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ANTIFA Cell in Philly : Our Enemies in Blue

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[FONT=&quot]An armed Antifa group is launching a new cell in Philadelphia, with support from the “alt-left” alternative media.[/FONT][FONT=&quot]The group currently hosts anti-police workshops called “Our Enemies in Blue.” The group draws inspiration from convicted murderers and calls for violence against the police, theft of goods, and armed insurrection.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Antifa websites like It’s Going Down, Sub.Media and Insurrection News have been promoting the group, which calls itself the [/FONT]Revolutionary Abolitionist Movement[FONT=&quot], calling on their readers to donate to a [/FONT]Fundrazr account[FONT=&quot] for the creation of the new cell.[/FONT]
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Armed Antifa Call For Open Revolution | The Daily Caller

Terrorist that need cleansing.
 
I scanned through RAM's about page and it seems like they're mostly concerned with the incarceration issue and how the penal system is motivated by profit. They're also concerned by the use of prisons as a tool strictly for punishment than rehabilitation, and as a tool for correcting social disorder rather than focusing on initial social cohesion issues. What's the problem, exactly?

That said, they detract from a completely reasonable social issue by going off the rails with their talk of "expropriating" private property. By leaving that part open to interpretation, they're not going to find too many fans with that one.

https://revolutionaryabolition.org/#
 
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Cardinal said:
I scanned through RAM's about page and it seems like they're mostly concerned with the incarceration issue and how the penal system is motivated by profit. They're also concerned by the use of prisons as a tool strictly for punishment than rehabilitation, and their use as a tool for correcting social disorder rather than focusing on initial social cohesion issues. What's the problem, exactly?

https://revolutionaryabolition.org/#
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I believe the threat of violence would be the problem. When reason fails, violence generally ensues, and threatening violence doesn't help reason's cause.
 
humbolt said:
I believe the threat of violence would be the problem. When reason fails, violence generally ensues, and threatening violence doesn't help reason's cause.
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What violence? Was that in the video? My browser isn't playing it for some reason.
 
Whoah! I was just finally able to play the video. Yikes.

I wonder what Antifa would have to say about RAM.
 
Cardinal said:
What violence? Was that in the video? My browser isn't playing it for some reason.
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Neither is mine, but this might be a tip off: "The group draws inspiration from convicted murderers and calls for violence against the police, theft of goods, and armed insurrection."

It's no different than some of the other nutty militias in my view. Once a group resorts to force of arms or threats of the same, bad things generally follow. We've seen many examples.
 
Cardinal said:
Whoah! I was just finally able to play the video. Yikes.

I wonder what Antifa would have to say about RAM.
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These guys are advocating the violent overthrow of the state eh? That can't be good.
 
humbolt said:
Neither is mine, but this might be a tip off: "The group draws inspiration from convicted murderers and calls for violence against the police, theft of goods, and armed insurrection."

It's no different than some of the other nutty militias in my view. Once a group resorts to force of arms or threats of the same, bad things generally follow. We've seen many examples.
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There's never any need to use the Daily Caller for information. The RAM site itself does use highly violent imagery, though. As I said, I wonder what Antifa has to say about this group.
 
Cardinal said:
...combined with a call to "expropriate" private property.



No, that's never ended well.
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Well there are lots of groups that call for revolution, but when's the last time it's ever been attempted? Civil War?

I think they'll get their little riots and find ways to use their violence for intimidation as they do now. But revolt? Nope. They wouldn't/couldn't stand a chance. They won't even get it off the ground, not by a long shot.
 
Ikari said:
Well there are lots of groups that call for revolution, but when's the last time it's ever been attempted? Civil War?

I think they'll get their little riots and find ways to use their violence for intimidation as they do now. But revolt? Nope. They wouldn't/couldn't stand a chance. They won't even get it off the ground, not by a long shot.
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I suspect that anyone maimed or even killed in the violence would find that distinction frivolous.
 
Jesse Booth said:
I suspect that anyone maimed or even killed in the violence would find that distinction frivolous.
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Maybe, likely. It's not to say that Antifa's violence should be left alone. For sure, go and arrest and punish them properly. I have no tolerance for their use of violence and intimidation to try to get their way.

But it will never be a revolt. They don't have the numbers, support, or even the will for it. They're a bunch of blowhard kids in black masks thinking themselves so awesome. And so long as they can remain like that, they'll sit around and light their fires and pat themselves on the back. But the minute they start seeing repercussion for their actions, they'll scatter like cockroaches.

They could never stand in open revolt, they'd be crushed so fast. They're just running their mouths like Kim Jung Un, pretending to be a big dog.
 
Ikari said:
Well there are lots of groups that call for revolution, but when's the last time it's ever been attempted? Civil War?

I think they'll get their little riots and find ways to use their violence for intimidation as they do now. But revolt? Nope. They wouldn't/couldn't stand a chance. They won't even get it off the ground, not by a long shot.
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There is very little difference between these and the neo-Nazi concern. And there is every reason to expect that this group (ideology) could get legs.
These aren't some anomaly in Antifa, these are a portion of every Antifa group in every state. Let's not be coy about it.

 
Ikari said:
Maybe, likely. It's not to say that Antifa's violence should be left alone. For sure, go and arrest and punish them properly. I have no tolerance for their use of violence and intimidation to try to get their way.

