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Trump is Right About DACA

NeverTrumpGOP said:
So why did Trump do it for...6 months? Oh the irony
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why not? Why leave an indefinite timeline allowing congress to do nothing?

Trump could **** gold and you would find a way to bitch about it.
 
Renae said:
So if a single father robs you you'll not press charges because the kids would suffer losing dad to prison?
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Did I say that?

No I did not.

I said if yer gonna punish kids for the sins of the father, why not punish ALL kids for their fathers' crimes.

You are advocating sending kids to a place they do not know, with a language they may not even speak, where they may have no family/community ties at all.

Because they didn't successfully defy their parents on where they were taken.

As toddlers.

Assholery of the highest order.

All to support the myth that its Mexican illegals that are responsible for the Great Divergence and not just good old fashioned greed.

And when nothing changes, what then?

Its always been funny to me that y'all get all pissed when a foreigner comes here and "takes our jobs" but cheer when a tycoon sends your jobs to another foreigner elsewhere.

Jobs still went to poor brown people.

And all the economic multipliers occurred in some other country.

Short sighted, simpleminded bull****.
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
DACA is an EO. You have no problems with Trumps but problems with only one of Obamas. I find that hypocritical.
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Like I care what you think? This thread is about DACA. Please stop trying to derail it. It isn't about all of Obama's EO's. It isn't about Trump's EO's. It is specifically about DACA. There is no hypocrisy in trying to keep the thread on topic.
 
Cigar said:
I didn't think it was relevant, we where discussing DACA and the young Adult recipients, not breast feeding Adults.
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We were discussing DACA which, by itself, is breaking up families by treating illegal alien folks differently based on their age upon entry which is why it was coupled with DAPA which nobody seems to want to talk about any more.
 
Confederate traitors who rebelled against the United States should remain ensconced on granite pedestals and lionized, but Latino children conveyed here by their desperate parents are collectively guilty of illegal entry and must be deported to 'satisfy justice'.

The dissonance in priorities is striking and sad.
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
You said you weren't informed. It's up to you to read the source material to determine if you have any problems with them. You seem to have a problem with a single E.O. of Obama's and yet claim ignorance on all of Trump's, even though you didn't know Trump did the same thing with E.Os that Obama did. Some of them, like the Muslim ban even includes brown people!
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I guess you don't see the difference in an EO that does something it isn't allowed to do and an EO that does something.
An EO was designed to clarify an ambiguity in the law or other administrative changes.

an EO cannot modify or change existing law which is what obama did.

EO's however can be undone by any president.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Confederate traitors who rebelled against the United States should remain ensconced on granite pedestals and lionized, but Latino children conveyed here by their desperate parents are collectively guilty of illegal entry and must be deported to 'satisfy justice'.

The dissonance in priorities is striking and sad.
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the dissonance in your post is striking and sad.

the fact is that this requires a legislative fix. Therefore it is up to congress to actually pass a bill. they have 6 months to fix an issue.
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
Trump in a way is right about DACA, but Congress is not in the state of mind to make a deal that helps all the Dreamers. He knows it too. That's what's so silly about this whole punt it to Congress idea. A permanent law to keep the dreamers here is what is needed. I doubt Congress will come to their senses and do that though. There will be loopholes and pork no doubt about it. The problem I have with Trump's sudden pull of DACA is that it wasn't needed and children should not be used as political bargaining chips to get a wall built. So he did it for the wrong reasons, when it never had to be dealt with in the first place. Not until he had some signature achievements of his own to boast about. Not with 12 days of Congress in Session. There's so much going on and Congress is a horribly run body of gov't, that Republicans are signaling going against Trump during these six months.
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What do you think is silly about the way law is made in this country?
 
Rogue Valley said:
Confederate traitors who rebelled against the United States should remain ensconced on granite pedestals and lionized, but Latino children conveyed here by their desperate parents are collectively guilty of illegal entry and must be deported to 'satisfy justice'.

The dissonance in priorities is striking and sad.
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Hey! Logic is not allowed in here! This is Trumplandia!
 
ttwtt78640 said:
We were discussing DACA which, by itself, is breaking up families by treating illegal alien folks differently based on their age upon entry which is why it was coupled with DAPA which nobody seems to want to talk about any more.
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The problem is DAPA was ruled unconstitutional. The DAPA EO was based off of the DACA. by ruling DAPA unconstitutional then DACA was unconstitutional as well.
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
You can't govern by the way you want to see things. That's Trump's main problem. You have to govern in the real world how the way things are. These children are here and they shouldn't be punished or ripped apart from their families.
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So in your opinion, if a family with minor children manage to get across the border they automatically get amnesty?
 
ludin said:
The problem is DAPA was ruled unconstitutional. The DAPA EO was based off of the DACA. by ruling DAPA unconstitutional then DACA was unconstitutional as well.
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Everyone seems to know that but will not discuss it because granting that level of amnesty to illegal aliens would be politically unacceptable. Folks refuse to explain why illegal aliens (border jumpers or temporary visa overstayers) should be given priority over those that currently obey the law and patiently await US entry permission in their homelands.

