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Trump was working on business deals with Russia during campaign

SonOfDaedalus

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Trump's supporters keep asking where's the evidence. Well here it is. A presidential candidate who is secretly trying to cut business deals with a foreign government while running for president. A president promoting a foreign country's interests for his own personal profit.

This is totally unacceptable conflict of interest. This is the swamp overflowing. He should be impeached based on this alone.

A top executive from Donald Trump’s real estate company emailed Vladi*mir Putin’s personal spokesman during the U.S. presidential campaign last year to ask for help advancing a stalled Trump Tower development project in Moscow, according to documents submitted to Congress Monday.

Michael Cohen, a Trump attorney and executive vice president for the Trump Organization, sent the email in January 2016 to Dmitry Peskov, the Kremlin’s top press aide.

“Over the past few months I have been working with a company based in Russia regarding the development of a Trump Tower - Moscow project in Moscow City,” Cohen wrote Peskov, according to a person familiar with the email. “Without getting into lengthy specifics the communication between our two sides has stalled.”

“As this project is too important, I am hereby requesting your assistance. I respectfully request someone, preferably you, contact me so that I might discuss the specifics as well as arranging meetings with the appropriate individuals. I thank you in advance for your assistance and look forward to hearing from you soon,” Cohen wrote.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...2cc069f2c37_story.html?utm_term=.1591045d9481
 
I never expected Trump to close up his businesses as he asked to be our President.

Expecting that would be unreasonable.
 
Impeached, huh?

Well, he wasn't president when this happened and nobody thought he'd ever be president. That's one. Two is that the deal was abandoned two weeks after the email.

One day some lefty is going to rip their joint off while jacking it to one of these stories.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
I never expected Trump to close up his businesses as he asked to be our President.

Expecting that would be unreasonable.
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Unreasonable is doing what every other President has done ever? Really now. What's next, are you going to tell me that it's unreasonable that Trump follow the law?
 
Lutherf said:
Impeached, huh?

Well, he wasn't president when this happened and nobody thought he'd ever be president. That's one. Two is that the deal was abandoned two weeks after the email.

One day some lefty is going to rip their joint off while jacking it to one of these stories.
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Trump was pushing pro-Russian policies while pursuing business deals in Russia. That's not a conflict of interest? Isn't the swamp all about politicians with business interests creating policy to promote their own interests?

Isn't the core of all government corruption about politicians who create policy to suit their business interests instead of the good of their country?

This is corruption to the core. There is no other way to look at it.
 
Lutherf said:
Impeached, huh?

Well, he wasn't president when this happened and nobody thought he'd ever be president. That's one. Two is that the deal was abandoned two weeks after the email.

One day some lefty is going to rip their joint off while jacking it to one of these stories.
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You said there was no collusion.
 
The proverbial tip of the Trump/Russian mafia iceberg.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
I never expected Trump to close up his businesses as he asked to be our President.

Expecting that would be unreasonable.
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Unless it was a Black President ... then it would have been.
 
ModerateGOP said:
Unreasonable is doing what every other President has done ever? Really now. What's next, are you going to tell me that it's unreasonable that Trump follow the law?
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The customs were set to deal with professional politicians asking for the job, not guys like Trump.

Our expectations must be reasonable, this idea that Trump should give up everything he had spent his life building because he wanted to serve us as President is so unreasonable as to be abusive, even more so because there were maybe a dozen people at most who thought that he might win.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
The customs were set to deal with professional politicians asking for the job, not guys like Trump.

Our expectations must be reasonable, this idea that Trump should give up everything he had spent his life building because he wanted to serve us as President is so unreasonable as to be abusive, even more so because there were maybe a dozen people at most who thought that he might win.
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So what? That proves character, and a willingness to serve. It's clear Trump doesn't have either. Mitt Romney put everything in a blind trust and he gave up his job at his firm. He had much better chances at winning than Trump did, but he still followed traditions.
 
