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Slingshot Bob said:
The way I understand it, bigotry is defined as "having no tolerance for the beliefs and customs of others"
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Bigotry is inherently supremacist. One can have no tolerance for various beliefs and customs and not be a bigot. The former condemns a people, the latter an object. One cannot be a bigot against an object, beliefs and customs are objects.
 
countryboy said:
This has been thoroughly debunked. Nice try.
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Someone debunked history? Not possible. History exists and it shows how Nixon got the Southern Dixiecrats to switch parties. Within 2 elections the "soild south" became red. Since then, Republicans have pandered to the southern segregationists and anti-abortion Baptists. It finally bit them on the ass with Trump.

When asked if whites are the superior race, 16 percent of Trump supporters said yes—not a huge number, but far exceeding the 10 percent of Republican voters overall who take this stand. (Among Carson backers, it’s 1 percent yes, and 99 percent no). To put this another way, a Trump supporter in South Carolina is 16 times more likely to say whites are the superior race than a Ben Carson supporter, and is more than 60 percent more likely than the average Republican to hold that view.

Trump’s popularity with voters who are racist and nostalgic for the Confederacy mark him out not as a “cancer,” but as someone who is cagily updating a script created by the conservative movement and shaped by Republican candidates for decades now. Instead of relying on old, worn-out dog whistles about welfare queens and states’ rights, Trump has updated racial paranoia for the 21st century with his talk about banning Muslims and deporting immigrants and building walls that Mexico will pay for.
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https://newrepublic.com/article/130039/southern-strategy-made-donald-trump-possible
 
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iguanaman said:
Read the facts from my link...
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Sorry, all the racist Dems but one stayed Dem. No amount of revisionist history will change that.
 
rocket88 said:
Not the Southern Democrats, but Civil Rights didn't do so hot with Southern Republicans either.

History, being based on fact, will show you that they were signed into law by a Democrat.
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The CRA passed almost solely due to Republicans.
 
Fishking said:
The CRA passed almost solely due to Republicans.
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. . . and what has happened since 1965?

Southern states now controlled by Republicans

Southern states have poorer education results

Southern states have lower economic status

Southern states have higher teen pregnancy rates

Southern states cited more frequently for violating the rights of citizens

Yep, Southern Republicans are just such good Americans.
 
Roadvirus said:
Just a theory, but i think it relates to how Democrats appear when engaging in violence.

Back then, they appeared in white robes and weird pointy hats.
Today, they appear in black clothes and a variety of face coverings.

As i said: just a theory
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Your theory seems to be rather lacking in a number of factors.
 
Fishking said:
The CRA passed almost solely due to Republicans.
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So LBJ was a Republican in your mind? He was instrumental in getting it passed. And Nixon never made that deal with Strom Thurmond to get the dixiecrats to switch parties if the GOP quit it's civil rights side? What do you suppose turned the South red in only 2 elections? Don't tell me all the racists didn't vote for Reagan because of his "Welfare Queen speel either. The GOP has been pandering and dog whistling to racists for decades. Now the chickens have come home to roost.
 
ecofarm said:
Bigotry is inherently supremacist. One can have no tolerance for various beliefs and customs and not be a bigot. The former condemns a people, the latter an object. One cannot be a bigot against an object, beliefs and customs are objects.
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I was a bit off the mark, here is what the dictionary sayshttps://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bigot
 
There's nothing wrong with people choosing to associate/not associate with others for whatever reason. A problem only arises when someone tries to violate another's property just because they don't like them. Unfortunately government forces certain groups to associate with each other (businesses etc) so that kinda sucks...
 
iguanaman said:
So LBJ was a Republican in your mind? He was instrumental in getting it passed. And Nixon never made that deal with Strom Thurmond to get the dixiecrats to switch parties if the GOP quit it's civil rights side? What do you suppose turned the South red in only 2 elections? Don't tell me all the racists didn't vote for Reagan because of his "Welfare Queen speel either. The GOP has been pandering and dog whistling to racists for decades. Now the chickens have come home to roost.
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Sorry, you might want to check the congressional voting records, you know....the legislative branch that actually makes laws? Also, all the Dems stayed Dem except for one.
 
Somerville said:
. . . and what has happened since 1965?

Southern states now controlled by Republicans

Southern states have poorer education results

Southern states have lower economic status

Southern states have higher teen pregnancy rates

Southern states cited more frequently for violating the rights of citizens

Yep, Southern Republicans are just such good Americans.
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Southern states have always had lower income and education. Nothing about 1965 that changed that one way or the other.
 
Fishking said:
Southern states have always had lower income and education. Nothing about 1965 that changed that one way or the other.
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In other words, Southern Republicans are no better than those horrible Dems who controlled the South until the Civil Rights Acts were passed. I thought Republicans were all for raising up people by encouraging them to work harder. Unfortunately, Republican/conservative economic philosophies and governance generally fails to improve the lot of the vast majority, no matter how hard those peasants work.
 
Fishking said:
The CRA passed almost solely due to Republicans.
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It passed because northern politicians voted for it. The vote was very sectionalized. Northerners - both Democrat and Republican - voted for it. Southerners - again both Den and Rep - voted against it. You need to think beyond your party's propaganda. While it certainly needed the Republican votes for it, there wouldn't even be such a thing without a Democratic controlled Congress voting for it and a Democratic President signing it.
 
Somerville said:
In other words, Southern Republicans are no better than those horrible Dems who controlled the South until the Civil Rights Acts were passed. I thought Republicans were all for raising up people by encouraging them to work harder. Unfortunately, Republican/conservative economic philosophies and governance generally fails to improve the lot of the vast majority, no matter how hard those peasants work.
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The same Democrats continued to control the South long after the Civil Rights Act.
 
