• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Automation: What Will Happen When All the Jobs Are Gone?

Zalatix

Zalatix

DP Veteran
Joined
Nov 16, 2012
Messages
3,228
Reaction score
662
Gender
Undisclosed
Political Leaning
Socialist
http://nymag.com/scienceofus/2015/06/what-will-happen-when-all-the-jobs-are-gone.html
Even though we’re in the midst of a tech revolution that has led to the loss of many jobs, at the moment most employed Americans still go to work at jobs that have been around for a long time: They’re nurses or cashiers or retail workers, and so on. But what’s going to happen if technology starts gobbling up these jobs as well, breaking us out of the employment cycles to which we’re accustomed and leading instead to a long downward trend in the availability of regular work?

That’s the question Derek Thompson explores in a fascinating cover story in this month’s The Atlantic. It’s about “A World Without Work,” as the headline reads, and the piece is very much worth reading (it also serves as a very useful complement to Jennifer Senior’s article from January about what people may be giving up as the center of work life shifts away from traditional offices).
Click to expand...
No need to read anymore of this - it's simple. As automation continues to shrink the job market, people will starve.

For most people, no job means no money, no money means no food. There will never be any basic guaranteed income because the wealthy will not allow it. There is no Star Trek future for humanity. Here's what will actually happen.

This is going to start when driverless trucks hit the road and 5 million drivers are put out of work in the near future. 100,000 new tech job openings will come from this. 4.9 million will have no work, and will starve and go homeless. The welfare system will be put under enormous strain, and in response there will be severe cuts. Conservative states will probably fight to abolish welfare, leaving these throngs of unemployed with no means to feed themselves.

Most of them will start scrambling to survive via GoFundMe. You'll see a large growth in the number of people trying to find patrons that they can somehow entertain or otherwise endear themselves to rich folks to get money to survive. Think of it as finding a sugar daddy, but usually without the sex. As automation takes over more sectors of the job market, these patron-hunting people will swell in numbers, and there will be enormous competition. Most men will find no one, and will starve. Women will have to resort to de-facto prostitution, where "usually without the sex" will evolve into "usually with sexual favors".

Up to half the country - or more - will ultimately be living like this.

That is America's future, I have called it, your kids or grandkids will be living it. Enjoy.
 
Zalatix said:
What Will Happen When All the Jobs Are Gone?

No need to read anymore of this - it's simple. As automation continues to shrink the job market, people will starve.

For most people, no job means no money, no money means no food. There will never be any basic guaranteed income because the wealthy will not allow it. There is no Star Trek future for humanity. Here's what will actually happen.

This is going to start when driverless trucks hit the road and 5 million drivers are put out of work in the near future. 100,000 new tech job openings will come from this. 4.9 million will have no work, and will starve and go homeless. The welfare system will be put under enormous strain, and in response there will be severe cuts. Conservative states will probably fight to abolish welfare, leaving these throngs of unemployed with no means to feed themselves.

Most of them will start scrambling to survive via GoFundMe. You'll see a large growth in the number of people trying to find patrons that they can somehow entertain or otherwise endear themselves to rich folks to get money to survive. Think of it as finding a sugar daddy, but usually without the sex. As automation takes over more sectors of the job market, these patron-hunting people will swell in numbers, and there will be enormous competition. Most men will find no one, and will starve. Women will have to resort to de-facto prostitution, where "usually without the sex" will evolve into "usually with sexual favors".

Up to half the country - or more - will ultimately be living like this.

That is America's future, I have called it, your kids or grandkids will be living it. Enjoy.
Click to expand...

Scare mongering load of crap.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knocker-up
A knocker-up, sometimes known as a knocker-upper, was a profession[1] in Britain and Ireland that started during and lasted well into the Industrial Revolution, when alarm clocks were neither cheap nor reliable, and to as late as the beginning of the 1950s. A knocker-up's job was to rouse sleeping people so they could get to work on time.[2][3]
Click to expand...

Poor people made unemployed by the invention of the alarm clock. Which only goes to show how long this lame bit of scare mongering has been going on.
 
^ Maybe the truth lies somewhere between these two extremes? As in, there are going to be a lot of careers created and a lot of careers destroyed.
 
soylentgreen said:
Scare mongering load of crap.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knocker-up


Poor people made unemployed by the invention of the alarm clock. Which only goes to show how long this lame bit of scare mongering has been going on.
Click to expand...
LOL. You are an innovator in the field of utter and absolute cluelessness. People like you will be caught entirely unprepared, because you fail to comprehend what's going on: in the 19th and 20th century, machines augmented people. Now, automation is being used TO REPLACE PEOPLE ENTIRELY.

They're building factories and workplaces that are almost entirely people-free. This is unprecedented.

