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DACA decision highlights chasm between Trump’s compassionate rhetoric and reality

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DACA decision highlights chasm between Trump’s compassionate rhetoric and reality

By James Hohmann September 5, 2017

At the Republican National Convention last summer, Donald Trump said he’d “do everything in my power to protect our LGBT citizens.” Then he rescinded protections for trans students in public schools and issued orders to bar transgender people from the armed forces. Trump pronounced the House’s health-care bill “mean,” but that did not stop him from whipping votes for the measure and holding a rally in the Rose Garden to celebrate its passage. At a February news conference, Trump was asked about fears in the Hispanic community that he might get rid of the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program. “We’re going to show great heart,” the president promised. “DACA is a very, very difficult subject for me. … You have these incredible kids, in many cases … They were brought here … We are going to deal with DACA with heart … because, you know, I love these kids. I love kids! I have kids and grandkids.” Today the Trump administration is expected to announce plans to end the DACA program, which has allowed nearly 800,000 undocumented people who were brought to the United States as minors to live and work in the country without fear of deportation.

Trump has often talked about the need to be compassionate on social issues, but his rhetoric hasn’t matched reality as he has repeatedly acceded to the wishes of his dwindling base since taking office. The president often said before he became a candidate that it would be unrealistic to deport people who have spent decades in the United States, especially children. “You have people in this country for 20 years: They’ve done a great job, they’ve done wonderfully, they’ve gone to school, they’ve gotten good marks (and) they’re productive,” he said in a 2011 interview on Fox News. “Now we’re supposed to send them out of the country? I don’t believe in that.”
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No one with even half a brain can believe there exists a 'compassionate' Donald Trump. After all, this is the same Donald Trump that has pardoned the convicted Arizona-desert prison-camp king, Sheriff Joe Arpaio.

No pardon for the DACA children though.

Trump doesn't even have the courage to own his DACA decision. He has ordered Attorney General Jeff Sessions to deliver Trumps verdict - not from the White House - but from the Department of Justice.

Sessions is under strict orders to take no questions.
 
45 has no soul. He just has an open sore.
 
Rogue Valley said:
DACA decision highlights chasm between Trump’s compassionate rhetoric and reality



No one with even half a brain can believe there exists a 'compassionate' Donald Trump. After all, this is the same Donald Trump that has pardoned the convicted Arizona-desert prison-camp king, Sheriff Joe Arpaio.

No pardon for the DACA children though.

Trump doesn't even have the courage to own his DACA decision. He has ordered Attorney General Jeff Sessions to deliver Trumps verdict - not from the White House - but from the Department of Justice.

Sessions is under strict orders to take no questions.
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DACA was an executive order, he's ending that order and giving the proper body the time to craft a more proper legislative solution.

DACA never should have been, enforce the laws as written or change the laws. If you need to be mad at anyone, be mad at the ones who are to blame for their plight, their parents.
 
Renae said:
DACA was an executive order, he's ending that order and giving the proper body the time to craft a more proper legislative solution.

DACA never should have been, enforce the laws as written or change the laws. If you need to be mad at anyone, be mad at the ones who are to blame for their plight, their parents.
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And you have a valid point, but that isn't what Trump campaigned on now is it? He is proving just what others like myself have said, he just said what he did to get elected. One of his most prophetic comments was "What do you have to lose" by electing him? Well people are finding out, quite a bit. He is no friend of the LGBT community and definitely no friend to the black and latino communities either.
 
Rogue Valley said:
DACA decision highlights chasm between Trump’s compassionate rhetoric and reality



No one with even half a brain can believe there exists a 'compassionate' Donald Trump. After all, this is the same Donald Trump that has pardoned the convicted Arizona-desert prison-camp king, Sheriff Joe Arpaio.

No pardon for the DACA children though.

Trump doesn't even have the courage to own his DACA decision. He has ordered Attorney General Jeff Sessions to deliver Trumps verdict - not from the White House - but from the Department of Justice.

Sessions is under strict orders to take no questions.
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The Chickens have come Home to Roost
 
Just more proof who is running the GOP, the very far right. All 3 examples in this thread Trump caved to the far right. Everyone else has abandoned him. The Moderates, the Indy's, most of the Republicans in the Senate.


He HAS to keep the far right on his side or he's gone.
 
