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DACA is not the problem-it's our political establishment.

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Children from Mexico who came here illegally many years ago are not our biggest problem. No one blames them; they’re just pawns in the game. When you make a deal with the Devil you have to give something up. Our people did not make the deal; our leadership did. But it’s our people and our way of life that are being given up. DACA is a manufactured humanitarian crisis that never should have happened but it is part of the deal.

Mexico is probably the most corrupt country on Earth and it has been almost since its inception. Unfortunately it shares a large border with the United States. Mexico has been practicing de facto chemical warfare against the US for generations by producing and funneling illegal drugs into our communities and preying on our children. But our political establishment has bigger fish to fry so your opioid-addicted children are apparently considered expendable for the greater good of enriching the status quo of globalization.

Due to its iniquitous class system Mexico’s marginalized citizens lead a hopeless existence and seeing no other option violate our immigration laws. Mexico is the North Korea of the western world but it has struck a deal with the political establishment of the US to allow its desperate, disenfranchised lower classes to overrun our borders. The only difference between the border policies of North Korea and Mexico is that North Korea uses its borders to keep its lower classes in because China has no such deal with it to allow illegal immigration.

The most valuable possession American citizens have is their way of life and up until the US political establishment beginning in earnest with NAFTA, decided to sell out its own people, immigration policies and border laws were strictly enforced to protect that way of life. But greed is a powerful motivator and the fear of missing out on the globalist party has driven our leaders to make decisions that benefit themselves at our expense.

Stagnated wages, the disappearance of workplace benefits, the vanishing advantages of a college education, home ownership levels the lowest in fifty years, half the US population on some form of welfare-the Devil is getting his due. It’s not Mexican kids that stabbed us in the back, it’s our own leadership.

End DACA-we can’t afford to absorb Mexico’s poverty. Let them stay. It’s our political establishment we need to get rid of.
 
Personally, to me, it goes beyond politics, it's basic humanity.

When look at a individual and not see a Human Being, but see, "they", "them" or "those people" then you don't see a Human Being. You see garbage that can be thrown away, dis guarded and eliminated. Unfortunately Americans were neither the first or the last country to think this way. But don't blame the politics, or the politicians, it's the people who are the politicians who make up the politics.

Like I said yesterday, God is watching and Judgement Day comes to everyone ... even "they", "them" or "those people" along with everyone else. Maybe the end won;t come as a Big Flood, but many Small ones.
 
Ray9 said:
Children from Mexico who came here illegally many years ago are not our biggest problem. No one blames them; they’re just pawns in the game. When you make a deal with the Devil you have to give something up. Our people did not make the deal; our leadership did. But it’s our people and our way of life that are being given up. DACA is a manufactured humanitarian crisis that never should have happened but it is part of the deal.

Mexico is probably the most corrupt country on Earth and it has been almost since its inception. Unfortunately it shares a large border with the United States. Mexico has been practicing de facto chemical warfare against the US for generations by producing and funneling illegal drugs into our communities and preying on our children. But our political establishment has bigger fish to fry so your opioid-addicted children are apparently considered expendable for the greater good of enriching the status quo of globalization.

Due to its iniquitous class system Mexico’s marginalized citizens lead a hopeless existence and seeing no other option violate our immigration laws. Mexico is the North Korea of the western world but it has struck a deal with the political establishment of the US to allow its desperate, disenfranchised lower classes to overrun our borders. The only difference between the border policies of North Korea and Mexico is that North Korea uses its borders to keep its lower classes in because China has no such deal with it to allow illegal immigration.

The most valuable possession American citizens have is their way of life and up until the US political establishment beginning in earnest with NAFTA, decided to sell out its own people, immigration policies and border laws were strictly enforced to protect that way of life. But greed is a powerful motivator and the fear of missing out on the globalist party has driven our leaders to make decisions that benefit themselves at our expense.

Stagnated wages, the disappearance of workplace benefits, the vanishing advantages of a college education, home ownership levels the lowest in fifty years, half the US population on some form of welfare-the Devil is getting his due. It’s not Mexican kids that stabbed us in the back, it’s our own leadership.

End DACA-we can’t afford to absorb Mexico’s poverty. Let them stay. It’s our political establishment we need to get rid of.
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I disagree about the drugs. We as a society are falling down on that and have been harming third party countries by feeding the criminals in those countries.
 
Cigar said:
Personally, to me, it goes beyond politics, it's basic humanity.

When look at a individual and not see a Human Being, but see, "they", "them" or "those people" then you don't see a Human Being. You see garbage that can be thrown away, dis guarded and eliminated. Unfortunately Americans were neither the first or the last country to think this way. But don't blame the politics, or the politicians, it's the people who are the politicians who make up the politics.