But it will never be a revolt. They don't have the numbers, support, or even the will for it. They're a bunch of blowhard kids in black masks thinking themselves so awesome. And so long as they can remain like that, they'll sit around and light their fires and pat themselves on the back. But the minute they start seeing repercussion for their actions, they'll scatter like cockroaches.

They could never stand in open revolt, they'd be crushed so fast. They're just running their mouths like Kim Jung Un, pretending to be a big dog.
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And if the trend of media coverage continues, they'll have harmed quite a few people before the hammer gets dropped on them.
 
Jesse Booth said:
And if the trend of media coverage continues, they'll have harmed quite a few people before the hammer gets dropped on them.
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The thing that makes me think these guys will grow is the ridicules state of our universities these days. The foolishness that goes on there is astonishing, and they are taken seriously in the media, as though it isn't just a bunch of pure liberal BS.
This is because the neo-Marxists have made huge inroads into the media and the universities. One could say to a great extent these have been owned.

So I wouldn't shrug this off too lightly.
 
Cable said:
There is very little difference between these and the neo-Nazi concern. And there is every reason to expect that this group (ideology) could get legs.
These aren't some anomaly in Antifa, these are a portion of every Antifa group in every state. Let's not be coy about it.

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It won't aggregate to the level to "get legs". I mean "every antifa group in every state" is still not enough people for a revolution. They'd have to stand against our Military for open revolt. That will take a lot of what they don't have. Leadership, planning, experience, numbers, etc. They will never be able to get everything they'd need to revolt up and running in any coherent manner. Shay's Rebellion will remain more successful than anything antifa can launch.

There will be violence for sure, this is a violent group. They are violent because no one gives a **** about them, and when you aren't being paid attention too sometimes the best way to get someone to look your way is to light something on fire. But that's more to the point, no one gives a **** about them, and actually the more violence they engage in the more people dislike them.

This isn't some intelligent, cohesive, driven campaign. It's at best some lose coalition of disenfranchised college students without enough homework. And while they can riot, and they can keep things on the community level, and engage in their violence without purpose; they will never, and The Rock means NEVER, amount to anything on the level necessary for revolt.
 
Jesse Booth said:
And if the trend of media coverage continues, they'll have harmed quite a few people before the hammer gets dropped on them.
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Likely, yes. But still, it's never going to be anything more then local, isolate riot. And yes, they'll cause some damage and injure some folk and then the State's will have no more of their BS and then they will be crushed. And never will they amount to anything close to open rebellion.
 
Ikari said:
Likely, yes. But still, it's never going to be anything more then local, isolate riot. And yes, they'll cause some damage and injure some folk and then the State's will have no more of their BS and then they will be crushed. And never will they amount to anything close to open rebellion.
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I have not disputed any of this. I just don't want to see even more people getting hurt. We've already had more than enough people hurt or killed in the "culture war" going on between the left and right's respective tumors.
 
Jesse Booth said:
I have not disputed any of this. I just don't want to see even more people getting hurt. We've already had more than enough people hurt or killed in the "culture war" going on between the left and right's respective tumors.
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I don't either. And I do think that we need to really get on those perpetuating the crimes. Acting as they do is not an expression of rights, but a threat to the free exercise of all of our rights. Because of this, I do believe they should be punished to the fullest extent of the law. Assembly and protest are fine, they are great, they are necessary for a Free Republic. But the senseless violence and intimidation antifa is engaged in is not.

But there will be more people hurt, there's just nothing to be done about that. We cannot immediately round up all of them, and on some level a free society IS a dangerous society. That doesn't mean we can do nothing, it just means when the violence breaks out is when we can send in the troops. But there will be a non-zero number of people hurt.
 
Cardinal said:
I scanned through RAM's about page and it seems like they're mostly concerned with the incarceration issue and how the penal system is motivated by profit. They're also concerned by the use of prisons as a tool strictly for punishment than rehabilitation, and as a tool for correcting social disorder rather than focusing on initial social cohesion issues. What's the problem, exactly?

That said, they detract from a completely reasonable social issue by going off the rails with their talk of "expropriating" private property. By leaving that part open to interpretation, they're not going to find too many fans with that one.

https://revolutionaryabolition.org/#
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The helping of criminals to escape isn't a good idea. We do need to rethink private prisons, however.
 
Ikari said:
Likely, yes. But still, it's never going to be anything more then local, isolate riot. And yes, they'll cause some damage and injure some folk and then the State's will have no more of their BS and then they will be crushed. And never will they amount to anything close to open rebellion.
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I agree with this. We will never see huge numbers of people join the ranks of Antifa because most people prefer a peaceful way of solving their problems.
 
Ikari said:
I don't either. And I do think that we need to really get on those perpetuating the crimes. Acting as they do is not an expression of rights, but a threat to the free exercise of all of our rights. Because of this, I do believe they should be punished to the fullest extent of the law. Assembly and protest are fine, they are great, they are necessary for a Free Republic. But the senseless violence and intimidation antifa is engaged in is not.

But there will be more people hurt, there's just nothing to be done about that. We cannot immediately round up all of them, and on some level a free society IS a dangerous society. That doesn't mean we can do nothing, it just means when the violence breaks out is when we can send in the troops. But there will be a non-zero number of people hurt.
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I never advocated any violence against them. Antifa has been getting very little coverage for the violence they've taken part in so far, and that has a lot to do with why they've been getting so brave recently.

I just want there to be more of focus on their side of the coin.
 
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