ModerateGOP said:
So what? That proves character, and a willingness to serve. It's clear Trump doesn't have either. Mitt Romney put everything in a blind trust and he gave up his job at his firm. He had much better chances at winning than Trump did, but he still followed traditions.
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The sacrifice the nation asks of those who serve must be reasonable.

Full Stop.
 
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Russia! Russia!! RUSSIA!!
 
Hawkeye10 said:
The sacrifice the nation asks of those who serve must be reasonable.

Full Stop.
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You do realize that Jimmy Carter literally sold his self made business so as to not be compromised as president? And even then the Republicans investigated him for things having to do with his old business? At the very least do you think it's reasonable for the american people to expect the president to disclose business deals that are in the works and for him not to lie and say he has absolutely no deals in Russia when he actually does?
 
Hawkeye10 said:
The sacrifice the nation asks of those who serve must be reasonable.

Full Stop.
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Other presidents have been able to do it. Why can't Trump? Just place your business in a blind trust.

And at the very least you shouldn't be promoting the interests of foreign country for your own personal profit.

How can you deny that that is exactly the kind of corruption that the "swamp" is supposed to be?
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
Trump's supporters keep asking where's the evidence. Well here it is. A presidential candidate who is secretly trying to cut business deals with a foreign government while running for president. A president promoting a foreign country's interests for his own personal profit.

This is totally unacceptable conflict of interest. This is the swamp overflowing. He should be impeached based on this alone.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...2cc069f2c37_story.html?utm_term=.1591045d9481
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Anyone surprised?
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
Other presidents have been able to do it. Why can't Trump? Just place your business in a blind trust.

And at the very least you shouldn't be promoting the interests of foreign country for your own personal profit.

How can you deny that that is exactly the kind of corruption that the "swamp" is supposed to be?
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The swamp you say?

https://www.propublica.org/article/...rules-let-lobbyist-help-run-agency-he-lobbied

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/12/...s-now-theyre-on-his-transition-team.html?_r=0

http://time.com/donald-trump-drain-swamp/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...7d93165c6d4_story.html?utm_term=.c6f6ade76246

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-...ry-lobbyist-to-hud-transition-team-1480453288

https://theintercept.com/2017/01/27/coal-doj-trump/

http://fortune.com/2016/11/16/trump-lobbyists-dc-establishment/


Another of Don’s Swamp Rats Bails …

... just before publication of this New Yorker article. Must be "fake" n ****.

Icahn’s role was novel. He would be an adviser with a formal title, but he would not receive a salary, and he would not be required to divest himself of any of his holdings, or to make any disclosures about potential conflicts of interest. “Carl Icahn will be advising the President in his individual capacity,” Trump’s transition team asserted.

In the months after the election, the stock price of CVR, Icahn’s refiner, nearly doubled—a surge that is difficult to explain without acknowledging the appointment of the company’s lead shareholder to a White House position. The rally meant a personal benefit for Icahn, at least on paper, of half a billion dollars. There was an expectation in the market—an expectation created, in part, by Icahn’s own remarks—that, with Trump in the White House and Icahn playing consigliere, the rules were about to change, and not just at the E.P.A. Icahn’s empire ranges across many economic sectors, from energy to pharmaceuticals to auto supplies to mining, and all of them are governed by the types of regulations about which he would now potentially be advising Trump.

Janet McCabe, who left the E.P.A. in January, and now works at the Environmental Law and Policy Center, told me, “I’m not naïve. People in business try to influence the government. But the job of the government is to serve the American people, not the specific business interests of the President’s friends. To think that you have somebody with that kind of agenda bending the President’s ear is troubling.”

Conflicts of interest have been a defining trait of the Trump Administration. The President has not only refused to release his tax returns; he has declined to divest from his companies, instead putting them in a trust managed by his children. Questions have emerged about the ongoing business ties of his daughter and son-in-law, Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner, who, since Trump took office, have reaped nearly two hundred million dollars from the Trump hotel in Washington, D.C., and from other investments. Although Trump promised to “drain the swamp,” he has assembled a Cabinet of ultra-rich Americans, including two billionaires: Betsy DeVos, the Secretary of Education, and Wilbur Ross, the Secretary of Commerce.

