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Can we all at least agree that it's a FACT that Trump repeatedly lied about Russia?

Re: Can we all at least agree that it's a FACT that Trump repeatedly lied about Russi

We argue about lots of things but can we at least agree that Trump repeatedly lied about his business with Russia and his relationship with Russia?

This is no liberal media conspiracy. This is Trump's words vs Trump's words:


Trump on Letterman in 2013 saying he does "a lot of business with Russia" and he met Putin once



Trump denies business with Russians or meeting Putin...




At least one Trump must be lying since they both contradict each other.

I'm assuming we live in some common objective reality. So, can we at least admit that Trump lied repeatedly about Russia?



Here Are Trump’s 3 Biggest Lies About the Russia Scandal – Mother Jones


He didn't sale them Uranium did he.
We all lie, let the folks that never lie be the ones that condemn our President for his lies.


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Re: Can we all at least agree that it's a FACT that Trump repeatedly lied about Russi

We argue about lots of things but can we at least agree that Trump repeatedly lied about his business with Russia and his relationship with Russia?

Yup, he lied.
 
Re: Can we all at least agree that it's a FACT that Trump repeatedly lied about Russi

He is a crap checkers player. He's just very very good at marketing. I've said that from the beginning. The entire election was a joke. It was literally the most hated disliked democrat ever against the most disliked Republican ever. If either side had picked someone likable or even just not unlikable they'd have won in a landslide. Also, I'd love to hear an answer on this that I haven't been able to get out of anyone.

What political accomplishments has Trump gained where he couldn't have done the same thing or better without all of the lying and divisiveness? He could have easily gotten his SC nominee through either way, he can roll back the regulations he wants either way, he would have probably gotten further with healthcare repeal, funding the wall, increased border security etc. etc. Nothing that he's done so far requires him being a dick or lying so much. So please explain the genius behind some of his actions. I'm all ears.

There is no genius, it is just plain arrogance, IMO.
 
Re: Can we all at least agree that it's a FACT that Trump repeatedly lied about Russi

I know right?
Move to where the jobs are.

There, do I get a humanitarian award and get to be president for helping the rural folk? Wait, Trump is telling them that he'll bring jobs to them? Oh lordy.

I lived in a rural area. I moved to the city and never went without work again.
It comes at a cost, but I didn't want my cake and eat it too.


They why do cities seem to be ground zero for poverty and homelessness?
 
Re: Can we all at least agree that it's a FACT that Trump repeatedly lied about Russi

In other words, you have faith in Trump. His ways are beyond our understanding. We just need to trust him. We should ignore that he's repeatedly lying about his relationship with our geopolitical enemy.

You sound like you're in a cult.

You still haven't answered: Did Trump lie about Russia?



No. those are your words. How you got that out of what he said is just a good example of how words are twisted to fit a narrative. Good job.
 
Re: Can we all at least agree that it's a FACT that Trump repeatedly lied about Russi

He's repeatedly lied period.
 
Re: Can we all at least agree that it's a FACT that Trump repeatedly lied about Russi

Is this an acknowledgement of Obama being a habitual liar?

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Not sure how you even came to that conclusion. It's an acknowledgment that the right wing just simply doesn't seem to care about lying. Not enough to judge him for it anyways.
 
Re: Can we all at least agree that it's a FACT that Trump repeatedly lied about Russi

Im sorry why am I suppose to drop my support from him this week?
I cant keep up with doing as Im told by you, sometimes I ned you to remind me why I feel like I do

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Can you give an example of something he can do that would cause you to drop support?
 
Re: Can we all at least agree that it's a FACT that Trump repeatedly lied about Russi

They why do cities seem to be ground zero for poverty and homelessness?

There's more people, therefore it's more visible. There's also more infrastructure available to support them.
 
Re: Can we all at least agree that it's a FACT that Trump repeatedly lied about Russi

He didn't sale them Uranium did he.
We all lie, let the folks that never lie be the ones that condemn our President for his lies.


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Neither did Hillary

A company that produces uranium in the US was sold to a Russian company. Russia itself does not need to source it's uranium from the US for use in Russia. It has more than enough domestic supplies and vastly more than enough in neighboring Kazakhstan
 
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They why do cities seem to be ground zero for poverty and homelessness?

It is visible in the cities

Rural poverty is quite high, in the rural south east, in the west especially on reserves. The homelessness can be hidden in rural forested areas with camps being created in the forested areas. Can not quite do that in New York City.