Like I said yesterday, God is watching and Judgement Day comes to everyone ... even "they", "them" or "those people" along with everyone else. Maybe the end won;t come as a Big Flood, but many Small ones.
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If it's basic humanity you want to argue, you cannot build a consistent argument as long as we let millions of kids starve in absolute poverty. These kids would not be that badly off.
 
Timely:
If America's government were functioning properly, the Trump administration deciding to discontinue the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrival (DACA) program started by President Obama in June 2012 (over the strenuous objection of Republicans in Congress) would be no big deal. After all, DACA is very popular. So in a functional government, Congress would just step in and pass a bill that reflected public opinion on the issue, and President Trump would likely be forced to sign it.

But Congress is unlikely to do any such thing — because America's representative institutions are horribly broken.
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Why Congress won't save DACA

I also point out that there is a gathering consensus that what is wrong with the economy is born from Broken Washington.

RE DACA: I am on record as 90% confident that the elite class will overrule Trump, either in Congress or from the courts, which way it goes IDK.
 
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Cigar said:
Personally, to me, it goes beyond politics, it's basic humanity.

When look at a individual and not see a Human Being, but see, "they", "them" or "those people" then you don't see a Human Being. You see garbage that can be thrown away, dis guarded and eliminated. Unfortunately Americans were neither the first or the last country to think this way. But don't blame the politics, or the politicians, it's the people who are the politicians who make up the politics.

Like I said yesterday, God is watching and Judgement Day comes to everyone ... even "they", "them" or "those people" along with everyone else. Maybe the end won;t come as a Big Flood, but many Small ones.
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When you see a Trump Supporter what do you see?

Who's fault is that?
 
Ray9 said:
Children from Mexico who came here illegally many years ago are not our biggest problem. No one blames them; they’re just pawns in the game. When you make a deal with the Devil you have to give something up. Our people did not make the deal; our leadership did. But it’s our people and our way of life that are being given up. DACA is a manufactured humanitarian crisis that never should have happened but it is part of the deal.

Mexico is probably the most corrupt country on Earth and it has been almost since its inception. Unfortunately it shares a large border with the United States. Mexico has been practicing de facto chemical warfare against the US for generations by producing and funneling illegal drugs into our communities and preying on our children. But our political establishment has bigger fish to fry so your opioid-addicted children are apparently considered expendable for the greater good of enriching the status quo of globalization.

Due to its iniquitous class system Mexico’s marginalized citizens lead a hopeless existence and seeing no other option violate our immigration laws. Mexico is the North Korea of the western world but it has struck a deal with the political establishment of the US to allow its desperate, disenfranchised lower classes to overrun our borders. The only difference between the border policies of North Korea and Mexico is that North Korea uses its borders to keep its lower classes in because China has no such deal with it to allow illegal immigration.

The most valuable possession American citizens have is their way of life and up until the US political establishment beginning in earnest with NAFTA, decided to sell out its own people, immigration policies and border laws were strictly enforced to protect that way of life. But greed is a powerful motivator and the fear of missing out on the globalist party has driven our leaders to make decisions that benefit themselves at our expense.

Stagnated wages, the disappearance of workplace benefits, the vanishing advantages of a college education, home ownership levels the lowest in fifty years, half the US population on some form of welfare-the Devil is getting his due. It’s not Mexican kids that stabbed us in the back, it’s our own leadership.

End DACA-we can’t afford to absorb Mexico’s poverty. Let them stay. It’s our political establishment we need to get rid of.
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Seriously?

Ever been there?

I suggest to you that there are far more corrupt countries, starting with North Korea, moving to Vietnam, Myanmar, India, Pakistan.....

This habit of the right to over state everything is counter productive. It ensures that I don't see a valid point, just bigotry.....you just don't brown people around you and like Trump, has to steep to **** like "they're rapists, they're murderers.......some are good people."
 
Ray9 said:
Children from Mexico who came here illegally many years ago are not our biggest problem.
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Why did you start your post with only children from Mexico?

Why single out one country?
 
Fearandloathing said:
Seriously?

Ever been there?

I suggest to you that there are far more corrupt countries, starting with North Korea, moving to Vietnam, Myanmar, India, Pakistan.....

This habit of the right to over state everything is counter productive. It ensures that I don't see a valid point, just bigotry.....you just don't brown people around you and like Trump, has to steep to **** like "they're rapists, they're murderers.......some are good people."
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Hell Man, the Left does it too, there are very few honest people around anymore.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
When you see a Trump Supporter what do you see?

Who's fault is that?
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Some of my best friends Voted for Trump.