Chinese factory replaces 90% of humans with robots, production soars - TechRepublic
 
Yet tech has allowed her population to grow four fold in sixty years world wide, and mass tech-caused misery just has not happened.
 
JamesBY said:
Yet tech has allowed her population to grow four fold in sixty years world wide, and mass tech-caused misery just has not happened.
Click to expand...
Again, we've never had fully automated workplaces before. The past does not dictate the future.

Tell me, where are all the workers going to get jobs when you wipe out 900 of 1000 jobs and automate them? In TODAY'S tech, the point is to do more with fewer, or no people. You can literally have 1 person manage an entire automated factory, with a repair person who comes by now and then. Where do the other workers find jobs?

First up are all the paid drivers out there - taxi services + Uber/Lyft, and the truck drivers. 5 million minimum. Where are the jobs for these people? C'mon, someone tell me... where are the jobs?
 
Yet Zalatrix above posts comments that contradicts his statement that "The past does not dictate the future", yet he is saying the past's change in technology will affect the future.
 
JamesBY said:
Yet Zalatrix above posts comments that contradicts his statement that "The past does not dictate the future", yet he is saying the past's change in technology will affect the future.
Click to expand...
You can't read, can you? I explained this already to you. In the past, automation augmented workers' productivity. That does not dictate the future, or even the present, in which automation is ELIMINATING workers entirely.

What part of that sentence do you need help understanding?
 
Zalatix said:
LOL. You are an innovator in the field of utter and absolute cluelessness. People like you will be caught entirely unprepared, because you fail to comprehend what's going on: in the 19th and 20th century, machines augmented people. Now, automation is being used TO REPLACE PEOPLE ENTIRELY.

They're building factories and workplaces that are almost entirely people-free. This is unprecedented.

Chinese factory replaces 90% of humans with robots, production soars - TechRepublic
Click to expand...

Bull****. this is just another example of a luddite wet dream. new jobs are created just as fast as old ones disappear. It is nothing more than a shift in what sort of work is available.
 
Crovax said:
Soylent green was a scaremongering movie about overpopulation
Click to expand...

Yes i am well aware of that. It was also a nutritious food developed that demonstrates that there will always be a use for humans.
 
Zalatix said:
Again, we've never had fully automated workplaces before. The past does not dictate the future.

Tell me, where are all the workers going to get jobs when you wipe out 900 of 1000 jobs and automate them? In TODAY'S tech, the point is to do more with fewer, or no people. You can literally have 1 person manage an entire automated factory, with a repair person who comes by now and then. Where do the other workers find jobs?

First up are all the paid drivers out there - taxi services + Uber/Lyft, and the truck drivers. 5 million minimum. Where are the jobs for these people? C'mon, someone tell me... where are the jobs?
Click to expand...

Right! Because factory work or driving cars is the only type of work available.
 
I want to see the day that automation clears trees, tests for soil compaction, grades a lot, lays a foundation, and frames a house.

Or better yet, hang a 140 sheets of rock.
 
Zalatix said:
What Will Happen When All the Jobs Are Gone?

No need to read anymore of this - it's simple. As automation continues to shrink the job market, people will starve.

For most people, no job means no money, no money means no food. There will never be any basic guaranteed income because the wealthy will not allow it. There is no Star Trek future for humanity. Here's what will actually happen.

This is going to start when driverless trucks hit the road and 5 million drivers are put out of work in the near future. 100,000 new tech job openings will come from this. 4.9 million will have no work, and will starve and go homeless. The welfare system will be put under enormous strain, and in response there will be severe cuts. Conservative states will probably fight to abolish welfare, leaving these throngs of unemployed with no means to feed themselves.

Most of them will start scrambling to survive via GoFundMe. You'll see a large growth in the number of people trying to find patrons that they can somehow entertain or otherwise endear themselves to rich folks to get money to survive. Think of it as finding a sugar daddy, but usually without the sex. As automation takes over more sectors of the job market, these patron-hunting people will swell in numbers, and there will be enormous competition. Most men will find no one, and will starve. Women will have to resort to de-facto prostitution, where "usually without the sex" will evolve into "usually with sexual favors".

Up to half the country - or more - will ultimately be living like this.

That is America's future, I have called it, your kids or grandkids will be living it. Enjoy.
Click to expand...

The economic system can and will be totally transformed to deal with the new reality, as it must be.

The harder problems to solve are the spiritual ones.

We need the work to stay healthy.

We give it to machines .

STUPID
 
Hawkeye10 said:
The economic system can and will be totally transformed to deal with the new reality, as it must be.

The harder problems to solve are the spiritual ones.

We need the work to stay healthy.

We give it to machines .

STUPID
Click to expand...