Last but not least, I expect rural area's bus their homeless out of their communities into the cities. Cities used to do this 20 years ago to other cities, I do not know if they still do. Cities also have services to help the homeless that rural communities do not (or at least as much as )
 
Re: Can we all at least agree that it's a FACT that Trump repeatedly lied about Russi

They why do cities seem to be ground zero for poverty and homelessness?
Because you listen to too much right wing media? :p
Yeah, don't move to a poor city like Detroit or Philadelphia. Move to one that's doing well, growing ideally. Use this internet contraption to help :) I know you're not likely asking for "how to", so skip as needed.

If you look up a stat on a city like Dallas proper, that's old city (mostly) Cities even when doing well have some areas, often near downtown, that are poor.
They also have a few insanely upscale areas near downtown that are pointless to live in unless you inherit, have a job downtown and can afford it, save on public schools vs private, or are vain :) Think Beverly Hills type.

But hen there is city after city after city, enter counties, often new and shiny, just basically full of suburban areas, so large and sprawling, low crime, you may never see downtown unless you go to some tourist/museum. Often well planned too, everything near your house, 9/10 and 10/10 rated public schools. What's not to love?

The ratio of people in surrounding suburbs to the inner city poor is enormous for a city that is doing well. The idea that the area is a "hotbed of crime and poverty" is so far off the mark I don't know what else to say. Even the people that live downtown in those high dollar zip codes often feel the tradeoff is worth it, they pay so much in taxes their public schools are better than a lot of private schools, they often have restaurants that are a high percentage of non-chain types, and the trees and and such are mature and old=good. Not my cup of tea, I prefer new and shiny, but there it is.

Some resources.
Poverty Map

Big cities typically have a few old areas, and the rest do quite well. You can also look up fastest growing cities, median household income, etc., to get a feel. Growth is a big indicator as long as its not a bubble.

Then once you narrow it down, you can hit the city-data forums, and post the areas you're thinking about. People familiar with those areas will give you the low-down, comparison, etc., school talk, etc.
From there, you have a pretty good idea of what to expect.

Our modern era demands moving to the job, not waiting for jobs to come to you. It has costs, but benefits as well. Family spread out is the biggest con IMO.
 
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Im sorry why am I suppose to drop my support from him this week? I cant keep up with doing as Im told by you, sometimes I ned you to remind me why I feel like I do
If you made it this far with Trump, I'm not expecting you to do anything but cheer him on (see above).
 
Re: Can we all at least agree that it's a FACT that Trump repeatedly lied about Russi

In other words, you have faith in Trump. His ways are beyond our understanding. We just need to trust him. We should ignore that he's repeatedly lying about his relationship with our geopolitical enemy.

You sound like you're in a cult.

You still haven't answered: Did Trump lie about Russia?

I know, right? Straight outta the bible. Trump has branded God. Winning!
 
Re: Can we all at least agree that it's a FACT that Trump repeatedly lied about Russi

We argue about lots of things but can we at least agree that Trump repeatedly lied about his business with Russia and his relationship with Russia?

This is no liberal media conspiracy. This is Trump's words vs Trump's words:


Trump on Letterman in 2013 saying he does "a lot of business with Russia" and he met Putin once



Trump denies business with Russians or meeting Putin...




At least one Trump must be lying since they both contradict each other.

I'm assuming we live in some common objective reality. So, can we at least admit that Trump lied repeatedly about Russia?



Here Are Trump’s 3 Biggest Lies About the Russia Scandal – Mother Jones


In my opinion, every word spoken by every politician is a lie. I've gotten accustomed to it. I pay no attention at all to what politicians say, only what they do. Perhaps you should too.
 
Re: Can we all at least agree that it's a FACT that Trump repeatedly lied about Russi

In my opinion, every word spoken by every politician is a lie. I've gotten accustomed to it. I pay no attention at all to what politicians say, only what they do. Perhaps you should too.

That's BS. Everyone lies but not everyone is a liar.

Trump is the biggest liar we've ever seen. His entire campaign was a lie. If we don't throw his lying butt out we'll get more Trumps. Others will realize that it's open season on lying.

Trump said he was against the Iraq war but that was lie.
Trump University was a scam.
Trump said he would release his tax returns but never did.
Trump said he wouldn't golf because he would be too busy working. He golfed more than anyone.
 
Re: Can we all at least agree that it's a FACT that Trump repeatedly lied about Russi

That's BS. Everyone lies but not everyone is a liar.