Pretending that DACA could stand without DAPA is pure BS - but common sense says that DAPA does nothing but encourage illegal aliens to bring their children along. Nearly half of the illegal aliens arrived legally (under temporary visas) and simply never left - DACA/DAPA makes it much more likely that this trend will increase greatly because it adds anchor "dreamers" as a ticket to stay forever on a "temporary" visa.
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
You can't govern by the way you want to see things. That's Trump's main problem. You have to govern in the real world how the way things are. These children are here and they shouldn't be punished or ripped apart from their families.
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People keep talking about children in an effort to tug at heartstrings. The fact is that the majority of those 800,000 people are not kids anymore. 64% of them range in age from 19-36 and they have been renewing their DACA exemption rather than pursuing a path to citizenship. To me, it's an abuse of the opportunity DACA was intended to provide. If they wanted to remain here then they should have pursued legal residency, but they didn't and now they regret that fact. That is the way things are.
 
Flouncy Magoo said:
Hey! Logic is not allowed in here! This is Trumplandia!
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since there was little to no logic in that post it would be an appeal to emotion fallacy also one has absolutely nothing
to do with the other.
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
Trump in a way is right about DACA, but Congress is not in the state of mind to make a deal that helps all the Dreamers. He knows it too. That's what's so silly about this whole punt it to Congress idea. A permanent law to keep the dreamers here is what is needed. I doubt Congress will come to their senses and do that though. There will be loopholes and pork no doubt about it. The problem I have with Trump's sudden pull of DACA is that it wasn't needed and children should not be used as political bargaining chips to get a wall built. So he did it for the wrong reasons, when it never had to be dealt with in the first place. Not until he had some signature achievements of his own to boast about. Not with 12 days of Congress in Session. There's so much going on and Congress is a horribly run body of gov't, that Republicans are signaling going against Trump during these six months.
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But it DID have to be dealt with.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/27/us/politics/dreamers-trump-lawsuit.html?mcubz=0

The Justice Department would be responsible for defending DACA, but Attorney General Jeff Sessions, a fierce opponent of the program, has not said whether he would, and the president has not said whether he would order Mr. Sessions to do so.

Even if he did, it is not clear that the program would survive a court challenge; Republican attorneys general have had success blocking other Obama-era immigration policies.
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And...

“It’s not about the policy; it’s about the Constitution,” said Ken Paxton, the Texas attorney general, who accused Mr. Obama of abusing his power by circumventing Congress to create law. “The fact is, there is no statute authorizing this.”

Mr. Paxton was joined by the attorneys general of Arkansas, Alabama, Idaho, Kansas, Louisiana, Nebraska, South Carolina, Tennessee and West Virginia, as well as Idaho Gov. C. L. Otter, in a June 29 letter to Mr. Sessions urging the White House to start phasing out DACA by Sept. 5 or face a lawsuit.
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DACA most likely would have been overturned by the courts. The move Trump made bought time and I have no problem at all with putting it on congress to solve. It's their job, after all.
 
ludin said:
The problem is DAPA was ruled unconstitutional. The DAPA EO was based off of the DACA. by ruling DAPA unconstitutional then DACA was unconstitutional as well.
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In June 2016 the USSC ruled 4-4 in a case that challenged Obama's DACA program. Now that Gorsuch is sitting, I think we can say with 99.99% certainty that it would have been ruled unconstitutional.
 
KLATTU said:
In June 2016 the USSC ruled 4-4 in a case that challenged Obama's DACA program. Now that Gorsuch is sitting, I think we can say with 99.99% certainty that it would have been ruled unconstitutional.
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right which kept the lower court ruling that it was unconstitutional in place and that was with DAPA.
however DAPA was founded on the same principles as the DACA act.
 
MaggieD said:
Like I care what you think? This thread is about DACA. Please stop trying to derail it. It isn't about all of Obama's EO's. It isn't about Trump's EO's. It is specifically about DACA. There is no hypocrisy in trying to keep the thread on topic.
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You said Obama overreached with DACA. You brought up Obama. His EO. It's all fair. Still on topic. You can't complain about one of Obama's EOs if you haven't even researched Trump's to see that they are similar supposed abuses of power there. :roll:
 
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