But Icahn is worth more than the Trump family and all the members of the Cabinet combined—and, with no constraint on his license to counsel the President on regulations that might help his businesses, he was poised to become much richer. Robert Weissman, who runs the watchdog group Public Citizen, told me, “This kind of self-enrichment and influence over decision-making by an individual mogul who is simultaneously inside and outside the Administration is unprecedented. In terms of corruption, there’s nothing like it. Maybe ever.” In conversations with me, financiers who have worked with Icahn described his appointment as a kind of corporate raid on Washington. One said, “It’s the cheapest takeover Carl’s ever done.”

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/08/28/carl-icahns-failed-raid-on-washington
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
Other presidents have been able to do it. Why can't Trump? Just place your business in a blind trust.

And at the very least you shouldn't be promoting the interests of foreign country for your own personal profit.

How can you deny that that is exactly the kind of corruption that the "swamp" is supposed to be?
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Presidents have almost never put their businesses in Blind Trusts, because they never owned businesses.

When they have they have tended to sell them.

Trump has lots of them too many to sell.

Plus he would take huge loses.

And his kids would suffer.

NOT THE SAME
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
Other presidents have been able to do it. Why can't Trump? Just place your business in a blind trust.

And at the very least you shouldn't be promoting the interests of foreign country for your own personal profit.

How can you deny that that is exactly the kind of corruption that the "swamp" is supposed to be?
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I am astonished that you compare Trump to previous presidents who were all part of the "establishment", a thing Trump promised to break out of and "drain the swamp"


So, now you're saying he's no better than anyone who has come before and has become the establishment.

Turn around sucks don't it?
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
Trump's supporters keep asking where's the evidence. Well here it is. A presidential candidate who is secretly trying to cut business deals with a foreign government while running for president. A president promoting a foreign country's interests for his own personal profit.

This is totally unacceptable conflict of interest. This is the swamp overflowing. He should be impeached based on this alone.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...2cc069f2c37_story.html?utm_term=.1591045d9481
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If true, can you point out what would be illegal about a businessman continuing to conduct business even while running for office? And what would be impeachable about such action if it occurred before Trump's election?
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
Trump's supporters keep asking where's the evidence. Well here it is. A presidential candidate who is secretly trying to cut business deals with a foreign government while running for president. A president promoting a foreign country's interests for his own personal profit.

This is totally unacceptable conflict of interest. This is the swamp overflowing. He should be impeached based on this alone.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...2cc069f2c37_story.html?utm_term=.1591045d9481
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Can you ****ing IMAGINE his companynasking for help on a project stalled in bureaucracy?? Hang him, I say!

What point this DOES raise is that there should be an independent bureau, so,etching like the GAO, to investigate conflicts of interest that carried weight. You don't follow the recommendations, you cannot accept the nomination.
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
Trump was pushing pro-Russian policies while pursuing business deals in Russia. That's not a conflict of interest? Isn't the swamp all about politicians with business interests creating policy to promote their own interests?

Isn't the core of all government corruption about politicians who create policy to suit their business interests instead of the good of their country?

This is corruption to the core. There is no other way to look at it.
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Seriously? Having business dealings with entities in Russia is illegal and corrupt in America now? Better tell all those US business interests the feds are coming for them.

What policy did Trump create, prior to being elected, that suited his business interests instead of the good of the country? I'll bet none, since he wasn't President at the time and had no government legislative role.

What policy has President Trump created, since taking office, that has supported or furthered his business interests in Russia and what business interests, specifically, are you referring to?

From my reading of your comments in this thread, you are incensed and outraged for no reason other than it delights you to be incensed and outraged at a President you don't support and never will. That, by definition, is Trump Derangement Syndrome.
 
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