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Russia Stole U.S. Presidency, Pro-Kremlin Politician Claims on Live TV

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Russia Stole U.S. Presidency, Pro-Kremlin Politician Claims on Live TV

By Tom Porter
September 12, 2017

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Vyacheslav Nikonov - media commentator and member of the Russian State Duma on the Russia 1 television channel.

A Russian politician claimed on TV that Russian intelligence “stole” the U.S. presidential election under the nose of U.S. intelligence. Vyacheslav Nikonov, a member of Russia’s lower house of parliament, the Duma, appeared Sunday night on a show hosted by presenter Vladimir Solovyov that focused on whether U.S. global influence was in decline. “U.S. intelligence missed it when Russian intelligence stole the president of the United States," said Nikonov, before going on to extol the superior ability of Russian versus U.S. intelligence. The comments were highlighted by Julia Davis, who runs the “Russian Lies” blog, which claims to “combat Russian propaganda.”

University of Virginia professor Allen Lynch, an expert on Russian foreign policy, explained that Nikonov was not so much explaining Russia's influence during the U.S. election as discussing how the chaos of the fallout was emblematic of U.S. decline. “His point in making the remark was that if the U.S. can’t protect the integrity of its own electoral system, then how powerful can it really be?” wrote Lynch in an email to the outlet. A member of President Vladimir Putin’s United Russia party, Nikonov is the grandson of Stalin’s foreign minister, Vyacheslav Molotov, and is regarded as an expert on the GOP and U.S. politics.
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I regrettably agree with the thesis put forth by Nikonov ... if the United States cannot safeguard its own electoral process, then US power/fortitude is in undeniable decline. For the life of me, I simply don't understand why Donald Trump cannot [or refuses to] grasp this simple yet profound truism. Without a significant price to pay, the Kremlin will certainly ramp up its US election meddling in 2018/2020. Why not continue to meddle if there is no downside whatsoever?
 
I was not aware that the DNC server is part of the US electoral system. Which US government agency is able to access, control or monitor its content? If we have ceded part of the US electoral system to the DNC then I want it back ASAP.
 
Rogue Valley said:
if the United States cannot safeguard its own electoral process, then US power/fortitude is in undeniable decline.
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In what way was the electoral process compromised? Be specific.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Russia Stole U.S. Presidency, Pro-Kremlin Politician Claims on Live TV



I regrettably agree with the thesis put forth by Nikonov ... if the United States cannot safeguard its own electoral process, then US power/fortitude is in undeniable decline. For the life of me, I simply don't understand why Donald Trump cannot [or refuses to] grasp this simple yet profound truism. Without a significant price to pay, the Kremlin will certainly ramp up its US election meddling in 2018/2020. Why not continue to meddle if there is no downside whatsoever?
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there are all well know facts, whats funny here, that's Muscovites thugs have never hided it, but western "useful idiots" (Putler-Koba-Lenins) simply dont want to believe , even today LOL
 
ttwtt78640 said:
I was not aware that the DNC server is part of the US electoral system. Which US government agency is able to access, control or monitor its content? If we have ceded part of the US electoral system to the DNC then I want it back ASAP.
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I believe the reference is to the disinformation operations (RT/Sputnik/TASS/Facebook/trolls/ etc) conducted by the Kremlin during the 2016 presidential campaign.
 
Rogue Valley said:
I believe the reference is to the disinformation operations (RT/Sputnik/TASS/Facebook/trolls/ etc) conducted by the Kremlin during the 2016 presidential campaign.
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That isn't compromising the electoral process. A compromise of the electoral process would be manipulating actual voting. Nothing like that happened, period. That's not in the same universe.

At best, they ran a propaganda campaign. There's no way to "safeguard" against that consistent with the First Amendment.

I submit to you that confidence in the electoral system is far more compromised by doing what you're doing -- sowing distrust in the system itself -- than anything they did, and that you yourself are doing exactly what they'd hope you'd do. That means it's you who's part of the very problem you're trying to warn against. And for what you're worried about -- disinformation -- what's your solution? Abridge freedom of speech? Undo the very fabric on which the country is founded?

Not that releasing the DNC e-mails was even "disinformation." It was true. So, on top of everything else, you seem to think dissemination of truth is a threat.
 
Rogue Valley said:
I believe the reference is to the disinformation operations (RT/Sputnik/TASS/Facebook/trolls/ etc) conducted by the Kremlin during the 2016 presidential campaign.
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You can believe what you want to but this:

Multiple U.S. intelligence agencies have accused Russia of hacking Democratic National Committee emails during the 2016 presidential election, as part of a covert campaign to help secure the election of Donald Trump.
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is what I was addressing from your link.
 
Will someone on the left please explain to me why Russia would prefer Hawkish DT to "here's a reset button" Pillary.
And, let's throw a little fuel on the fire. Why did the DNC (Donna Brazil, Debbie What's her face, et al) push Hillary over Bernie?
The only person to blame for Hillary losing is the pompous Hillary.
Get over it.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Russia Stole U.S. Presidency, Pro-Kremlin Politician Claims on Live TV



I regrettably agree with the thesis put forth by Nikonov ... if the United States cannot safeguard its own electoral process, then US power/fortitude is in undeniable decline. For the life of me, I simply don't understand why Donald Trump cannot [or refuses to] grasp this simple yet profound truism. Without a significant price to pay, the Kremlin will certainly ramp up its US election meddling in 2018/2020. Why not continue to meddle if there is no downside whatsoever?
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Well if it happened, it happened under that watchful eye of the Obama Administration.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
You can believe what you want to but this: is what I was addressing from your link.
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And you can believe what you want, but a Russian Duma personality would never admit on Russian TV that the Kremlin hacked the DNC.

Nikonov never mentioned the DNC. He simply stated that Russian intelligence bested US intelligence during the 2016 presidential election and Russia 'influenced/stole' the election.

The unclassified version of the US intelligence report (CIA/NSA/FBI) delved into far more Russian meddling than the DNC hack. We're just now learning about the Russian Facebook operation.
 
SSGT Bags said:
Will someone on the left please explain to me why Russia would prefer Hawkish DT....
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:2bow:

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:elephantf:usflag2:

Republicans and Russia share the same goals, destroying the nation, "the loser one!"
 
Rogue Valley said:
And you can believe what you want, but a Russian Duma personality would never admit on Russian TV that the Kremlin hacked the DNC.

Nikonov never mentioned the DNC. He simply stated that Russian intelligence bested US intelligence during the 2016 presidential election and Russia 'influenced/stole' the election.

The unclassified version of the US intelligence report (CIA/NSA/FBI) delved into far more Russian meddling than the DNC hack. We're just now learning about the Russian Facebook operation.
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OK, how is Facebook part of the US electoral process and what can be done about it?
 
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