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Regarding D.A.C.A., here is President Obama in 2011.

Dirt Sands said:
FunNY, fUnnY.

Seriously, you know I'm A dimaukrat, right?

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Spelling Nazis come from both sides, and I don't really care if your a Dim, bet you still wonder how Hilldog blew it lol
 
yankintx said:
Most Righties are hypocrites, including the one who smacked Obama for overstepping his authority with this immigration program. Yet, Trump attempts to ban Muslims form several countries and the deplorable's give him a free pass. No surprised, with Righties its do as I say, not as I do.
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Will Ryan and McConnell have the guts to ditch the 'Hastert Rule' and do what's best for the Nation? It would actually help GOPs in swingy House races if they did.

There's not much Democrats can do with a GOP in an ever-worse Civil War and unable to even being simple legislation like infrastructure to the floor ...
 
NIMBY said:
Will Ryan and McConnell have the guts to ditch the 'Hastert Rule' and do what's best for the Nation? It would actually help GOPs in swingy House races if they did.

There's not much Democrats can do with a GOP in an ever-worse Civil War and unable to even being simple legislation like infrastructure to the floor ...
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My opinion of the Dems is not much better than that of the GOP.
 
Captain Adverse said:
People keep arguing how D.A.C.A. should remain in force, it is only the humane thing to do.

Here is Obama on the topic:



For those who don't like watching video's, here is the quote:



Two years later...he establishes D.A.C.A. via Executive Order.

So The President himself states he cannot do this, then goes ahead and does it anyway.

Meanwhile, Mr. Trump...clearly following Mr. Obama's original and correct view of the President's role vis-à-vis standing Immigration Law enacted by Congress, states he is revoking D.A.C.A. and it is up to Congress to act legislatively if they so deem necessary.

Where is the argument folks?

(EDIT: One member can't find an argument. Okay, to make it plainer...)

Obama admits that he cannot suspend immigration law via Executive action. A year later he does exactly what he says he is not allowed to do.

Then the subsequent President states he is going to eliminate the very thing Obama wasn't allowed to do...yet somehow Trump is breaking an "American Promise to the Dreamers!"

1. Isn't that a false (if not illegal) promise?

2. Isn't the current President following his Constitutional (i.e. legal) duties as clearly expressed by his predecessor?

3. Isn't Immigration law supposed to be enforced equally?

I think so. How about YOU?
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Jesus Christ on a cracker... You're a better man than I to stay quiet in this thread with all the thread jacking going on.

What a completely derailed thread due to the complete lack of the ability to read English and understand the basic (simple) powers and authorities listed in the US Constitution. Textual comprehension is fundamental.

Wow, just... WOW!!!

This isn't even a thread about Obama, or Trump, but rather about the Constitution, the law, executive actions, and how they all relate to DACA. Pretty frigging simple, or so I thought.

Obviously you're an evil Trumpkin Neo-Nazi Racist Anti-Brown White Supremacists (that part is the really funny part) that hates all things not Trump - or so I've read in numerous threads lately.
 
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NIMBY said:
If take your Gov. Baker as president right now in a heartbeat ...
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I would take Pres Pence right now, don't care about his politics, but he is sane, and does not have a personality disorder.
 
Captain Adverse said:
People keep arguing how D.A.C.A. should remain in force, it is only the humane thing to do.

Here is Obama on the topic:



For those who don't like watching video's, here is the quote:



Two years later...he establishes D.A.C.A. via Executive Order.

So The President himself states he cannot do this, then goes ahead and does it anyway.

Meanwhile, Mr. Trump...clearly following Mr. Obama's original and correct view of the President's role vis-à-vis standing Immigration Law enacted by Congress, states he is revoking D.A.C.A. and it is up to Congress to act legislatively if they so deem necessary.

Where is the argument folks?

(EDIT: One member can't find an argument. Okay, to make it plainer...)

Obama admits that he cannot suspend immigration law via Executive action. A year later he does exactly what he says he is not allowed to do.

Then the subsequent President states he is going to eliminate the very thing Obama wasn't allowed to do...yet somehow Trump is breaking an "American Promise to the Dreamers!"