Fishking said:
Southern states have always had lower income and education. Nothing about 1965 that changed that one way or the other.
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That is true. Are you saying that Republicans haven't improved the South?
 
rocket88 said:
It passed because northern politicians voted for it. The vote was very sectionalized. Northerners - both Democrat and Republican - voted for it. Southerners - again both Den and Rep - voted against it. You need to think beyond your party's propaganda. While it certainly needed the Republican votes for it, there wouldn't even be such a thing without a Democratic controlled Congress voting for it and a Democratic President signing it.
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There were hardly any Southern Republicans in Congress to vote. There was 1 in the Senate and 8 in the House. The South made up very little of the Republican caucus.
 
The OP is incredibly inaccurate and I dont understand how 5th grade history is so complicated.....Political history lesson time. (once again). There is nothing to debunk the political ideology of both parties did in fact SWITCH.. PLEASE READ CAREFULLY and learn something....

The republicans were a new party in Lincoln's day. They were a conglomeration of various northern former Whig constituencies and people that wanted to develop the west that coalesced due to issues surrounding slavery. Generally speaking, they retained a lot of the older Whig economic views that the government should be involved in the economy. It should promote policies that promote growth, they thought. That meant financing infrastructure, education, protecting native industries, policies that promoted commerce and rapid job growth. They did believe in more federal involvement in all these things, and it cost money. They were the forward looking, innovative party, and also vaguely speaking they were the "big government" party and had policies that promoted big banks, big industry, big business.

The democrats were the more tradition-minded party. They were also the party focused on keeping taxes low and when it came to promoting commerce, etc... wanted to leave it to the states. Generally speaking, they were the "states' rights" party.

The shift started after the Civil War and continued for over 135 years. After the civil war, the republicans started to split into factions generally divided between how deep "in bed" you got with big business, so they developed a conservative business wing often at odds with with the more progressive wing. The democrats pretty much stayed the states rights party and were marginalized at the national level for several decades.

Key points in the shift to the structure we know today:

1896: William Jennings Bryan incorporates the Populist Party vote, giving the democrats a sizable left wing on economics that it didn't have before.

1912: Theodore Roosevelt breaks from the republicans and runs as the candidate of the Progressive Party - this makes the republican progressive wing - once a third to a half of the republican coalition, much less committed to the party going forward and they never really reconcile. Republican leadership comes more and more from its conservative wing after that.

1932-45: Franklin Roosevelt essentially adopts most of the old Progressive platform and pretty much incorporates that whole vote into his Democratic coalition. This puts the party on a collision course when it comes to social policy. Roosevelt issued Executive Order 8802, which created the Fair Employment Practice Committee (FEPC). It was the most important federal move in support of the rights of African-Americans. FDR, with the help of Eleanor, prohibited the discrimination by any government agency, including the armed forces and it immediately created better paying jobs for African Americans. However, FDR's EO was not law so another Democrat, JFK, created EO 10925 which is better known as affirmative action which made it law.

1964: Lyndon Johnson essentially divorces the longest marriage the democratic party had: the one with southern whites. By making Civil Rights part of the Democratic platform with the 1964 Civil Rights Act and the 1965 Voting Rights Act. The republicans lose basically all of what's left of their black constituencies - which had been a significant part of their remaining progressive vote in northern urban areas. The democrats start to hemorrhage southern whites rapidly - you see George Wallace run for president in 1968.
Then Carter comes along and tries close the wealth gap between whites and people of color. He developed initiatives to give minority-owned businesses a boost. “These programs focused primarily on increasing the government’s procurement of goods and services from minority business, as well as through requirements for procurement by federal contractors from minority firms, the CRDTCA. The government also maintained a program to help minority-owned exporters gain footholds in foreign markets.

Even in the late 1980's Reagan did not support many civil rights bills throughout the years. He opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965 signed into law by President Lyndon B. Johnson. ... In 1988 he vetoed the Civil Rights Restoration Act, but his veto was overridden by Congress.
2000: The process is 98% complete. By this time liberals are in the democrats and conservatives in the republicans for the most part.

This isn't about Democrat and Republican...>This is about Progressive (liberal) and Conservative...The KKK was in fact created and run by conservatives.....
 
iguanaman said:
The South was solidly Democratic until the 1960's as southerners could not yet stomach voting for the party of Lincoln. Yes it seems foolish to hold a grudge so long but they are southerners so....It was not until the Civil Rights act and Nixon's "southern strategy" that the GOP gained majorities in the South when the "Dixiecrats" switched parties.
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It's puzzling how commonplace it is for Righties, especially from the South, not to know that the legacy of the KKK belongs to them, not to liberal Democrats.
 
Fishking said:
Only one single racist KKK Congressman changed to the Republican party the entire time and the CRA was passed by almost all Republicans. That seems like a horrible strategy to get the racist vote. This lesson in reality was pro bono.
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That's a lie. Northern Democrats voted overwhelmingly for the CRA.

House Dems from the 39 states that weren't part of the confederacy were 145-9 for; Senate Dems from those states were 45-1 for. More Democrats voted for the CRA than Republicans.
 
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Dittohead not! said:
The cartoon is accurate, too, until the addition of the term "Democrats."
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Those KKK members in that picture are democrat voters. Those ANTIFA members in that picture are democrat voters. SO I don't see how its not accurate. Let me guess you buy into the lib-tard myth that liberals/leftists can't be racists? The late 19th century and early 20th century progressives were racist.
 
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