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Trump is Right About DACA

ttwtt78640 said:
That (bolded above) condition is 100% the fault of their criminal parents who decided that waiting for permission to enter the US legally is only for suckers in their homeland.

The idea that after five years continuously here those children become no longer illegal makes little sense - since that is still advocating being able to remove those children that were here for "only" 4 years and eleven months or went on a one week trip (e.g. a Xmas vacation or to attend a family funeral) to the homeland during that magic five year "dreamy" window. Of course, nobody will state what should happen when the illegal alien parents of 6, 8 and 10 year old "dreamers" are detected by ICE and properly deported.
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So why go after the Children of those parents?
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
She shouldn't have to worry about it, so that's why a permanent law should be on the books keeping them here, and making them citizens.
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Rewarding illegal behavior because it makes you feel bad to enforce teh laws...
 
Renae said:
Rewarding illegal behavior because it makes you feel bad to enforce teh laws...
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She did not do the "illegal act," that's like saying you should go to jail because your father killed your mother.
 
MaggieD said:
If all you can do is list them, why bother? I can Google as well. If you have a particular problem with some of them, start a new thread.
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You said you weren't informed. It's up to you to read the source material to determine if you have any problems with them. You seem to have a problem with a single E.O. of Obama's and yet claim ignorance on all of Trump's, even though you didn't know Trump did the same thing with E.Os that Obama did. Some of them, like the Muslim ban even includes brown people!
 
MaggieD said:
I doubt congress will be inclined to submit to blackmail. It would be a shame to combine DACA with a budget for the wall. I think it would be extremely unpopular.

Trump did the right thing, I think. Obama was totally over-reaching with DACA. The President doesn't make law. The President enforces it. I'm sure Obama was warned that his DACA law wasn't worth the paper it was printed on. He counted on an election win, like so many others, and, of course, that didn't happen.

Trump did the right thing. Now let's see if our dysfunctional Congress can do the same. The pressure on both sides will be intense.
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Why would "comprehensive" immigration reform, increased immigration law enforcement and border security combined with altered (relaxed?) legal immigration requirements, suddenly be a bad idea? The last round of amnesty (1986) came with promises to increase immigration enforcement but, somehow, that never happened. After all, the only reason that we have "dreamers" in the first place is that their illegal alien parents have been able to avoid detection and/or deportation for at least five years.

I doubt that Trump has forgotten how many congress critters have "promised" not to agree to immigration "reform" until the border has been declared secure.
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
So they should be punished for being here and loving america? Weird logic you got.
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So people trying to come here legally should be punished for following the law?

And are these the same people who protest by marching with Mexican flags? That's a funny way of showing your love for America. :roll:
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
She did not do the "illegal act," that's like saying you should go to jail because your father killed your mother.
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No she didn't. Her parents did.
And they are the ones you need to be mad at.
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
You said you weren't informed. It's up to you to read the source material to determine if you have any problems with them. You seem to have a problem with a single E.O. of Obama's and yet claim ignorance on all of Trump's, even though you didn't know Trump did the same thing with E.Os that Obama did. Some of them, like the Muslim ban even includes brown people!
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This thread is about DACA. You want to talk about DT executive orders, start another thread.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Trump is using DACA (real people) as a political bargaining chip.

Trumps Congressional GOP will support legalizing DACA if the Democrats support funding his border wall.
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obama used DACA (real people) to promise people something he knew he couldn't follow through with.
it was something that should have gone through congress anyway.

the congress now has 6 months to craft a bill and get it signed. it was a great move by trump to get congress to get off
their rear end and do something.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Why would "comprehensive" immigration reform, increased immigration law enforcement and border security combined with altered (relaxed?) legal immigration requirements, suddenly be a bad idea? The last round of amnesty (1986) came with promises to increase immigration enforcement but, somehow, that never happened. After all, the only reason that we have "dreamers" in the first place is that their illegal alien parents have been able to avoid detection and/or deportation for at least five years.

I doubt that Trump has forgotten how many congress critters have "promised" not to agree to immigration "reform" until the border has been declared secure.
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I didn't SAY it was a bad idea. But DACA is above the President's pay grade. He knew it when he did it, but, in my opinion, was so confident of a Dem win, by the time it was rescinded, it would be too late.
 
Cigar said:
So why go after the Children of those parents?
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Because the alternative is to split up the family or to have open borders. Is that why you did not address the last question in the quote to which you replied?
 
MaggieD said:
This thread is about DACA. You want to talk about DT executive orders, start another thread.
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DACA is an EO. You have no problems with Trumps but problems with only one of Obamas. I find that hypocritical.
 
Renae said:
No she didn't. Her parents did.
And they are the ones you need to be mad at.
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Sins of the father...

Lets start putting the Methheads kids in prison too.
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
Dreamers grew up here and no nothing of their home countries. I have a friend who's father forces her to go to his home country of Nicaragua sometimes twice a year, and she hates it! Do you want to kick her out? We need a permanent law keeping Dreamers here so no future crappy presidents can mess with their lives again.
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Yep...so regardlss of whether or not Congress is in the 'right state of mind' it falls on them to do their job. Trump gave them 6 months to work out a solution. 6 months. They cant accomplish that, then every single one of them should be voted out of office.

Immigration LAW is dictated by congressional action. We MUST get out of the mindset that a president...ANY president can or ought to be allowed to govern by EO.
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
Being mad at these people, my friends are the least of my worries.
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I know it's not ideal, but the reality is those kids should never have been HERE, or if their parents had chosen a legal path they wouldn't be in this situation.
 
VanceMack said:
Yep...so regardlss of whether or not Congress is in the 'right state of mind' it falls on them to do their job. Trump gave them 6 months to work out a solution. 6 months. They cant accomplish that, then every single one of them should be voted out of office.

Immigration LAW is dictated by congressional action. We MUST get out of the mindset that a president...ANY president can or ought to be allowed to govern by EO.
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So why did Trump do it for...6 months? Oh the irony
 
What if...? said:
Sins of the father...

Lets start putting the Methheads kids in prison too.
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So if a single father robs you you'll not press charges because the kids would suffer losing dad to prison?
 
Renae said:
I know it's not ideal, but the reality is those kids should never have been HERE, or if their parents had chosen a legal path they wouldn't be in this situation.
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You can't govern by the way you want to see things. That's Trump's main problem. You have to govern in the real world how the way things are. These children are here and they shouldn't be punished or ripped apart from their families.
 
Renae said:
So if a single father robs you you'll not press charges because the kids would suffer losing dad to prison?
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No. You are using the wrong analogy. Trump is saying kids should be punished because dad robbed you and that's what you are saying too.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Because the alternative is to split up the family or to have open borders. Is that why you did not address the last question in the quote to which you replied?
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I didn't think it was relevant, we where discussing DACA and the young Adult recipients, not breast feeding Adults.
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
You can't govern by the way you want to see things. That's Trump's main problem. You have to govern in the real world how the way things are. These children are here and they shouldn't be punished or ripped apart from their families.
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No one is stopping them from joining their parents. That "tearing families apart" is a false narrative.
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
No. You are using the wrong analogy. Trump is saying kids should be punished because dad robbed you and that's what you are saying too.
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No he's not, he's restoring the rule of law.
 
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