1. Isn't that a false (if not illegal) promise?

2. Isn't the current President following his Constitutional (i.e. legal) duties as clearly expressed by his predecessor?

3. Isn't Immigration law supposed to be enforced equally?

I think so. How about YOU?
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I remeber reading a story about a Homeless Man stealing a sandwich because he was hungry. The police was called, the Man was arrested. Weeks later, when the Homeless Man was before the Judge. The Judge said, I'm happy to tell you that both the Store Owner and the arresting officer, along with myself, beleive the charges should be dropped. Then he told the Man to have a nice day.

So it made me think about todays activity, what exactly are people agraid of from these 800k young adults?
 
yankintx said:
I would take Pres Pence right now, don't care about his politics, but he is sane, and does not have a personality disorder.
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In Cali there is a petition with 62,000 names on it saying Trump has dementia and is unfit to be president.

Here's how it happens.

If his cabinet has a majority vote that he is unfit, it then goes to the house for a vote. If a majority of the House votes that he is unfit, guess what, Pence is POTUS.

That's it. Pretty simple ha?

Political geeks, whuduyu think?

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NIMBY said:
The GOP house stopped working on immigration reform when it cost Eric Cantor his seat when he was primaried by freedumb circus loon David Brat ...
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NIMBY said:
DACA has everything to do with your OP designed to deflect away from the trump/GOP incompetence ...
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NIMBY said:
And yet you say you're from the left, while supporting bannon and the alt-right ...
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sangha said:
Obama is a hypocrite and not trustworthy. Still irrelevant when it comes to the merits of DACA

I know the mention of Obamas name triggers many on the right, but perhaps you could explain how what Obama said has anything to do with the merits of DACA
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Dirt Sands said:
No sir. You only want me to be left to make you seem mainstream. All Trump's are way right. I'm a moderate Democrat. You are the embodiment of what's wrong with this country.

I think you need to go feed your cat.

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yankintx said:
We are discussing immigration and the legality of Trumps action, you make not like the question I asked. but it is pertinent to the discussion. You chose not to answer, and I can only guess it is for partisan reasons.
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NIMBY said:
Bannon and the Freedumb circus are pulling trump's strings ...

'Bloody September' within the GOP . :lamo
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yankintx said:
Most Righties are hypocrites, including the one who smacked Obama for overstepping his authority with this immigration program. Yet, Trump attempts to ban Muslims form several countries and the deplorable's give him a free pass. No surprised, with Righties its do as I say, not as I do.
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Dirt Sands said:
FunNY, fUnnY.

Seriously, you know I'm A dimaukrat, right?

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yankintx said:
Spelling Nazis come from both sides, and I don't really care if your a Dim, bet you still wonder how Hilldog blew it lol
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NIMBY said:
Will Ryan and McConnell have the guts to ditch the 'Hastert Rule' and do what's best for the Nation? It would actually help GOPs in swingy House races if they did.

There's not much Democrats can do with a GOP in an ever-worse Civil War and unable to even being simple legislation like infrastructure to the floor ...
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yankintx said:
My opinion of the Dems is not much better than that of the GOP.
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NIMBY said:
I'd take your Gov. Baker as president right now in a heartbeat ...
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yankintx said:
I would take Pres Pence right now, don't care about his politics, but he is sane, and does not have a personality disorder.
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Cigar said:
I remeber reading a story about a Homeless Man stealing a sandwich because he was hungry. The police was called, the Man was arrested. Weeks later, when the Homeless Man was before the Judge. The Judge said, I'm happy to tell you that both the Store Owner and the arresting officer, along with myself, beleive the charges should be dropped. Then he told the Man to have a nice day.

So it made me think about todays activity, what exactly are people agraid of from these 800k young adults?
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Dirt Sands said:
In Cali there is a petition with 62,000 names on it saying Trump has dementia and is unfit to be president.

Here's how it happens.

If his cabinet has a majority vote that he is unfit, it then goes to the house for a vote. If a majority of the House votes that he is unfit, guess what, Pence is POTUS.

That's it. Pretty simple ha?

Political geeks, whuduyu think?

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All these posts, (even from the member who could not find an argument originally) and not a single one having to do with any of the QUESTIONS posed in the OP.


Just a combination of fallacies and derailment attempts.

Amazing. :doh

Then people wonder why they get no responses.
 
Captain Adverse said:
All these posts, (even from the member who could not find an argument originally) and not a single one having to do with any of the QUESTIONS posed in the OP.


Just a combination of fallacies and derailment attempts.



Amazing. :doh

Then people wonder why they get no responses.
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Wow you see no similarities on the legality eh? Take those partisan blinders off please. Your fake outrage at being caught as a partisan is amusing.
 
If you really want to talk about false promises, we'd be her all month debating Trumps Lies from January to now.

MY ANSWER to YOUR Questions.
 
Captain Adverse said:
All these posts, (even from the member who could not find an argument originally) and not a single one having to do with any of the QUESTIONS posed in the OP.


Just a combination of fallacies and derailment attempts.

Amazing. :doh

Then people wonder why they get no responses.
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Thank you for pointing out my allies.

This is politics more than it is about being right or wrong.
Not everything in life is about being right. But politics covers everything[emoji450]

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Captain Adverse said:
People keep arguing how D.A.C.A. should remain in force, it is only the humane thing to do.

Here is Obama on the topic:



For those who don't like watching video's, here is the quote:



Two years later...he establishes D.A.C.A. via Executive Order.

So The President himself states he cannot do this, then goes ahead and does it anyway.

Meanwhile, Mr. Trump...clearly following Mr. Obama's original and correct view of the President's role vis-à-vis standing Immigration Law enacted by Congress, states he is revoking D.A.C.A. and it is up to Congress to act legislatively if they so deem necessary.

Where is the argument folks?

(EDIT: One member can't find an argument. Okay, to make it plainer...)

Obama admits that he cannot suspend immigration law via Executive action. A year later he does exactly what he says he is not allowed to do.

Then the subsequent President states he is going to eliminate the very thing Obama wasn't allowed to do...yet somehow Trump is breaking an "American Promise to the Dreamers!"

1. Isn't that a false (if not illegal) promise?

2. Isn't the current President following his Constitutional (i.e. legal) duties as clearly expressed by his predecessor?

3. Isn't Immigration law supposed to be enforced equally?

I think so. How about YOU?
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DACA is fundamentally illegal. Obama stated so himself. In this, he is correct.

Trump is being advised by very poor political strategists, if he listens to them at all.

All Trump would have to do is allow the states law suits against DACA make their way through the courts, which will find that DACA is illegal (which it is - by Obama's own admission), and then turn around and say that all he's doing is enforcing the existing laws on the books, and that if congress wants to change the laws, he's willing to listen and perhaps even sign the legislation that might come to his desk.

One must always remember who it was that illegally brought children into the country, as well as having anchor babies while being illegally here.
Those responsible aren't those that wish to enforce the existing immigration statues which are law of the land.
 
NIMBY said:
The GOP house stopped working on immigration reform when it cost Eric Cantor his seat when he was primaried by freedumb circus loon David Brat ...
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Cantor didn't lose because of immigration reform. Cantor lost because he didn't represent the voters of his district. Cantor represented Cantor and the establishment Republicans. I assume you know nothing about Brat. He is not a circus loon. He represents the people, although he is showing signs of becoming just another politician.

GOP never stopped working on immigration reform. It never started. Neither party had any interest in working on immigration reform. There is no compromise position. They either stay or they go. I vote go.

Obama took the illegal step of reforming by temporary decree to be solved by the new guy. Congress liked that. No vote means you can't vote wrong.

Politically, President Trump pulled off a good one. Congress now has 6 months to put up or shut up. My guess is they will do neither. They will create something that nobody likes or will accept. Then it's Trumps ball again. And like OCare reform, nothing will get done.
 
I'm still curious to know, how many Debatepolitics.com Forum Members lost a Job to a DACA Recipient?
 
Dirt Sands said:
In Cali there is a petition with 62,000 names on it saying Trump has dementia and is unfit to be president.

Here's how it happens.

If his cabinet has a majority vote that he is unfit, it then goes to the house for a vote. If a majority of the House votes that he is unfit, guess what, Pence is POTUS.

That's it. Pretty simple ha?

Political geeks, whuduyu think?

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About 8 of those are doctors, and 4 can spell dementia.

Sorry, you cannot diagnose from mommies basement.
 
To address the OP: I don't find President Obama's words and actions to be a great concern. DACA strikes me as the right thing to do, and apparently it struck him as the right thing to do. When you have a moral intuition--perhaps a new moral intuition due to having been exposed to new experiences, people, evidence, or arguments, you have to adjust. I think it's the definition of an officious bureaucrat when someone thinks that the rules in which they've been trained are absolute, and are never to be changed or challenged with executive action. The reason we have people and not robots running our executive branch is precisely so that the law can be enforced with sensitivity to circumstances that cannot be anticipated when a rule is written (laws are just a kind of rule).

The notion that we should follow laws most of the time is correct, and I take it that's what Obama was saying. The notion that we should follow laws literally all the time, come hell or high water, is incorrect. DACA is such an exception.
 
jimbo said:
About 8 of those are doctors, and 4 can spell dementia.

Sorry, you cannot diagnose from mommies basement.
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But the very first seed has been planted to rid the nation of him

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Captain Adverse said:
People keep arguing how D.A.C.A. should remain in force, it is only the humane thing to do.

Here is Obama on the topic:



For those who don't like watching video's, here is the quote:



Two years later...he establishes D.A.C.A. via Executive Order.

So The President himself states he cannot do this, then goes ahead and does it anyway.

Meanwhile, Mr. Trump...clearly following Mr. Obama's original and correct view of the President's role vis-à-vis standing Immigration Law enacted by Congress, states he is revoking D.A.C.A. and it is up to Congress to act legislatively if they so deem necessary.

Where is the argument folks?

(EDIT: One member can't find an argument. Okay, to make it plainer...)

Obama admits that he cannot suspend immigration law via Executive action. A year later he does exactly what he says he is not allowed to do.

Then the subsequent President states he is going to eliminate the very thing Obama wasn't allowed to do...yet somehow Trump is breaking an "American Promise to the Dreamers!"

1. Isn't that a false (if not illegal) promise?

2. Isn't the current President following his Constitutional (i.e. legal) duties as clearly expressed by his predecessor?

3. Isn't Immigration law supposed to be enforced equally?

I think so. How about YOU?
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I find it very interesting that for all the talk about "secure borders" nobody really seems to care about the fact that illegal immigration via the Canadian border is very easy, or the fact that nobody seems to care about dealing with non Mexican illegal immigrants
 
You're ignoring the human factor. These are kids who grew up here. He tried to get congress to pass something but they wouldn't budge. He had no choice but to do what he didn't want to do.

Legally, you're correct but as a human being with compassion you fail. That's the problem with the Republican party.
 
sangha said:
Obama is a hypocrite and not trustworthy. Still irrelevant when it comes to the merits of DACA

I know the mention of Obamas name triggers many on the right, but perhaps you could explain how what Obama said has anything to do with the merits of DACA
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I would if the thread was about that.
 
vegas giants said:
Let me address the OP. Obama was wrong in that quote. What he did in DACA was clearly legal. I'm glad he finally got it right
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Really?

And the CONSTITUTIONAL foundation for this assertion is???

On the other hand, this is what the Constitution states each branch's powers are:

Congress; Article 1 Section 8:

The Congress shall have Power...To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization...To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.
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https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articlei#section1

The President; Article 2 Section 1:

The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America.
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https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articleii

The Congress has the power to pass all laws that the Executive then executes. Very simple and clearly delineated division of powers.
 
Captain Adverse said:
Really?

And the CONSTITUTIONAL foundation for this assertion is???

On the other hand, this is what the Constitution states each branch's powers are:

Congress; Article 1 Section 8:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articlei#section1

The President; Article 2 Section 1:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articleii

The Congress has the power to pass all laws that the Executive then executes. Very simple and clearly delineated division of powers.
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Thank goodness the GOP Congress did not pass Trumps Muslim ban, then they too would have egg on there faces, much like the Liar in Chief
 
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