On the other hand if we did not have those machines slavery would still be in existence. One tractor and driver can do the work of a hundred slaves. It would never be economcal to pay a hundred workers a livable wage and still get in a crop that people can affford to buy.
 
soylentgreen said:
On the other hand if we did not have those machines slavery would still be in existence. One tractor and driver can do the work of a hundred slaves. It would never be economcal to pay a hundred workers a livable wage and still get in a crop that people can affford to buy.
Click to expand...

If we moderns have not learned that more is often not better by now one wonders what it is going to take.

And we most certainly have not.

It is a failure of the WEST.

A BIG ONE
 
The problem isn't automation.

The problem is our trade deficit.

I am amazed that people ignorantly blame the wrong issues.
 
Zalatix said:
http://nymag.com/scienceofus/2015/06/what-will-happen-when-all-the-jobs-are-gone.html

No need to read anymore of this - it's simple. As automation continues to shrink the job market, people will starve.

For most people, no job means no money, no money means no food. There will never be any basic guaranteed income because the wealthy will not allow it. There is no Star Trek future for humanity. Here's what will actually happen.

This is going to start when driverless trucks hit the road and 5 million drivers are put out of work in the near future. 100,000 new tech job openings will come from this. 4.9 million will have no work, and will starve and go homeless. The welfare system will be put under enormous strain, and in response there will be severe cuts. Conservative states will probably fight to abolish welfare, leaving these throngs of unemployed with no means to feed themselves.

Most of them will start scrambling to survive via GoFundMe. You'll see a large growth in the number of people trying to find patrons that they can somehow entertain or otherwise endear themselves to rich folks to get money to survive. Think of it as finding a sugar daddy, but usually without the sex. As automation takes over more sectors of the job market, these patron-hunting people will swell in numbers, and there will be enormous competition. Most men will find no one, and will starve. Women will have to resort to de-facto prostitution, where "usually without the sex" will evolve into "usually with sexual favors".

Up to half the country - or more - will ultimately be living like this.

That is America's future, I have called it, your kids or grandkids will be living it. Enjoy.
Click to expand...
The question being raised is a fair to ask. I dont think its as bleak as its being made out to be but it is something tomorrows workers need to be preparing for.

My intial reaction is that there will be a massive expansion of workers in the R&D fields.

Sent from my SM-T800 using Tapatalk
 
RetiredUSN said:
I want to see the day that automation clears trees, tests for soil compaction, grades a lot, lays a foundation, and frames a house.

Or better yet, hang a 140 sheets of rock.
Click to expand...

Its coming and just about here. They are already laying brick and pouring concrete.
 
Zalatix said:
http://nymag.com/scienceofus/2015/06/what-will-happen-when-all-the-jobs-are-gone.html

No need to read anymore of this - it's simple. As automation continues to shrink the job market, people will starve.

For most people, no job means no money, no money means no food. There will never be any basic guaranteed income because the wealthy will not allow it. There is no Star Trek future for humanity. Here's what will actually happen.

This is going to start when driverless trucks hit the road and 5 million drivers are put out of work in the near future. 100,000 new tech job openings will come from this. 4.9 million will have no work, and will starve and go homeless. The welfare system will be put under enormous strain, and in response there will be severe cuts. Conservative states will probably fight to abolish welfare, leaving these throngs of unemployed with no means to feed themselves.

Most of them will start scrambling to survive via GoFundMe. You'll see a large growth in the number of people trying to find patrons that they can somehow entertain or otherwise endear themselves to rich folks to get money to survive. Think of it as finding a sugar daddy, but usually without the sex. As automation takes over more sectors of the job market, these patron-hunting people will swell in numbers, and there will be enormous competition. Most men will find no one, and will starve. Women will have to resort to de-facto prostitution, where "usually without the sex" will evolve into "usually with sexual favors".

Up to half the country - or more - will ultimately be living like this.

That is America's future, I have called it, your kids or grandkids will be living it. Enjoy.
Click to expand...

Please tell us how this works exactly. If there are no jobs, and everything is manufactured via automation, then who buys these products? This is nothing more than the latest bit of leftist propaganda and scaremongering, to push this nonsensical minimum income bull****.
 
PirateMk1 said:
Its coming and just about here. They are already laying brick and pouring concrete.
Click to expand...

That's great. Now, if they can learn to call in sick, they'll be onto something. Every real mason or concrete worker knows how to do that. And another thing, machines don't get to have nick names, like "Possum", or "Gator". That's a personality based thing, and machines don't have a personality, and are thus no fun. And another thing, machines don't have a 20 year old 4' level that's been dropped thousands of times, and the owner proudly claims is still perfect, which is a joke. Somehow they manage to lay brick well anyway. Can machines drink a ton of beer every evening and show up for work the next day? No. They ain't got nuthin. And another thing...
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom