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Left's Moral Commitment Vs Right's Partisanship

calamity said:
You failed to address the topic of the thread, which is: The Left showed more moral integrity than the Right by not voting for the lesser of the two evil candidates. The Right, OTOH, knowingly voted for a crook, a lout and man of low moral integrity.
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This is hilarious.

You are holding up Hillary as the opposite of "a crook, a lout and man of low moral integrity"?

I suppose that biologically, she is not a man, but the rest seem like resume points for her.
 
calamity said:
Trump received millions of votes from people who would not allow him to be alone five minutes with their wife or children. How could they do that?
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Trump is a very moral and very giving, generous person.

Hillary is, on the other hand, a shrill partisan who would sell her reputation as a feminist for the chance to ride her husband's coattails into the oval office.

I'm having trouble understanding the motivation and the justification of your attempt to canonize this crook.
 
calamity said:
Hillary did not receive many votes from people who did not like or trust her, even though she had a D behind her name. Trump, OTOH, received millions of votes from people who did not trust or like him only because he had an R behind his name.
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Right...

Your delusion is showing.
 
calamity said:
This could become a good thread, if people stick to discussing the topic.

Why did Trump's moral failings not prevent you from voting for him? I did not vote for Hillary because of her moral failings. Why did you not do the same re: Trump? Why?
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I voted for Trump because the two parties we have to choose from are peopled by morally bankrupt, thieving, snakes who would sell their reputations, daughters and souls for re-election.

You know. People like Hillary Clinton.
 
calamity said:
You're still missing the point of the thread. Smh

Thread: Millions of people on the Left did not vote for Hillary due to her moral failings despite the D after her name. Millions of people on the Right did vote for Trump despite his moral failings only because he had and R after his name.

Why?
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Is it your assertion, then, that Hillary did not receive millions of votes simply because she is a Democrat?
 
calamity said:
Hillary did not receive many votes from people who did not like or trust her, even though she had a D behind her name. Trump, OTOH, received millions of votes from people who did not trust or like him only because he had an R behind his name.
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Please link to support your claim.
 
humbolt said:
Who knew we had so many morally bankrupt people in the country?
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Greetings, humbolt. :2wave:

Could it be that those living in California, both legal and those illegals living in sanctuary cities, using one example, feared the possible cessation of the government handouts they are receiving, and assumed Hillary would be their best bet for their continuance? I don't know, but with our debt of $21 trillion dollars, the handouts cannot continue indefinitely, no matter who is in office, since our debt now exceeds total GDP. With more than half of working households earning less than $27,000 per year, where's the money going to come from? The interest on our debt has to be paid first, and it is projected to be over $240 billion this year with no additional debt added!

We won't let people starve, so who is going to be the magician with the solution to this problem, since I believe we're heading into headwinds we can't easily handle! :wow:


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calamity said:
This discussion deserved its own thread. It does not judge those who voted HRC or DJT if they truly liked their candidate. It involves those who voted for them while holding their nose, knowing full well that the candidate did not represent their own personal moral values or standards of decency.

Not voting for Hillary even though she represented the lesser evil was mortally the right thing to do. Voting for Trump because he had an R behind his name was not.
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I see your premise as just another attempt to have a warm fuzzy feeling for the election lose. The moral high ground stance is interesting, I haven’t heard that one before.

Let me point out a few of the holes in this leaky bucket of fail. By excepting your argument it seems you could be suggesting that the 65 million that did vote for HRC are immoral. And how about the folks that voted for Trump, the just not Hilary group, wouldn’t they stand on a higher moral plain than the sit out crew on the left?

In my opinion those that did sit out on the (D) side thought she had it sown up, so they win if she got elected and if she screwed up in office they could pronounce, it wasn’t me that elected her. Trump actually winning never made it into there thinking process, hence, all the triggered Democrats and excuse grasping.

So if anything, the sit out crew on the (D) side held the lowest ground and were just hoping to have their cake and eat it too. Personally, I don’t have one person in my life that voted for Trump thinking he would make a great president, he’s a buffoon and often a complete idiot but he isn’t even in HRC’s league, she is as corrupt and truly evil as they come. If one is honest you would have to admit that HRC epitomizes everything that is ugly, corrupt and just flat out wrong with todays politicians. I truly believe that Trump was the best choice, the lessor of two evils, well, one buffoon or one truly evil person.
 
If you look at the election results of the past 20 years, it tells a pretty striking story.

2016
Trump 63m
Hillary 65.8m

2012
Romney 61m
Obama 65.9m

2008
McCain 60m
Obama 69m

2004
Bush 62m
Kerry 59m

2000
Bush 50m
Gore 51m

Trump received more votes than any Republican in history.

Hillary received less votes than Obama in a routine 2012 election.

The left is growing, the right is shrinking. Which makes these numbers all the more incredible. When the left really wants to get out and vote as they did in 2008 they elected Obama in a landslide 70m votes. Something similar should have happened with Hillary being that she would have been the first female president and Trump is such a vile nasty beast. Yet it did not happen, because much of the left was disgusted with Hillary and chose not to vote for her. In contrast, Trump took home more votes than any Republican has ever seen. The deplorable base enthusiastically voted this scum into office and they are still backing him to this day.

