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Michigan Farmer Prohibited From Selling Apples Because He Opposes Same Sex Marriage

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Yeah, standard for your kind. It's all about basketball, right? We're done.

My kind, like my race? Or the fact I'm a Notre Dame fan?
 
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A farmer's market with a religious belief test. He can't sell apples because crimethink. They were more tolerant of religious belief even back in the old Soviet Union. Even Genghis Khan was more tolerant of religious belief.

This IMHO is a pretty clear cut violation of the Marine's civil rights. Perhaps it could be raised to the level of criminal violation.

Jacques: Farmer gets the boot over beliefs

We have become a very sadistic and intolerant people.

WE USED TO BE BETTER
 
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I quoted him mentioning basketball.

But...no one ever mentions hockey, but they should, because it rules!

Hockey is Canadian, it's for weirdos and draft dodgers.
 
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Did you even read what I posted?



While at the market AND as a general business practice, all the vendors have to comply with the ordinances. So the farmers market policy clearly states the vendors needs to follow it not only at the market but in their general practice.

:bunny:

Having the "wrong" ideas in your head/advocating for laws that are not wanted and violating peoples civil rights are two very different things....there is no right to scrub the environment clean of ideas that are not liked.
 
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Yeah, standard for your kind. It's all about basketball, right? We're done.

Uh-oh. What exactly do you mean by "your kind"?
 
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We have become a very sadistic and intolerant people.

WE USED TO BE BETTER

When?

What decade in the US was better for ALL Americans
 
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So to be clear this isn't because of a religious facebook post, it's about their company's refusal to perform same sex weddings. This is not about not selling apples because of simply opposing same sex marriage.

https://www.cityofeastlansing.com/civicalerts.aspx?aid=577

The remedy for a refusal to honor same sex marriages is a law suit. It isn't denying the farmer one of his methods for making a living.
 
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Having the "wrong" ideas in your head/advocating for laws that are not wanted and violating peoples civil rights are two very different things....there is no right to scrub the environment clean of ideas that are not liked.

Take it up with the City of East Lansing's city council. :shrug:
 
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The remedy for a refusal to honor same sex marriages is a law suit. It isn't denying the farmer one of his methods for making a living.

Like I said in the post above, they need to take that up with the city then.... which is what they did. ;)
 
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Uh-oh. What exactly do you mean by "your kind"?

I'll answer that if you answer my question first. I already asked you what exactly did the farmer say that was bigoted? You haven't answered.
 
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Take it up with the City of East Lansing's city council. :shrug:

Hopefully the courts will be given an opportunity to do the right thing.

Not that I would count on it or anything.
 
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Yeah, standard for your kind. It's all about basketball, right? We're done.

What do you mean by "Your Kind"?

#FightingIrishLivesMatter
 
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I'll answer that if you answer my question first. I already asked you what exactly did the farmer say that was bigoted? You haven't answered.

No, you asked CMPancake about that, not Governess.

Also, what does any of this have to do with the thread other than needlessly inflate the number of pages? Seriously, this sort of obtuse argument style is annoying.
 
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No, you asked CMPancake about that, not Governess.

Post #20.
 
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We have become a very sadistic and intolerant people.

WE USED TO BE BETTER

"Civil rights laws are sadistic."

Modern right-wingers.

Edit: Wait, you probably think he actually was banned because of the facebook post. Go learn why he was actually banned and then comment again.
 
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What exactly did he say? The world doesn't revolve around gay people? He's right you know, it doesn't.

No, he said he wasn't going to treat gay people as equals because he is a bigot using religion as an excuse.

To be frank, Jesus would be pretty pissed at how those filled with hatred use his teachings.
 
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No, he said he wasn't going to treat gay people as equals because he is a bigot using religion as an excuse.

To be frank, Jesus would be pretty pissed at how those filled with hatred use his teachings.

Jesus was a really calm dude, he didn't ever get mad in public, did he?
 
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I'll answer that if you answer my question first. I already asked you what exactly did the farmer say that was bigoted? You haven't answered.

Denying hosting to same is bigoted, IMO. And it's masked under the guise of religion. Now, with that being said, I don't really agree with them being banned from the farmer's market.

Now then: are you gonna answer, or are you gonna play 50 Questions with me?
 
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Hopefully the courts will be given an opportunity to do the right thing.

Not that I would count on it or anything.

The right thing by ignoring the law?
 
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Jesus was a really calm dude, he didn't ever get mad in public, did he?

He also didn't hate gays or accuse a certain kind of people of only being interested in basketball.
 
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Jesus was a really calm dude, he didn't ever get mad in public, did he?

He did. Several times, actually.
 
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Like I said in the post above, they need to take that up with the city then.... which is what they did. ;)

Yeah, and then it will likely be upheld because that's kind of where we sit with all this at the moment.

Still I believe it to be wrong. I don't think you can use the government in this case as sort of punishment against those who don't fall in line with the proper group think. While I don't agree with this man at all, I cannot abide this sort of white washing of thought/opinion we have going on.

If it's consumer pressure, then that's one thing. But I cannot see the use of government force in this case, particularly because it's relatively unrelated. He rents out an orchard for weddings. People do not have right to that orchard, and if he doesn't want to rent it out to same-sex marriage ceremonies, that should be his right. Does that mean then that the government has every right and mean to infringe upon nominal business? I'm not so sure it does.

As I said before, since it is a public event, they can demand conformance DURING the event. But other than that, his property.
 
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OK, still don't agree with it, but that is a bit more clear than what the OP would have had us believe.

It's kinda funny how a local community got sick and tired of one farmer's bigotry (not religious belief. His bigoted views towards homosexuals) and now the farmer can't help but not like it when the community discriminates against him.

Plenty of people are religious without going out of their way to be bigoted like this man has.

You can be both religious and bigoted. Which is exactly what that man is.

I am a strong supporter of gay rights as is (hopefully) well demonstrated in prior stands in this Forum. However...

At issue is an unconstitutional, unlawful, and complex “sexual orientation” policy that city officials adopted specifically to shut out Steve Tennes and Country Mill Farms—his family’s fruit orchard—purely because he posted on Facebook his belief in biblical marriage. The city did this even though Tennes, his family, and the orchard are in Charlotte, 22 miles from East Lansing, well outside the city’s boundaries and beyond its jurisdiction.
Farmer wants to sell food to all people, but East Lansing won?t let him

His orchard is 22 miles outside city limits. It is an Apple orchard, and he sells his apples to anyone who wants to buy them, either there or at the farmer's market in Lansing.

Meanwhile, he also has a wedding business conducted entirely on his property outside city limits. He has a right under the First Amendment to discriminate on the basis of his religion in the religious act of performing, or allowing to be performed, unions against the tenet's of his religious beliefs.

Now, I have not had a chance to read his Facebook posts, and people who have read it, if they find it offensive or not in keeping with their views have a right to refuse to shop for his goods.

But the city ordinance is wrong, since he has never discriminated against any class (protected or otherwise) in the secular sale of his produce; and I support the ADF suit on the farmer's behalf.
 
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