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More of Clinton "Taking Responsibility For Her Loss":

ludin said:
I don't think personal responsibility is in her vocabulary.
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Not true. Trump is personally responsible fit standing too close to her at that cost her the election. Bernie is personally responsible for daring to run against her and causing her lose. DWS is personally responsible for getting caught helping her friend out. Hillary believes in personal responsibility, and will gladly tell anyone why they are personally responsible for her lose. Making a traveling show of it.
 
Chomsky said:
If I had my ideal way, it would be Bernie turning on her and taking the Democratic Party away from her similar to what Trump did to the GOP.
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Bernie isn't a member of the Democratic Party.
 
Greenbeard said:
Bernie isn't a member of the Democratic Party.
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Gee. I thought he was running for the Democratic nomination in 2016. I must have remembered that wrong. Maybe he's a Republican.
 
Moderate Right said:
Gee. I thought he was running for the Democratic nomination in 2016. I must have remembered that wrong. Maybe he's a Republican.
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Yes, he joined the party shortly before the primaries started and left it shortly after they ended. I'm sure he'll briefly re-join in late 2019.

The fact remains, Bernie isn't a member of the Democratic Party. Which raises challenges to "taking the Democratic Party away" from Democrats. As he discovered last go-around.
 
Hillary lost because Hillary.


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Chomsky said:
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Is that a disqualifier?
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I don't know but I truly hope we have seen the last of the Clintons. I would like to have a choice this next election.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
I don't know but I truly hope we have seen the last of the Clintons. I would like to have a choice this next election.
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My choice was Bernie, and I'd do it again. I'd take Biden in a heartbeat, and my gut says he's going to run in 2020, and if he's smart he'll pick Kamala Harris (if she herself doesn't hold-out for the top of the ticket).

The Clinton's need to fade away ... well at least Hillary does ...
 
Chomsky said:
My choice was Bernie, and I'd do it again. I'd take Biden in a heartbeat, and my gut says he's going to run in 2020, and if he's smart he'll pick Kamala Harris (if she herself doesn't hold-out for the top of the ticket).

The Clinton's need to fade away ... well at least Hillary does ...
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Biden and Bernie are too old. We need a leader who will build a middle class not make everyone dependent on government.

Ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country. These are words I used to associate with the democratic party. Not any more. Now it is what right are they going to restrict. Will I be on food stamps and dependent on government. Will I lose my job to an illegal alien who will work for slave wages, no benefits, and unsafe working conditions. The new American dream.

The biggest problem I have with the democratic party right now is they are not interested in building the middle class. They are focused too much on dependence on government. The American dream is not food stamps and government housing. The American dream is not slave labor from south of the border. The American dream is people making a livable wage and making enough money so you do not need to be dependent on government. Where every one pays taxes not where almost half the population is dependent on government to just survive.
 
Greenbeard said:
Yes, he joined the party shortly before the primaries started and left it shortly after they ended. I'm sure he'll briefly re-join in late 2019.

The fact remains, Bernie isn't a member of the Democratic Party. Which raises challenges to "taking the Democratic Party away" from Democrats. As he discovered last go-around.
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It is the voters who decide which candidate is "their party", as they did with Trump. If Bernie were to win the Democratic nomination in 2020 then he wouldn't be taking the Democratic party away from anyone. Bottom line, both parties are tired of the same ole same ole establishment BS.
 
roughdraft274 said:
Again, those aren't mutually exclusive. It's possible for me to think she was a lousy candidate, but also that other factors played a role. What you are saying wouldn't pass muster in an entry level logic course.
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If you genuinely accepted the fact that Clinton was a [s[lousy[/s] lousier candidate and lost because of that fact then you wouldn't be trying to cling onto loony leftist lib-tard conspiracies of Trump Russia collusion, or somehow its Bernie Sander's fault or that evil sexist racist homophobic men or some other idiotic thing to explain why Clinton lost other than the fact she is a lousier candidate. You hang onto those idiot conspiracies because it gives you a way out and that you don't have to accept the fact that Clinton was a lousier candidate.You hope those idiotic conspiracies are true because you think Trump will be stripped of the presidency and it will be given to Clinton.
 
jamesrage said:
If you genuinely accepted the fact that Clinton was a [s[lousy[/s] lousier candidate and lost because of that fact then you wouldn't be trying to cling onto loony leftist lib-tard conspiracies of Trump Russia collusion, or somehow its Bernie Sander's fault or that evil sexist racist homophobic men or some other idiotic thing to explain why Clinton lost other than the fact she is a lousier candidate. You hang onto those idiot conspiracies because it gives you a way out and that you don't have to accept the fact that Clinton was a lousier candidate.You hope those idiotic conspiracies are true because you think Trump will be stripped of the presidency and it will be given to Clinton.
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False. I can think that Clinton was a lousy candidate and also think that the Trump Russia connection is something that needs to be investigated. They aren't mutually exclusive and your claim that I can only believe one or the other is pure bull****. It's false.

You seriously need to sit down and think about what you are arguing. you are arguing that I can't think it's possible that Clinton was a "lousier" candidate and also think that the Comey letter had some kind of affect. You are arguing that it's impossible to think that Clinton was a "lousier" candidate and also think that the Trump Russia thing needs to be investigated. These things aren't impossible. Very clearly so. If you were in a logic class that kind of reasoning would get you an F. There is absolutely nothing to stop someone from believing both of those claims.
 
roughdraft274 said:
False. I can think that Clinton was a lousy candidate and also think that the Trump Russia connection is something that needs to be investigated. They aren't mutually exclusive and your claim that I can only believe one or the other is pure bull****. It's false.

You seriously need to sit down and think about what you are arguing. you are arguing that I can't think it's possible that Clinton was a "lousier" candidate and also think that the Comey letter had some kind of affect. You are arguing that it's impossible to think that Clinton was a "lousier" candidate and also think that the Trump Russia thing needs to be investigated. These things aren't impossible. Very clearly so. If you were in a logic class that kind of reasoning would get you an F. There is absolutely nothing to stop someone from believing both of those claims.
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You are hanging onto bull**** conspiracy theories because deep down on he inside you believe that she didn't really lose and that she wasn't a lousier candidate than Trump. Sensible people don't believe in idiotic conspiracies theories just because their candidate lost. Its why birther-tards,truffer-tards and other anti-president conspiracy believing tards are idiots.
 
jamesrage said:
You are hanging onto bull**** conspiracy theories because deep down on he inside you believe that she didn't really lose and that she wasn't a lousier candidate than Trump.
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What the **** are you talking about? "Deep down"? Quit acting like you know what I'm thinking. Try being honest for once. You said a bunch of stupid **** that's not true now you're trying to pretend it is by saying I don't believe what I very clearly stated that I believe.

You aren't honest and that means I have no time for you. Have fun spreading lies.
 
roughdraft274 said:
What the **** are you talking about? "Deep down"? Quit acting like you know what I'm thinking. Try being honest for once. You said a bunch of stupid **** that's not true now you're trying to pretend it is by saying I don't believe what I very clearly stated that I believe.

You aren't honest and that means I have no time for you. Have fun spreading lies.
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You believe in a bunch of stupid **** like the Russian Trump collusion conspiracy but are trying to say you accept Clinton was a lousier candidate. What a load of crap.You might say you believe Clinton was a lousier candidate,but he fact you hang on to idiotic conspiracy theories says otherwise.
 
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