They are good people and they Voted for him for Good Reasons, then they became honest with themselves, their eyes and hears told then the truth about Trump. They don't have a allegiance to party and ego or need to right all the time.

They comfortable in their own skin.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Hell Man, the Left does it too, there are very few honest people around anymore.
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"Liberals do it"?

Oh, then that makes it OK.

You really don't want a better country, better neighbors do you. You all seem to need an enemy that is polar opposite of yourselves. EVERY issue is polarized and when you point out the stupidity most of the time you get "Hey, they do it too"

So long as you keep legitimizing bigoted behavior as something "the other guys do too" you will NEVER have any honest people around you.

With all the hate, and I am not using that word idly, with all the hate for the left, I do not understand the defense of "they do it too", as its an admission you are no different than that hated other guy.

This is nation building, not junior high home room.
 
I understand that in this time in our country we are focused on those evil "mexicans" but

Are the over 200,000 non Mexican people okay to stay?

What's the elite position on them?
Did the government strike a deal with the other 26 or so countries and what garbage are they sending us for the deal?
 
Middle_Ground said:
I understand that in this time in our country we are focused on those evil "mexicans" but

Are the over 200,000 non Mexican people okay to stay?

What's the elite position on them?
Did the government strike a deal with the other 26 or so countries and what garbage are they sending us for the deal?
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Careful :2razz:
 
Fearandloathing said:
"Liberals do it"?

Oh, then that makes it OK.

You really don't want a better country, better neighbors do you. You all seem to need an enemy that is polar opposite of yourselves. EVERY issue is polarized and when you point out the stupidity most of the time you get "Hey, they do it too"

So long as you keep legitimizing bigoted behavior as something "the other guys do too" you will NEVER have any honest people around you.

With all the hate, and I am not using that word idly, with all the hate for the left, I do not understand the defense of "they do it too", as its an admission you are no different than that hated other guy.

This is nation building, not junior high home room.
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I have a little niece who tattles on her Big Brother the same way ...
 
Mason66 said:
Why did you start your post with only children from Mexico?

Why single out one country?
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Because we have a border with Mexico and NAFTA started the whole mess.
 
Fearandloathing said:
"Liberals do it"?

Oh, then that makes it OK.

You really don't want a better country, better neighbors do you. You all seem to need an enemy that is polar opposite of yourselves. EVERY issue is polarized and when you point out the stupidity most of the time you get "Hey, they do it too"

So long as you keep legitimizing bigoted behavior as something "the other guys do too" you will NEVER have any honest people around you.

With all the hate, and I am not using that word idly, with all the hate for the left, I do not understand the defense of "they do it too", as its an admission you are no different than that hated other guy.

This is nation building, not junior high home room.
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Come on Man, surely you know that "**** you all, you all suck" tends to be the way I roll....

I look around and I dont see that one side is better than the other, I see that the hate and sadism and intolerance is pervasive, it infects everywhere. I dont give the one side a bonus because they dont want to man the borders because they are pursuing the genetic rainbows they happen to like, because America belongs to the Americans, and they do a lot of hating on the Americans who dont happen to thing it is a good idea, and those who want to regulate the flows of humans around the globe have very good reasons for their opinion which tend to get ignored because the Left is not willing to listen. These lowlifes plug their ears with their thumbs and start yelling "HATER HATER HATER!!", which is very poor behavior......it is in fact hate, sadism and intolerance, they practice the very thing they claim to be against, increasingly so against that thy approve of using violence to get their way. .
 
Ray9 said:
Mexico is probably the most corrupt country on Earth and it has been almost since its inception. Unfortunately it shares a large border with the United States. Mexico has been practicing de facto chemical warfare against the US for generations by producing and funneling illegal drugs into our communities and preying on our children. But our political establishment has bigger fish to fry so your opioid-addicted children are apparently considered expendable for the greater good of enriching the status quo of globalization.
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Humans have always taken various drugs (including alcohol, which is a drug) for their effects. In most of human history, it was only those people who ruined themselves with those drugs that were looked down upon. Only beginning with criminalization of certain drugs has the simple fact of use been looked down upon, and only looked down upon because the government told us it should be looked down upon - and that, in turn, was of course because people tend to support laws with a moral angle to them.

That still doesn't stop people from doing what they want. No matter what policy we follow re: Mexico, we - and the rest of humanity - will want our drugs. And someone is going to deliver.
 
Mr Person said:
Humans have always taken various drugs (including alcohol, which is a drug) for their effects. In most of human history, it was only those people who ruined themselves with those drugs that were looked down upon. Only beginning with criminalization of certain drugs has the simple fact of use been looked down upon, and only looked down upon because the government told us it should be looked down upon - and that, in turn, was of course because people tend to support laws with a moral angle to them.

