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DACA decision highlights chasm between Trump’s compassionate rhetoric and reality

ttwtt78640 said:
How, exactly, do you "grandfather" illegal alien children without also agreeing not to deport their illegal alien parents? You simply cannot expect children to supervise and support themselves no matter how you pretend that will "work itself out". This DACA idea seems to have created "anchor" toddlers through teenagers to add to "anchor" babies born (in the US) to illegal alien parents.
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The majority of these people covered by DACA are "children" any longer. DACA requirements were that the "child" came here before their 16th birthday and prior to June 2007. They were never given citizenship but rather two year work permits that had to be renewed. The Democrats lost the election. Now, it is up to President Donald J Trump if he wants to continue this program. Had President Obama gotten this passed by the Congress when his party had total control, it would be law.
 
Southern Dad said:
Which is going to take some bipartisan action. It is going to take Democrats and Republicans coming together to negotiate deals in both houses of Congress.
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good luck to them. EO is illegal and would not have stood up in court.
 
Southern Dad said:
Right, several lawsuits that are claiming that this president can't change or remove an action done by a previous president.
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The lawsuits will fail:

The President can cancel, modify or supersede any EO.
Congress can cancel, modify or supersede any EO. President can veto the action. Then Congress can try to override the veto.
Courts can declare the EO illegal or unconstitutional.
 
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Southern Dad said:
The majority of these people covered by DACA are "children" any longer. DACA requirements were that the "child" came here before their 16th birthday and prior to June 2007. They were never given citizenship but rather two year work permits that had to be renewed. The Democrats lost the election. Now, it is up to President Donald J Trump if he wants to continue this program. Had President Obama gotten this passed by the Congress when his party had total control, it would be law.
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If a child was a 1 year old in 2007 then they are now 11 years old and likely still under the care of illegal aliens. The odds that congress critters would use the 6/15/2007 and 6/15/2012 dates (the Obama invented 5 year window) in any "DACA like" bill passed in the next few month's are slim to none. The bigger issue is - Who else is (must?) not be deportable in order to care for these "dreamy" (no longer illegal alien) children? Few want to even address that much larger issue - do we now reward illegal alien parents that brought their minor children along on their great (but illegal) US adventure?
 
Praxas said:
No it isn't, unlike his supporters I don't have my head up his ass licking what he had for breakfast.
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This is debate politics, anything can be debated.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
If a child was a 1 year old in 2007 then they are now 11 years old and likely still under the care of illegal aliens. The odds that congress critters would use the 6/15/2007 and 6/15/2012 dates (the Obama invented 5 year window) in any "DACA like" bill passed in the next few month's are slim to none. The bigger issue is - Who else is (must?) not be deportable in order to care for these "dreamy" (no longer illegal alien) children? Few want to even address that much larger issue - do we now reward illegal alien parents that brought their minor children along on their great (but illegal) US adventure?
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That is why I said "the majority" of these people. If the Congress can't pass a bill in the next six months, then the law is already on the books. They get deported.
 
Rogue Valley said:
DACA decision highlights chasm between Trump’s compassionate rhetoric and reality



No one with even half a brain can believe there exists a 'compassionate' Donald Trump. After all, this is the same Donald Trump that has pardoned the convicted Arizona-desert prison-camp king, Sheriff Joe Arpaio.

No pardon for the DACA children though.

Trump doesn't even have the courage to own his DACA decision. He has ordered Attorney General Jeff Sessions to deliver Trumps verdict - not from the White House - but from the Department of Justice.

Sessions is under strict orders to take no questions.
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There's no reason anyone should ever trust anything Trump says. He goes by what he thinks is going to get play in the media, particularly if it can distract from any of the ongoing investigations.

That being said, the DACA program was an EO and EO's are easily rescinded by the next guy. Not only that, this was something that needed to have gone through Congress in the first place. So to Congress it goes. As I understand it, DACA is not taking any new applications, but those who have it will be able to keep it for now. There's a deadline in 6 months, and that's how long Congress will have to get something in place, and anyone who's DACA...license?...will expire by then can get a 2 year extension now.

So really, this is in Congress' court, as it should have been from the get go, and we'll see how it turns out.
 
It's going to be great theater watching the next president trash all of Trumps EOs.
 
Rogue Valley said:
DACA decision highlights chasm between Trump’s compassionate rhetoric and reality



No one with even half a brain can believe there exists a 'compassionate' Donald Trump. After all, this is the same Donald Trump that has pardoned the convicted Arizona-desert prison-camp king, Sheriff Joe Arpaio.

No pardon for the DACA children though.

Trump doesn't even have the courage to own his DACA decision. He has ordered Attorney General Jeff Sessions to deliver Trumps verdict - not from the White House - but from the Department of Justice.

Sessions is under strict orders to take no questions.
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So in your opinion it is better to leave the DACA children in limbo? Wasn't DACA meant to be a temporary fix, so Congress could work on the solution. It is interesting that Obama did nothing his first term for this issue till reelection time. Could it be he "Latino" support was starting to all?

Obama had a chance when the Dems controlled both houses to do something. He did not. Past Presidents had a chance to do something and they did not work with Congress to get something done. So go ahead and trash Trump. DACA needs to expire.

I might agree more with some of your opinions, but your "half a brain" statement takes away from your opinion.
 
Trumps DACA decision orders an end to an unconstitutional EO but gives congress 60 days to find a legislative fix.

Why does that have so many of you in a tizzy? Geee zus...its like you are desperate to find something to **** yourself over.
 
Rogue Valley said:
DACA decision highlights chasm between Trump’s compassionate rhetoric and reality



No one with even half a brain can believe there exists a 'compassionate' Donald Trump. After all, this is the same Donald Trump that has pardoned the convicted Arizona-desert prison-camp king, Sheriff Joe Arpaio.

No pardon for the DACA children though.

Trump doesn't even have the courage to own his DACA decision. He has ordered Attorney General Jeff Sessions to deliver Trumps verdict - not from the White House - but from the Department of Justice.

Sessions is under strict orders to take no questions.
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DACA was nothing but an executive order. It wasn't legislation. DACA was a way for President Obama to bypass congress which the constitution, Article I, Section 8 give congress the power over immigration and naturalization. Not the administrative branch. If President Obama had gone the constitutional route instead of trying to do things with just executive orders which can be rescinded by any future president because it doesn't have the strength of law or legislation. If President Obama had gone the constitutional route instead, Trump couldn't have done a thing to DACA without congressional action.

All DACA was is a set of guidelines in how to enforce or in this case not to enforce previous passed immigration laws. If anyone is to blame, it is trying to legislate via executive order, bypassing proper constitutional channels, leaving everyone who was covered by the new guidelines of enforcement/non enforcement of current law in a lurch if a future president decides he doesn't like that executive order.

Moral of the story, follow the dang constitution and things like this won't happen.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
How, exactly, do you "grandfather" illegal alien children without also agreeing not to deport their illegal alien parents? You simply cannot expect children to supervise and support themselves no matter how you pretend that will "work itself out". This DACA idea seems to have created "anchor" toddlers through teenagers to add to "anchor" babies born (in the US) to illegal alien parents.
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I have no real problem with anchor babies. They are and should be citizens. But one might want to think about a system of fines to make the parents etc legal.
 
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