if martial law has been declared etc? Maybe.
 
I knew they had tomreport it tonthe gvmt. They actually called the cops?

Yep.. they had a police officer arrive and take my information (ID where I lived etc) , where I got the money.. etc.

Now.. I just make sure I only have 9,500 in cash to deposit.
 
I could be wrong by I think (not sure) it's policy or law that banks contact law enforcement if a person not known by the bank attempts to deposit X amount (I can't remember the amount) in cash. I think it goes back to the crack cocaine wars.

I think car dealerships in the United States are required to do the same if you try and buy a car with say... $50,000 in cash.

Not sure about the depositing checks for huge amounts at a bank though. Certainly if you're a well known wealthy person or deposit that kind of money at your bank you're not going to continually go through this kind of thing.

I had a jet boat dealership.. give me another 1,000 dollars off the price of the Jet Boat.. so I would NOT pay for the Jet boat in cash.

I had gone to settle up.. and pulled up stacks of money.. and the fellow went "oh crap.. you are going to pay in cash".

They so did not want to handle a cash sale of that amount.. and I did not have a checkbook on me.. that they offered me 1000 to put it on my credit card. or finance it through them for a week.
 
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