That still doesn't stop people from doing what they want. No matter what policy we follow re: Mexico, we - and the rest of humanity - will want our drugs. And someone is going to deliver.
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I agree with everything you've said here. There is another angle however and that is the capitalization of the delivery and profit from the poison that the leaders preach against by the very leaders who preach against it. The poison the people love is the goose that lays the golden eggs especially if it can be taxed. It can also be used to control the population. People who sedate themselves every day are far less likely to question their personal circumstances so long as their poison is accessible and affordable. It's when it gets out of control that issues arise. The opium wars in China could only be resolved by shooting all the addicts and closing the borders to the outside world. Opioids change the mind and body forever more. Apparently the risk is worth it for our political establishment.
 
Ray9 said:
Because we have a border with Mexico and NAFTA started the whole mess.
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And Mexico has a border with the southern countries. A lot of kids pass through Mexico to get the the US.
 
Ray9 said:
Children from Mexico who came here illegally many years ago are not our biggest problem. No one blames them; they’re just pawns in the game. When you make a deal with the Devil you have to give something up. Our people did not make the deal; our leadership did. But it’s our people and our way of life that are being given up. DACA is a manufactured humanitarian crisis that never should have happened but it is part of the deal.

Mexico is probably the most corrupt country on Earth and it has been almost since its inception. Unfortunately it shares a large border with the United States. Mexico has been practicing de facto chemical warfare against the US for generations by producing and funneling illegal drugs into our communities and preying on our children. But our political establishment has bigger fish to fry so your opioid-addicted children are apparently considered expendable for the greater good of enriching the status quo of globalization.

Due to its iniquitous class system Mexico’s marginalized citizens lead a hopeless existence and seeing no other option violate our immigration laws. Mexico is the North Korea of the western world but it has struck a deal with the political establishment of the US to allow its desperate, disenfranchised lower classes to overrun our borders. The only difference between the border policies of North Korea and Mexico is that North Korea uses its borders to keep its lower classes in because China has no such deal with it to allow illegal immigration.

The most valuable possession American citizens have is their way of life and up until the US political establishment beginning in earnest with NAFTA, decided to sell out its own people, immigration policies and border laws were strictly enforced to protect that way of life. But greed is a powerful motivator and the fear of missing out on the globalist party has driven our leaders to make decisions that benefit themselves at our expense.

Stagnated wages, the disappearance of workplace benefits, the vanishing advantages of a college education, home ownership levels the lowest in fifty years, half the US population on some form of welfare-the Devil is getting his due. It’s not Mexican kids that stabbed us in the back, it’s our own leadership.

End DACA-we can’t afford to absorb Mexico’s poverty. Let them stay. It’s our political establishment we need to get rid of.
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:lamo:lamo:lamo

What?

No, Mexico is not the "West's North Korea". That is an incredibly ignorant claim.

No, Mexicans are not "the devil".

No, the activities of criminal gangs do not constitute "chemical warfare". Again, incredibly ignorant claim.

Your entire little rant is unhinged at best.
 
Tigerace117 said:
:lamo:lamo:lamo

What?

No, Mexico is not the "West's North Korea". That is an incredibly ignorant claim.

No, Mexicans are not "the devil".

No, the activities of criminal gangs do not constitute "chemical warfare". Again, incredibly ignorant claim.

Your entire little rant is unhinged at best.
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Perhaps you are unaware that Mexico is exporting its poverty to the US as part of the agreement that put NAFTA into effect. Perhaps you are unaware that Mexico's government is corrupt to the core and under-the-table drug money controls it. Perhaps you could provide evidence that Americans other than criminals are fleeing the US to get to Mexico in search of safety and a better life. Do you have any relationship with reality at all?
 
Ray9 said:
Perhaps you are unaware that Mexico is exporting its poverty to the US as part of the agreement that put NAFTA into effect. Perhaps you are unaware that Mexico's government is corrupt to the core and under-the-table drug money controls it. Perhaps you could provide evidence that Americans other than criminals are fleeing the US to get to Mexico in search of safety and a better life. Do you have any relationship with reality at all?
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Perhaps you are unaware of the fact that many of the people fleeing Mexico were middle class professionals fleeing due to the constant violence in the country. In many cases the poor can't afford to pay coyotes to smuggle them into the country.

Perhaps you are unaware that corruption exists in literally every government, but that Mexico's is far less corrupt than many other ones.

Perhaps you are unaware of the fact that Mexico has been consistently fighting drug cartels for years, often with American assistance.

Oh, and way to spew a bad cliche at the end of your little rant.

It's clear that you definitely do not.
 
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