Praxas said:
And you have a valid point, but that isn't what Trump campaigned on now is it? He is proving just what others like myself have said, he just said what he did to get elected. One of his most prophetic comments was "What do you have to lose" by electing him? Well people are finding out, quite a bit. He is no friend of the LGBT community and definitely no friend to the black and latino communities either.
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Sure he is, your idea of "Friend" is warped.
 
Renae said:
Sure he is, your idea of "Friend" is warped.
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No it isn't, unlike his supporters I don't have my head up his ass licking what he had for breakfast.
 
Praxas said:
And you have a valid point, but that isn't what Trump campaigned on now is it? He is proving just what others like myself have said, he just said what he did to get elected. One of his most prophetic comments was "What do you have to lose" by electing him? Well people are finding out, quite a bit. He is no friend of the LGBT community and definitely no friend to the black and latino communities either.
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Don't worry, once he's done screwing the Latino Community, he'll go beck to his favorite sport, screwing with the Black Community.
 
Rogue Valley said:
DACA decision highlights chasm between Trump’s compassionate rhetoric and reality



No one with even half a brain can believe there exists a 'compassionate' Donald Trump. After all, this is the same Donald Trump that has pardoned the convicted Arizona-desert prison-camp king, Sheriff Joe Arpaio.

No pardon for the DACA children though.

Trump doesn't even have the courage to own his DACA decision. He has ordered Attorney General Jeff Sessions to deliver Trumps verdict - not from the White House - but from the Department of Justice.

Sessions is under strict orders to take no questions.
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It isn't really a question of pardon, you know. Though, I would prefer allowing these individuals to stay as long as they are not criminals, he did promise action. Liberals did not motivate their potential voters to resist and losers shouldn't gripe all the time.
 
Cigar said:
Don't worry, once he's done screwing the Latino Community, he'll go beck to his favorite sport, screwing with the Black Community.
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Why do you say he is screwing the Latinos? It doesn't look like that at all. While I would prefer grandfathering this group as long as the individual is not criminal, He was elected on that promise among others. Die liberals were not interested enough to turn out the indifferent votes and losers are losers. So don't whine, if the man actually does, what he was mandated to do.
 
This is just more meat for his base. Even if the congress does something to help he can blame them for keeping the dreamers. He is just plain gutless. He got 5 deferments to stay out of VietNam and now he is using congress to stay out of the final decision on DACA.
 
Praxas said:
No it isn't, unlike his supporters I don't have my head up his ass licking what he had for breakfast.
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Intersting, so that's what you've been doing for the last 8 years with Obama... ya'll are weird.
 
joG said:
Why do you say he is screwing the Latinos? It doesn't look like that at all. While I would prefer grandfathering this group as long as the individual is not criminal, He was elected on that promise among others. Die liberals were not interested enough to turn out the indifferent votes and losers are losers. So don't whine, if the man actually does, what he was mandated to do.
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Well My Wife is Latino and I have quite a few family members and friends who are Latino ... "they" say so.
 
joG said:
Why do you say he is screwing the Latinos? It doesn't look like that at all. While I would prefer grandfathering this group as long as the individual is not criminal, He was elected on that promise among others. Die liberals were not interested enough to turn out the indifferent votes and losers are losers. So don't whine, if the man actually does, what he was mandated to do.
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How, exactly, do you "grandfather" illegal alien children without also agreeing not to deport their illegal alien parents? You simply cannot expect children to supervise and support themselves no matter how you pretend that will "work itself out". This DACA idea seems to have created "anchor" toddlers through teenagers to add to "anchor" babies born (in the US) to illegal alien parents.
 
The democrats have had a lock on that for 50 years with no signs of giving it up.

Cigar said:
Don't worry, once he's done screwing the Latino Community, he'll go beck to his favorite sport, screwing with the Black Community.
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Don’t be fooled by the scam that Trump will pull today on DACA


let’s be clear on what this six-month delay actually does and does not do. Because of the logistical realities that attend winding down these protections, announcing this on a “six-month delay” is very likely to be identical in practical terms to announcing it today for a large majority of those 800,000 people. And for that large majority, it means they are losing their protections in the very near future, upending the lives of hundreds of thousands who currently are working or pursuing an education and had hoped to continue making positive contributions to American life.
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Even if you buy some of the more dubious anti-immigration arguments, none of them apply to the DREAMers. They're not low-skilled; they're not culturally alien -- they grew up here! They didn't break the law by coming, since parents brought them. Why punish them? We know the answer, of course -- it's about race -- making America white again -- plus acting tough for the sake of acting tough.
 