Solid logic there. ;) Your hatred of Trump is noted.
 
Re: Can we all at least agree that it's a FACT that Trump repeatedly lied about Russi

If you made it this far with Trump, I'm not expecting you to do anything but cheer him on (see above).
So far he has been a decent President. You have not presented a rational reason for me to be upset with him. You seem to think your opinion is the only one that matters and everyone should hates Trump just because you hate him. It does not work that way and you trying to shame people for disagreeing with you is rather disgusting.

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Re: Can we all at least agree that it's a FACT that Trump repeatedly lied about Russi

Solid logic there. ;) Your hatred of Trump is noted.

It is solid logic. Every human being lies but that doesn't mean everyone is equally dishonest.

You can't defend Trump by pointing to lies that other people have told. Trump's list of lies are staggering and documented.

Donald Trump said:
An 'extremely credible source' has called my office and told me that @BarackObama's birth certificate is a fraud.

Hmm...an extremely credible source, huh?

If I were a con man, I would get a list of Trump supporters and try to sell them swamp land because it's obvious they can't spot a con.
 
Re: Can we all at least agree that it's a FACT that Trump repeatedly lied about Russi

It is solid logic. Every human being lies but that doesn't mean everyone is equally dishonest.

You can't defend Trump by pointing to lies that other people have told. Trump's list of lies are staggering and documented.



Hmm...an extremely credible source, huh?

If I were a con man, I would get a list of Trump supporters and try to sell them swamp land because it's obvious they can't spot a con.
I have yet to see this staggering list of lies that you claim exists.

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Re: Can we all at least agree that it's a FACT that Trump repeatedly lied about Russi

We argue about lots of things but can we at least agree that Trump repeatedly lied about his business with Russia and his relationship with Russia?

This is no liberal media conspiracy. This is Trump's words vs Trump's words:


Trump on Letterman in 2013 saying he does "a lot of business with Russia" and he met Putin once



Trump denies business with Russians or meeting Putin...




At least one Trump must be lying since they both contradict each other.

I'm assuming we live in some common objective reality. So, can we at least admit that Trump lied repeatedly about Russia?



Here Are Trump’s 3 Biggest Lies About the Russia Scandal – Mother Jones


I don't think it is really lying in the usual sense anymore than Trump is a usual politician.
 
Re: Can we all at least agree that it's a FACT that Trump repeatedly lied about Russi

I don't think it is really lying in the usual sense anymore than Trump is a usual politician.

It's worse than ordinary lying about an affair or your education. Here Trump is lying to hide the fact that he has business interests in Russia which motivate his policy on Russia.

How is that any different than taking bribes? Either way you're basing your policy decisions on your personal financial benefits.

Most politicians who take bribes or hide financial conflicts are just thieves. Trump is not just being a thief he's also endangering national security. That much worse.

The tragic thing, is all the voters who don't care. Their too proud to admit they voted for a fraud. They would rather risk our national security than admit to making a mistake.
 
Re: Can we all at least agree that it's a FACT that Trump repeatedly lied about Russi

It's amazing how smoothly and without introspection Trump supporters transitioned from "Hillary Clinton is the Queen of Lies" to "All politicians lie." I wonder how receptive they would have been to that argument last year. My guess is, not particularly receptive.
 
Re: Can we all at least agree that it's a FACT that Trump repeatedly lied about Russi

It's worse than ordinary lying about an affair or your education. Here Trump is lying to hide the fact that he has business interests in Russia which motivate his policy on Russia.

How is that any different than taking bribes? Either way you're basing your policy decisions on your personal financial benefits.

Most politicians who take bribes or hide financial conflicts are just thieves. Trump is not just being a thief he's also endangering national security. That much worse.

The tragic thing, is all the voters who don't care. Their too proud to admit they voted for a fraud. They would rather risk our national security than admit to making a mistake.

You think? Interesting.
 
Re: Can we all at least agree that it's a FACT that Trump repeatedly lied about Russi

It is solid logic. Every human being lies but that doesn't mean everyone is equally dishonest.

You can't defend Trump by pointing to lies that other people have told. Trump's list of lies are staggering and documented.



Hmm...an extremely credible source, huh?

If I were a con man, I would get a list of Trump supporters and try to sell them swamp land because it's obvious they can't spot a con.

I think you can find better lies than that one. How do you know that someone that Trump viewed as credible didn't tell him that? Whether it is true or not, it doesn't necessarily have to be a lie. Perhaps it was. I don't know. Neither do you.
 
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