This perfectly illustrates the difference between the left and the right.
 
calamity said:
You failed to address the topic of the thread, which is: The Left showed more moral integrity than the Right by not voting for the lesser of the two evil candidates. The Right, OTOH, knowingly voted for a crook, a lout and man of low moral integrity.
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I didn't vote for Trump but, if I had, I would have been making the morally right choice. Crooked Hillary was a dirt bag. The left and you are full of themselves for claiming the moral high ground. Maybe if Hillary had campaigned positively instead of taking the moral low ground, she would have won. Her campaign was all about constantly being negative against Trump. So much so that she completely forgot to tell Americans what she wanted. I loved the commercial she ran over and over and over again showing every bad word Trump had ever spoken, asking voters if that's what we want our children to hear - but apparently she was fine with our children hearing all of those bad words on her commercial.
 
calamity said:
What is not ridiculous is discussing the fact that millions of people on the Right voted for Trump only because he had an R behind his name, despite his many moral failings. Hillary, otoh, did not receive many such votes from committed Leftists or people with moral fiber.
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That is an opinion I don't share.
 
humbolt said:
The political left is a moibus strip. OTOH, how is it possible to be partisan without an alternative?
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We saw that in Nazi Germany and in the Soviet Union where there was only a single party. I think it is probably best to have no parties or many.
 
woodsman said:
I see your premise as just another attempt to have a warm fuzzy feeling for the election lose. The moral high ground stance is interesting, I haven’t heard that one before.

Let me point out a few of the holes in this leaky bucket of fail. By excepting your argument it seems you could be suggesting that the 65 million that did vote for HRC are immoral. And how about the folks that voted for Trump, the just not Hilary group, wouldn’t they stand on a higher moral plain than the sit out crew on the left?

In my opinion those that did sit out on the (D) side thought she had it sown up, so they win if she got elected and if she screwed up in office they could pronounce, it wasn’t me that elected her. Trump actually winning never made it into there thinking process, hence, all the triggered Democrats and excuse grasping.

So if anything, the sit out crew on the (D) side held the lowest ground and were just hoping to have their cake and eat it too. Personally, I don’t have one person in my life that voted for Trump thinking he would make a great president, he’s a buffoon and often a complete idiot but he isn’t even in HRC’s league, she is as corrupt and truly evil as they come. If one is honest you would have to admit that HRC epitomizes everything that is ugly, corrupt and just flat out wrong with todays politicians. I truly believe that Trump was the best choice, the lessor of two evils, well, one buffoon or one truly evil person.
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Well, clearly my moral ground is far higher than anyone who voted for the racist Donald ***** Grabber Trump. Of that there is no doubt.
 
fmw said:
That is an opinion I don't share.
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It's simple. A Trump voter either supports and condones Trump's actions, words and disgusting nature or they ignored it. Neither are traits to be proud of.
 
calamity said:
Well, clearly my moral ground is far higher than anyone who voted for the racist Donald ***** Grabber Trump. Of that there is no doubt.
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Sorry bud, but who you vote for doesn't define your moral compass. Especially considering that this past election was between a turd sandwich and a giant douche. Here's a surprise for you; being a good person and being a **** person isn't defined by party lines.
 
CMPancake said:
Sorry bud, but who you vote for doesn't define your moral compass. Especially considering that this past election was between a turd sandwich and a giant douche. Here's a surprise for you; being a good person and being a **** person isn't defined by party lines.
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Sorry but it does. If you vote for scum, you obviously are A-OK with scum. Trump is scum.

So, without question, the people who voted for Trump have no moral compass. THe same applies for Hillary. And, it appears more people on the Left than the Right chose not to vote for scum. Hence, the Left has a higher morality than the Right. :)
 
calamity said:
Well, clearly my moral ground is far higher than anyone who voted for the racist Donald ***** Grabber Trump. Of that there is no doubt.
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I clearly outlined that the sit outs on the (D) side have absolutely no moral ground. Actually they are the most cowardly and now the most triggered and vocal after the fact.
 
calamity said:
This discussion deserved its own thread. It does not judge those who voted HRC or DJT if they truly liked their candidate. It involves those who voted for them while holding their nose, knowing full well that the candidate did not represent their own personal moral values or standards of decency.

Not voting for Hillary even though she represented the lesser evil was mortally the right thing to do. Voting for Trump because he had an R behind his name was not.
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Why do you assert Clinton was the lesser evil?
 
woodsman said:
I clearly outlined that the sit outs on the (D) side have absolutely no moral ground. Actually they are the most cowardly and now the most triggered and vocal after the fact.
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On the contrary. If you voted for neither Trump nor Hillary you are pure as the driven snow.
 
You realize there are people who believe Hillary was a murder(Clinton murders), criminal (putting us secrets at risk), rape apologist (bill Clinton rare allegations) and openly committed pay for play (Clinton foundation allegations).

So I am sorry but as absolutely ridiculous you believe those conspiracy theories. You have with trump at worst a con-man or disagreeable sexist guy.

The morale choice in terms of the mass uninformed public of either affiliation favours not-Hillary rather than not-trump.
 
Conaeolos said:
You realize there are people who believe Hillary was a murder(Clinton murders), criminal (putting us secrets at risk), rape apologist (bill Clinton rare allegations) and openly committed pay for play (Clinton foundation allegations).

So I am sorry but as absolutely ridiculous you believe those conspiracy theories. You have with trump at worst a con-man or disagreeable sexist guy.

The morale choice in terms of the mass uninformed public of either affiliation favours not-Hillary rather than not-trump.
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He just pardoned a racist, pervert who tortured prisoners in his detention units. That's about as deplorable as someone can be.
 
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