Praxas said:
No it isn't, unlike his supporters I don't have my head up his ass licking what he had for breakfast.
Renae said:
Intersting, so that's what you've been doing for the last 8 years with Obama... ya'll are weird.
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The reality is that many of Obama's critics were those that voted for him.
 
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Rogue Valley said:
DACA decision highlights chasm between Trump’s compassionate rhetoric and reality



No one with even half a brain can believe there exists a 'compassionate' Donald Trump. After all, this is the same Donald Trump that has pardoned the convicted Arizona-desert prison-camp king, Sheriff Joe Arpaio.

No pardon for the DACA children though.

Trump doesn't even have the courage to own his DACA decision. He has ordered Attorney General Jeff Sessions to deliver Trumps verdict - not from the White House - but from the Department of Justice.

Sessions is under strict orders to take no questions.
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*sigh*


reality

DACA was an EO that would never stand up to a court challenge. so he rescinds it and tells congress if they want this they have 6 months to come up with something.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
*sigh*


reality

DACA was an EO that would never stand up to a court challenge. so he rescinds it and tells congress if they want this they have 6 months to come up with something.
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So, your argument isn't that DACA was a bad idea, it just wasn't legally implemented? If so, why not leave it alone and see if it is challenged?
 
MTAtech said:
So, your argument isn't that DACA was a bad idea, it just wasn't legally implemented? If so, why not leave it alone and see if it is challenged?
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There are several lawsuits in progress, I think we should not reward illegal aliens but thats just me.


What trump is doing, is doing the governments business the lawful way, not EO way which was way overreach of executive power/
 
Rogue Valley said:
DACA decision highlights chasm between Trump’s compassionate rhetoric and reality


No one with even half a brain can believe there exists a 'compassionate' Donald Trump. After all, this is the same Donald Trump that has pardoned the convicted Arizona-desert prison-camp king, Sheriff Joe Arpaio.

No pardon for the DACA children though.

Trump doesn't even have the courage to own his DACA decision. He has ordered Attorney General Jeff Sessions to deliver Trumps verdict - not from the White House - but from the Department of Justice.

Sessions is under strict orders to take no questions.
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I love it when someone starts out a post with a statement like, "no one with even half a brain can believe..." Just outright insult anyone that disagrees with you from the start. President Trump has given the Congress six months to pass legislation on how this should be handled or the administration is to enforce the laws, as they are written. Why is this a problem? We have laws on the books. These laws were passed with the intention that they be enforced. If President Trump had no compassion for these people that were put in this position by President Obama, he'd simply have ended the program as of yesterday. He didn't. He gave the Congress six months to figure it out.
 
MTAtech said:
So, your argument isn't that DACA was a bad idea, it just wasn't legally implemented? If so, why not leave it alone and see if it is challenged?
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It has to some extent. Simple broad search.

https://www.google.com/search?sourc....64.psy-ab..0.20.2019...0j0i131k1.eLoJ-Ug63wA

"The U.S. Supreme Court’s 4-4 split decision on June 23, 2016, effectively blocked President Obama’s executive actions on immigration that expanded Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) and created Deferred Action for Parents of Americans (DAPA)."

I watched a follow up discussion with a DACA supporter on the local news after the AG gave his speech. It still fascinates me how illegal immigration supporters just use the word immigration/immigrant. The supporters seem to have a problem separating legal and illegal immigration.

The children of illegal immigrants do present an interesting issue that has been ignored for years and years. Congress makes the laws. The failure to address illegal immigration for so many years has come home to roost. The issue should not be solved by EO, but by Congress updating and improving our immigration laws.

I could support setting a path to citizenship for those children who were brought into the US illegally many years ago. However I do not support extending that to those who entered the US illegal recently (last 10 years?).

All political parties and Presidents are to blame for this mess.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
There are several lawsuits in progress, I think we should not reward illegal aliens but thats just me.


What trump is doing, is doing the governments business the lawful way, not EO way which was way overreach of executive power/
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Right, several lawsuits that are claiming that this president can't change or remove an action done by a previous president.
 
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